Cubs trade for Ian Stewart/Weathers pg. 5 (Colvin+DJ)

[Guest]

I see 3 major league seasons from ages 23-25 of between .780 and .805 OPS. I see decent defense at 3B. I'll take that if we can get it for as cheap as we got it.

 

If he's still the Ian Stewart of 2011, we'll see that pretty quickly and not much was lost.

 

 

The career IsoD of nearly 90 is also not too shabby.

 

I know Kyle does, but does everybody else realize how scarce offense is at 3B right now?

Edited December 9, 2011 by David

[OleMissCub]

You guys are attacking Kyle like he's a 9/11 truther or something. He's making (mostly) valid points.

 

I'm a bit indifferent on it because I'm trusting Theo & Co. here, but it's pretty ridiculous to bombard someone just because they are questioning a signing (AFTER ONLY FOUR MONTHS!1!11). He didn't insult your mother.

 

Your only contribution so far has been to try to stir up emotion. Why don't you just not participate at all?

 

incorrect, I posted his horrific game log from last year.

[Guest]

They aren't really attacking me. They are just arguing their points. Nobody's come along and made some pointless dismissive post yet or anything. We're all just talking baseball here, that's what we came here to do.

 

Stop trying to be diplomatic. A moderator pretty much accused you of trolling because you were making salient baseball points, which apparently you aren't allowed to do if they run contrary to our FO. It's bullisht.

 

 

Good grief that's not even close.

 

Kyle, by his own admission, likes his hyperbole, and has not been above taking arguments beyond what he believes is true as an extension of such hyperbole. Combined with a relentless repeating of that opinion at every turn, that can tread very close to the line of saying things to irritate as opposed to simply talking about the topic at hand. It has nothing to do with being "contrary to the FO" or making "salient points"(which a multitude of people have spent time arguing against).

[Hairyducked Idiot]

How about the two times he made things up and was called on it?

 

I didn't check his defensive splits and went with his career defensive totals. Splitting out 3b boosts him from "a little below average" to "average," depending on the metric you use.

 

I wrongly, lazily assumed that a guy getting 75% of his at-bats and against his favorable matchup and not starting full-time was being platooned.

 

Calling that "making things up" is pretty extreme, especially coming from the guy who said he "should be able" to produce at a level he's never produced at.

Edited December 9, 2011 by Hairyducked Idiot

[davell]

Heading into Theo's reign, our offseason needs were a 1B, 3B, OF help, and at least 2 SP. And to upgrade our minor league system by a large amount. There's a budget involved as well here. We have somewhere between 30 and 40 mill to do all of this. We spent a tad over 4 mill on a guy who's going to be just as good as the guy he replaced and it will be done at a third of the previous guy's cost. We certainly downgraded 3B. But it's definitely possible we'll get half of Aramis' WAR at about a fifth of his cost as well. Small market moves? Yessir. Absolutely. But now, there is more money to spend on 1B, SP, and the minors, if we want to. And considering what we have to replace at those spots, it's at least highly likely we're about to come out way ahead of where we were last year at those spots. We're trying to upgrade from Pena at 1B and Wells and a combo of Ortiz/Lopez/Davis/Coleman as far as pitching goes.this sets up very nicely for Theo to improve this team quite a bit the rest of this month and January.

[Sammy Sofa]

I know Kyle does, but does everybody else realize how scarce offense is at 3B right now?

 

Oh, definitely. I've been expecting 3B to be some kind of collection of hot garbage next year ever since it was clear Aramis wasn't coming back. I'm not faulting the FO for going after Stewart as a reclamation project given how barren the options are at 3B; I'm just not very optimistic about him.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

For those that hate the move, what is the superior alternative to some combination of Stewart/Baker/DeWitt that you'd prefer at 3B this year? None of the available options are that appetizing to me at the price for which they'd likely come. When viewed through that lense, it seems maybe Stewart is a stopgap with some upside. Maybe we get lucky. If we don't, we still have Baker and DeWitt in house to fall back on. Not an inspiring move, but I just don't see much more that could have been done.

 

If you absolutely rule out internal options, the superior move would be waiting as long as possible before settling for something from the scrapheap.

[OleMissCub]

 

Kyle, by his own admission, likes his hyperbole, and has not been above taking arguments beyond what he believes is true as an extension of such hyperbole. Combined with a relentless repeating of that opinion at every turn, that can tread very close to the line of saying things to irritate as opposed to simply talking about the topic at hand. It has nothing to do with being "contrary to the FO" or making "salient points"(which a multitude of people have spent time arguing against).

 

Well I don't stray into discussions of baseball too often so I really don't know Kyle's history of hyperbole or whatever. All I know is that Ian Stewart is pretty uninspiring these days.

[CUBZ99]

I see 3 major league seasons from ages 23-25 of between .780 and .805 OPS. I see decent defense at 3B. I'll take that if we can get it for as cheap as we got it.

 

If he's still the Ian Stewart of 2011, we'll see that pretty quickly and not much was lost.

 

 

The career IsoD of nearly 90 is also not too shabby.

 

I know Kyle does, but does everybody else realize how scarce offense is at 3B right now?

 

ARAM was still available and a full 4 WAR better than Stewart for probably a $10-11MM difference.

[El Duderino]

I see 3 major league seasons from ages 23-25 of between .780 and .805 OPS. I see decent defense at 3B. I'll take that if we can get it for as cheap as we got it.

 

If he's still the Ian Stewart of 2011, we'll see that pretty quickly and not much was lost.

 

 

The career IsoD of nearly 90 is also not too shabby.

 

I know Kyle does, but does everybody else realize how scarce offense is at 3B right now?

 

ARAM was still available and a full 4 WAR better than Stewart for probably a $10-11MM difference.

 

I think you mean like a 38 million dollar difference

[Guest]

I see 3 major league seasons from ages 23-25 of between .780 and .805 OPS. I see decent defense at 3B. I'll take that if we can get it for as cheap as we got it.

 

If he's still the Ian Stewart of 2011, we'll see that pretty quickly and not much was lost.

 

 

The career IsoD of nearly 90 is also not too shabby.

 

I know Kyle does, but does everybody else realize how scarce offense is at 3B right now?

 

ARAM was still available and a full 4 WAR better than Stewart for probably a $10-11MM difference.

 

Ramirez has 4 WAR the last two seasons combined, hasn't cracked a 4 WAR since 2008, turned down an option that would have paid him 13+ million more than Stewart, and most importantly, would have required a multi-year contract at 8 figures to a player who turns 34 this season(likely at the expense of another younger acquisition like Fielder/Darvish/Cespedes/etc).

[XZero771679666304]

I see 3 major league seasons from ages 23-25 of between .780 and .805 OPS. I see decent defense at 3B. I'll take that if we can get it for as cheap as we got it.

 

If he's still the Ian Stewart of 2011, we'll see that pretty quickly and not much was lost.

 

 

The career IsoD of nearly 90 is also not too shabby.

 

I know Kyle does, but does everybody else realize how scarce offense is at 3B right now?

 

ARAM was still available and a full 4 WAR better than Stewart for probably a $10-11MM difference.

 

Let's not forget the team picked up it's part of ARam's option. Bringing him back wasn't the issue, it's that Ramirez wanted more years than was prudent to give.

[Guest]

I see 3 major league seasons from ages 23-25 of between .780 and .805 OPS. I see decent defense at 3B. I'll take that if we can get it for as cheap as we got it.

 

If he's still the Ian Stewart of 2011, we'll see that pretty quickly and not much was lost.

 

 

The career IsoD of nearly 90 is also not too shabby.

 

I know Kyle does, but does everybody else realize how scarce offense is at 3B right now?

 

ARAM was still available and a full 4 WAR better than Stewart for probably a $10-11MM difference.

 

 

Is Stewart worth negative WAR or something, because ARam hasn't been worth 4 WAR since 2008...and in 2 of the last 3 years he has barely been over 1 WAR (yes, he was hurt for part of it). He's also 34 next year, so this trend isn't likely to reverse (and if it does, not for long), although he did have a significant uptick in 2011.

[Guest]

I remember hearing some stuff recently about how the power alleys are really advantageous to lefties at Wrigley... any truth to this?

[El Duderino]

I remember hearing some stuff recently about how the power alleys are really advantageous to lefties at Wrigley... any truth to this?

 

how would they be any more advantageous to lefties?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I remember hearing some stuff recently about how the power alleys are really advantageous to lefties at Wrigley... any truth to this?

 

That probably doesn't apply to lefties who have gone 56 consecutive games without hitting a home run.

[CUBZ99]

I see 3 major league seasons from ages 23-25 of between .780 and .805 OPS. I see decent defense at 3B. I'll take that if we can get it for as cheap as we got it.

 

If he's still the Ian Stewart of 2011, we'll see that pretty quickly and not much was lost.

 

 

The career IsoD of nearly 90 is also not too shabby.

 

I know Kyle does, but does everybody else realize how scarce offense is at 3B right now?

 

ARAM was still available and a full 4 WAR better than Stewart for probably a $10-11MM difference.

 

 

Is Stewart worth negative WAR or something, because ARam hasn't been worth 4 WAR since 2008...and in 2 of the last 3 years he has barely been over 1 WAR (yes, he was hurt for part of it). He's also 34 next year, so this trend isn't likely to reverse (and if it does, not for long), although he did have a significant uptick in 2011.

 

Yes, he was.

[hankp101]

For those that hate the move, what is the superior alternative to some combination of Stewart/Baker/DeWitt that you'd prefer at 3B this year? None of the available options are that appetizing to me at the price for which they'd likely come. When viewed through that lense, it seems maybe Stewart is a stopgap with some upside. Maybe we get lucky. If we don't, we still have Baker and DeWitt in house to fall back on. Not an inspiring move, but I just don't see much more that could have been done.

 

If you absolutely rule out internal options, the superior move would be waiting as long as possible before settling for something from the scrapheap.

 

So wait and see is the best alternative? Stewart's value isn't likely to go down any time soon. If a better alternative presents itself, internally or externally, Stewart can likely be moved for something similar to what he just cost, couldn't he? I just don't see much to get worked up over here.

[XZero771679666304]

I remember hearing some stuff recently about how the power alleys are really advantageous to lefties at Wrigley... any truth to this?

 

That probably doesn't apply to lefties who have gone 56 consecutive games without hitting a home run.

 

Yes, because Stewart clearly has no power.

[Sammy Sofa]

I remember hearing some stuff recently about how the power alleys are really advantageous to lefties at Wrigley... any truth to this?

 

That probably doesn't apply to lefties who have gone 56 consecutive games without hitting a home run.

 

Yes, because Stewart clearly has no power.

 

Well, the wrist injury...he might just suck now. Or at least for a while.

[Guest]

I remember hearing some stuff recently about how the power alleys are really advantageous to lefties at Wrigley... any truth to this?

 

That probably doesn't apply to lefties who have gone 56 consecutive games without hitting a home run.

 

I love how you answered my question with more Stewart bashing. Touche.

[Guest]

I see 3 major league seasons from ages 23-25 of between .780 and .805 OPS. I see decent defense at 3B. I'll take that if we can get it for as cheap as we got it.

 

If he's still the Ian Stewart of 2011, we'll see that pretty quickly and not much was lost.

 

 

The career IsoD of nearly 90 is also not too shabby.

 

I know Kyle does, but does everybody else realize how scarce offense is at 3B right now?

 

ARAM was still available and a full 4 WAR better than Stewart for probably a $10-11MM difference.

 

 

Is Stewart worth negative WAR or something, because ARam hasn't been worth 4 WAR since 2008...and in 2 of the last 3 years he has barely been over 1 WAR (yes, he was hurt for part of it). He's also 34 next year, so this trend isn't likely to reverse (and if it does, not for long), although he did have a significant uptick in 2011.

 

Yes, he was.

 

Yes who was what?

[XZero771679666304]

I remember hearing some stuff recently about how the power alleys are really advantageous to lefties at Wrigley... any truth to this?

 

That probably doesn't apply to lefties who have gone 56 consecutive games without hitting a home run.

 

Yes, because Stewart clearly has no power.

 

Well, the wrist injury...he might just suck now. Or at least for a while.

 

He very well might. But generally speaking a lack of power is not one of the valid criticisms you can make of him.

[Guest]

I remember hearing some stuff recently about how the power alleys are really advantageous to lefties at Wrigley... any truth to this?

 

That probably doesn't apply to lefties who have gone 56 consecutive games without hitting a home run.

 

Yes, because Stewart clearly has no power.

 

Well, the wrist injury...he might just suck now. Or at least for a while.

 

Hoyer said Stewart's wrist was checked out by team physicians Tuesday in Chicago, and is "cleared up and ready to go." He said the fact Stewart would be Cubs' property through 2014 was a significant factor. He's arbitration eligible and could make around $3 million in 2012.

 

We'll see.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So wait and see is the best alternative? Stewart's value isn't likely to go down any time soon. If a better alternative presents itself, internally or externally, Stewart can likely be moved for something similar to what he just cost, couldn't he? I just don't see much to get worked up over here.

 

Hoyer has publicly stated that Ian Stewart is our starting 3b. I don't expect him to go back on that.

.