Cubs trade for Ian Stewart/Weathers pg. 5 (Colvin+DJ)

[treebird]

He's OPS'ed over .780 in 3 of the last 4 seasons.

 

In partial seasons, in an extreme hitter's park. And he didn't hit .260 in any of them and only reached a .340 OBP in one of them. I'm pretty comfortable predicting he won't reach 260/340/440. Maybe 240/320/440 if everything goes right.

 

According to Fangraphs, that would have been good for tied for 10th out of 14 qualified 3b.

 

He's entering his prime years. He's been just shallow of .260 and .340.

 

ehhh, he's in his prime years, not entering them. and it's usually not a great thing to spend a year of your prime putting up an ops+ less than your age.

[Post Count Padder]

Jesus, everyone (and by everyone I mean the only three people who are complaining) calm the eff down. It's been a month, let everything play out. Rome wasn't built in a day (I usually refrain from cliches but it needed to be said).

 

I like this deal. Colvin had no place here anymore. I like LeMahieu, but he doesn't walk and has no power. He could very well turn into Aaron Miles for all we know. This either has a chance to work out great for us, or it could backfire and all that happens is we're out a couple million and two minor pieces.

[RynoRules]

He's OPS'ed over .780 in 3 of the last 4 seasons.

 

In partial seasons, in an extreme hitter's park. And he didn't hit .260 in any of them and only reached a .340 OBP in one of them. I'm pretty comfortable predicting he won't reach 260/340/440. Maybe 240/320/440 if everything goes right.

 

According to Fangraphs, that would have been good for tied for 10th out of 14 qualified 3b.

 

He's entering his prime years. He's been just shallow of .260 and .340.

 

ehhh, he's in his prime years, not entering them. and it's usually not a great thing to spend a year of your prime putting up an ops+ less than your age.

 

He was hurt last year and the cost vs. potential value is on our side, IMO.

[jersey cubs fan]

Jesus, everyone (and by everyone I mean the only three people who are complaining) calm the eff down. It's been a month, let everything play out.

 

FWIW, this was the same commentary every time the Jim Hendry Cubs had a garbage offseason.

[Guest]

Here is Stewart's AAA numbers last year:

 

.275 .359 .591 .950

 

That sort of mirrors what he did in AAA in 2008. I can certainly see why Theo sees some potential with this guy. If they can get that to anywhere translate to the bigs, we have cheap talent at 3b that affords a big splash at 1b. If he doesn't work out, keeping Baker was probably a good idea.

 

Anyone have any thoughts on how likely Flaherty gets returned to the Cubs this year?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Here is Stewart's AAA numbers last year:

 

.275 .359 .591 .950

 

 

Can't wait for someone to chime in with the LaHair/Zuletta comps.

[Guest]

Here is Stewart's AAA numbers last year:

 

.275 .359 .591 .950

 

 

Can't wait for someone to chime in with the LaHair/Zuletta comps.

 

You mean when they were two of the top 5 prospects in baseball? Those times? Because I don't remember them.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Here is Stewart's AAA numbers last year:

 

.275 .359 .591 .950

 

That sort of mirrors what he did in AAA in 2008. I can certainly see why Theo sees some potential with this guy. If they can get that to anywhere translate to the bigs, we have cheap talent at 3b that affords a big splash at 1b. If he doesn't work out, keeping Baker was probably a good idea.

 

Colorado Springs is a 113 hitter's park, the second best hitting environment in all of minor league baseball.

 

So take his .950 OPS, knock off 13% for park, and then knock off the traditional 18% for moving from AAA to MLB. That becomes not that impressive.

Edited December 9, 2011 by Hairyducked Idiot

[Elrhino]

A Henry move would be filling 3rd base by giving Miggy Tejada 2/$10, or resigning Aramis to 4/65. The only time I recall Hendry taking a flier on trading for young, underperfoming, potentially undervalued talent was Michael Barrett. And of course Aramis, but that was more the Pirates making a salary dump.

 

That said, I'm pretty meh on Stewart.

Edited December 9, 2011 by Elrhino

[jersey cubs fan]

While the woe is me crowd has been ridiculous, people making comps to the Ortiz acquisition need to take off the rose colored glasses. Ortiz was a productive hitter, he just wasn't awesome yet. He already had patience and power and was opsing over 800 for his career as a 26-year old, plus he was coming off a career year, as you should at 26. He didn't have nearly the same K-issues as Stewart has, and he wasn't playing in Coors either. These are entirely different circumstances.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You mean when they were two of the top 5 prospects in baseball? Those times? Because I don't remember them.

 

Seven years ago, Baseball America sprouted a huge chubby for his mid-A ball season. They never had him close to that high before or after.

[dew1679666265]

Anyone have any thoughts on how likely Flaherty gets returned to the Cubs this year?

 

Sounds extremely unlikely.

[Backtobanks]

Jesus, everyone (and by everyone I mean the only three people who are complaining) calm the eff down. It's been a month, let everything play out.

 

FWIW, this was the same commentary every time the Jim Hendry Cubs had a garbage offseason.

 

Yeah, we would have had 10 pages of "donut" comments if Hendry came out with the same results after the winter meeting.

[jersey cubs fan]

Anyone have any thoughts on how likely Flaherty gets returned to the Cubs this year?

 

Sounds extremely unlikely.

 

Where'd he go, Baltimore? They'll keep anybody around for a full season.

[Guest]

Anyone have any thoughts on how likely Flaherty gets returned to the Cubs this year?

 

Sounds extremely unlikely.

 

Where'd he go, Baltimore? They'll keep anybody around for a full season.

 

MacPhail is gone now, isn't he?

[dew1679666265]

Where'd he go, Baltimore? They'll keep anybody around for a full season.

 

Yeah, he went to Baltimore. They have enough needs at the positions Flaherty plays that he's pretty likely to stick simply to be a utility player - even more likely if they feel he can be a cost-effective starter.

[jersey cubs fan]

Anyone have any thoughts on how likely Flaherty gets returned to the Cubs this year?

 

Sounds extremely unlikely.

 

Where'd he go, Baltimore? They'll keep anybody around for a full season.

 

MacPhail is gone now, isn't he?

 

Yeah, they have Theo's previous predecessor now, and a dozen garbage players.

[MSG T]

Anyone have any thoughts on how likely Flaherty gets returned to the Cubs this year?

 

Sounds extremely unlikely.

 

Where'd he go, Baltimore? They'll keep anybody around for a full season.

 

Soriano and $12 mil per for Flaherty?

 

 

 

OK, I'll get back to Stewart. He may never amount to anything, but he's got at least as good of a shot to get there as Colvin or LeMahieu. And I'm somewhat intrigued by Weathers. Not a great move, but not horrible.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Reading a couple of different sites, because it's hard to keep up.

 

Was it mentioned here that this deal was apparently agreed to on Tuesday, and Stewart flew to Chicago for a medical evaluation?

 

The Cubs' new ability to completely shut down leaks is both maddening and awesome.

[jersey cubs fan]

OK, I'll get back to Stewart. He may never amount to anything, but he's got at least as good of a shot to get there as Colvin or LeMahieu. And I'm somewhat intrigued by Weathers. Not a great move, but not horrible.

 

I sure as hell hope he's got a better shot than Colvin.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Anyone have any thoughts on how likely Flaherty gets returned to the Cubs this year?

 

Sounds extremely unlikely.

 

Where'd he go, Baltimore? They'll keep anybody around for a full season.

 

Soriano and $12 mil per for Flaherty?

 

 

 

OK, I'll get back to Stewart. He may never amount to anything, but he's got at least as good of a shot to get there as Colvin or LeMahieu. And I'm somewhat intrigued by Weathers. Not a great move, but not horrible.

 

Basically we got 2 higher ceiling players but are long shots whereas we gave up 2 guys who are better bets to be serviceable as a 4th outfielder and utility infielder.

[jersey cubs fan]

Reading a couple of different sites, because it's hard to keep up.

 

Was it mentioned here that this deal was apparently agreed to on Tuesday, and Stewart flew to Chicago for a medical evaluation?

 

The Cubs' new ability to completely shut down leaks is both maddening and awesome.

 

I wasn't aware of the days but when they talked about Chicago's medical staff checking him out in advance of the announcement, I figured it was much earlier than the announcement.

 

On the other hand, when Hoyer talked about the lack of movement at the meetings but feeling good about the process they were in on deals this wasn't what I was looking for.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Basically we got 2 higher ceiling players but are long shots whereas we gave up 2 guys who are better bets to be serviceable as a 4th outfielder and utility infielder.

 

Another way to put it is we took on the most expensive player in the trade and gave up the player who has had the best MLB season.

 

But the issue isn't the trade itself. The issue is installing Ian Stewart as a starting 3b.

Edited December 9, 2011 by Hairyducked Idiot

[SouthSideRyan]

I think it's a fair trade, but we gave up two young, high draft picks for an unproven guy. No way most GM's would do that if it was their system who drafted those players.

 

Didn't the Rockies just do that?

[jersey cubs fan]

Basically we got 2 higher ceiling players but are long shots whereas we gave up 2 guys who are better bets to be serviceable as a 4th outfielder and utility infielder.

 

Wait. Stewart isn't some A ball high risk high reward guy. He's already shown he can at least stick in MLB at least as a utility guy.