Cubs trade for Ian Stewart/Weathers pg. 5 (Colvin+DJ)

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yes who was what?

 

Yes, Stewart was worth negative WAR last season.

[XZero771679666304]

I see 3 major league seasons from ages 23-25 of between .780 and .805 OPS. I see decent defense at 3B. I'll take that if we can get it for as cheap as we got it.

 

If he's still the Ian Stewart of 2011, we'll see that pretty quickly and not much was lost.

 

 

The career IsoD of nearly 90 is also not too shabby.

 

I know Kyle does, but does everybody else realize how scarce offense is at 3B right now?

 

ARAM was still available and a full 4 WAR better than Stewart for probably a $10-11MM difference.

 

 

Is Stewart worth negative WAR or something, because ARam hasn't been worth 4 WAR since 2008...and in 2 of the last 3 years he has barely been over 1 WAR (yes, he was hurt for part of it). He's also 34 next year, so this trend isn't likely to reverse (and if it does, not for long), although he did have a significant uptick in 2011.

 

Yes, he was.

 

Yes who was what?

 

 

He had a negative WAR in 48 games last year, so he's a negative WAR player.

[Guest]

I remember hearing some stuff recently about how the power alleys are really advantageous to lefties at Wrigley... any truth to this?

 

how would they be any more advantageous to lefties?

 

 

Might be something about the frequency of the wind blowing out to RF or something, [expletive] if I know. That's why I asked.

[Guest]

 

 

He had a negative WAR in 48 games last year, so he's a negative WAR player.

 

 

Ah, yea. I knew I was walking on thin ice with my phrasing there.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Fun with arbitrary endpoints.

 

Total Home Runs in their last 56 MLB games:

 

Darwin Barney 1

Tony Campana 1

Ian Stewart 0

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I remember hearing some stuff recently about how the power alleys are really advantageous to lefties at Wrigley... any truth to this?

 

That probably doesn't apply to lefties who have gone 56 consecutive games without hitting a home run.

 

I love how you answered my question with more Stewart bashing. Touche.

 

I post a lot, but I try to stay on topic.

[Guest]

Fun with arbitrary endpoints.

 

Total Home Runs in their last 56 MLB games:

 

Darwin Barney 1

Tony Campana 1

Ian Stewart 0

 

Ok, OMC, still think he isn't trying to get a rise out of people?

 

How is a post like this constructive at all to the discussion?

[Guest]

Kyle also said he'd rather have given a 4 year deal for probably something like $12-15M/year to a guy who has been barely worth 1 WAR 2 of the last 3 seasons and is 33 years old.

 

Either he's dumb (he's not) or he's again exaggerating to piss people off.

 

EDIT - Nevermind, he was worth a total of .2 bWAR in those two seasons combined.

Edited December 9, 2011 by David

[hankp101]

So wait and see is the best alternative? Stewart's value isn't likely to go down any time soon. If a better alternative presents itself, internally or externally, Stewart can likely be moved for something similar to what he just cost, couldn't he? I just don't see much to get worked up over here.

 

Hoyer has publicly stated that Ian Stewart is our starting 3b. I don't expect him to go back on that.

.

 

He probably is our starting 3B, as of December 8. It's not like he said Stewart is the future of the franchise or anything.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Fun with arbitrary endpoints.

 

Total Home Runs in their last 56 MLB games:

 

Darwin Barney 1

Tony Campana 1

Ian Stewart 0

 

Ok, OMC, still think he isn't trying to get a rise out of people?

 

How is a post like this constructive at all to the discussion?

 

I'm having fun. Talking about baseball is supposed to be fun, remember?

 

We've hashed out every last ounce of real meat to the discussion. If we're just going to restate the same arguments, might as well change the format up a little bit each time.

 

Another one:

 

Three possible Ian Stewart's for 2012, assign to each the percentage chance you think they have of showing up:

 

The sub-replacement 2011 Ian Stewart: ____

The 1.5 WAR 2007-2010 Ian Stewart: ____

The Ian Stewart BA imagined seven years ago: ____

[Geech]

Fun with arbitrary endpoints.

 

Total Home Runs in their last 56 MLB games:

 

Darwin Barney 1

Tony Campana 1

Ian Stewart 0

 

Ok, OMC, still think he isn't trying to get a rise out of people?

 

How is a post like this constructive at all to the discussion?

 

People use stuff like that all the time. I remember when Soto sat on the bench and Hill was playing, a few people posted their batting stats over the previous 20 some days to try and justify it. Kyle's post is silly, but hardly outrageous. Quit acting so sensitive about it.

[OleMissCub]

I remember hearing some stuff recently about how the power alleys are really advantageous to lefties at Wrigley... any truth to this?

 

That probably doesn't apply to lefties who have gone 56 consecutive games without hitting a home run.

 

Yes, because Stewart clearly has no power.

 

Well, the wrist injury...he might just suck now. Or at least for a while.

 

He very well might. But generally speaking a lack of power is not one of the valid criticisms you can make of him.

 

Right. He used to have power, but he's slugging .390 in his last 500 AB's. That's worrisome.

[Guest]

Fun with arbitrary endpoints.

 

Total Home Runs in their last 56 MLB games:

 

Darwin Barney 1

Tony Campana 1

Ian Stewart 0

 

Ok, OMC, still think he isn't trying to get a rise out of people?

 

How is a post like this constructive at all to the discussion?

 

People use stuff like that all the time. I remember when Soto sat on the bench and Hill was playing, a few people posted their batting stats over the previous 20 some days to try and justify it. Kyle's post is silly, but hardly outrageous. Quit acting so sensitive about it.

 

I'm not sensitive at all about it. It's just clear OMC isn't around enough to be aware of what is going on here and came in complaining about everyone ragging on Kyle like there's some board edict not to criticize management.

Edited December 9, 2011 by David

[OleMissCub]

Fun with arbitrary endpoints.

 

Total Home Runs in their last 56 MLB games:

 

Darwin Barney 1

Tony Campana 1

Ian Stewart 0

 

Ok, OMC, still think he isn't trying to get a rise out of people?

 

How is a post like this constructive at all to the discussion?

 

+1 for David

[Guest]

Fun with arbitrary endpoints.

 

Total Home Runs in their last 56 MLB games:

 

Darwin Barney 1

Tony Campana 1

Ian Stewart 0

 

Ok, OMC, still think he isn't trying to get a rise out of people?

 

How is a post like this constructive at all to the discussion?

 

People use stuff like that all the time. I remember when Soto sat on the bench and Hill was playing, a few people posted their batting stats over the previous 20 some days to try and justify it. Kyle's post is silly, but hardly outrageous. Quit acting so sensitive about it.

 

The 1st time adds perspective. The 15th time is tiresome and condescending.

[Guest]

 

Right. He used to have power, but he's slugging .390 in his last 500 AB's. That's worrisome.

 

If that weren't the case, we wouldn't have gotten him for a bunch of crap.

 

The 2011 is why we were able to buy low. The fact that there's at least a reasonable explanation (the injury) for 2011 which can plausibly be reversed is why there's at least a glimmer of hope here.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The 1st time adds perspective. The 15th time is tiresome and condescending.

 

If you want to put a limit on how many times a point of view can be brought up in a thread, I'll abide by it, though I hope that it would be equally enforced across all points of view.

 

Until then, what the heck else are we supposed to talk about?

[Guest]

The 1st time adds perspective. The 15th time is tiresome and condescending.

 

If you want to put a limit on how many times a point of view can be brought up in a thread, I'll abide by it, though I hope that it would be equally enforced across all points of view.

 

Until then, what the heck else are we supposed to talk about?

 

What's your point of view being conveyed by that post? That Stewart projects to hit for as much power as Darwin Barney?

[OleMissCub]

It's just clear OMC isn't around enough to be aware of what is going on here

 

This really is the truth. I just looked it up and only 12% of my 27k posts are in the baseball discussion forums.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

What's your point of view being conveyed by that post? That Stewart projects to hit for as much power as Darwin Barney?

 

It's a fun way of point out that Ian Stewart is in the middle of a lengthy, extreme power drought, so maybe relying on his old power numbers might not be the best way to project him for the future.

[OleMissCub]

The fact that there's at least a reasonable explanation (the injury) for 2011 which can plausibly be reversed is why there's at least a glimmer of hope here.

 

He didn't hurt his wrist until August and hasn't played in the big leagues since. The injury doesn't explain why he sucked so hard last year at the big league level.

[Guest]

The fact that there's at least a reasonable explanation (the injury) for 2011 which can plausibly be reversed is why there's at least a glimmer of hope here.

 

He didn't hurt his wrist until August and hasn't played in the big leagues since. The injury doesn't explain why he sucked so hard last year at the big league level.

 

That's not how I've heard it reported.

 

Again, I hadn't even heard the injury mentioned until I heard the report of the trade on the radio. So, my bad. Also heard something about struggling with lower body injuries, too, FWIW.

[XZero771679666304]

The fact that there's at least a reasonable explanation (the injury) for 2011 which can plausibly be reversed is why there's at least a glimmer of hope here.

 

He didn't hurt his wrist until August and hasn't played in the big leagues since. The injury doesn't explain why he sucked so hard last year at the big league level.

 

Stewart fell out of favor after an awful 2011 season. He went homerless in 122 at-bats and struggled with knee, hamstring and wrist injuries.

 

 

Legitimate question: did he hurt his wrist in August, or is that just when it landed him on DL?

[Sammy Sofa]

Holy Christ; he's falling apart.

[OleMissCub]

 

Again, I hadn't even heard the injury mentioned until I heard the report of the trade on the radio. So, my bad. Also heard something about struggling with lower body injuries, too, FWIW.

 

Yeah he had something with his legs earlier in the year.