Cubs trade for Ian Stewart/Weathers pg. 5 (Colvin+DJ)

[Guest]

It kinda seems like he's Brett Jackson at 3B if Brett Jackson doesn't reach his ceiling but doesn't entirely tank.

[Guest]

Bruce Levine was on ESPN1000 about an hour or two ago to report the trade and said that Stewart was suffering through a wrist injury this year and that they checked out the medicals and his wrist is sound now.

 

 

I'm not sure how people can say he hasn't had much success when he had a fairly solid first 2-3 years. Even almost managed an .800 OPS with just a .228 average.

 

I haven't looked closely enough to figure how much Coors played into those numbers, but he was at the very least decent prior to 2011.

 

There's about a .030 lean towards home in OPS over his career. Pretty neutral, especially for Rox players.

 

Good to know.

 

How have park factors compared between Wrigley and Coors over the last 5-10 years?

[davell]

Rob Neyer did make me laugh, talking about Weathers. He said maybe TheoJed can find a delivery in his flaw.

[Brian]

anybody want to co-finance www.firetheo.com with me, what a failure he turned out to be!

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It kinda seems like he's Brett Jackson at 3B if Brett Jackson doesn't reach his ceiling but doesn't entirely tank.

 

And plays sub-average defense.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Bruce Levine was on ESPN1000 about an hour or two ago to report the trade and said that Stewart was suffering through a wrist injury this year and that they checked out the medicals and his wrist is sound now.

 

 

I'm not sure how people can say he hasn't had much success when he had a fairly solid first 2-3 years. Even almost managed an .800 OPS with just a .228 average.

 

I haven't looked closely enough to figure how much Coors played into those numbers, but he was at the very least decent prior to 2011.

 

There's about a .030 lean towards home in OPS over his career. Pretty neutral, especially for Rox players.

 

Good to know.

 

How have park factors compared between Wrigley and Coors over the last 5-10 years?

 

Coors about 110-112, Wrigley mostly neutral but fluctuating a lot year-to-year.

[XZero771679666304]

Bruce Levine was on ESPN1000 about an hour or two ago to report the trade and said that Stewart was suffering through a wrist injury this year and that they checked out the medicals and his wrist is sound now.

 

 

I'm not sure how people can say he hasn't had much success when he had a fairly solid first 2-3 years. Even almost managed an .800 OPS with just a .228 average.

 

I haven't looked closely enough to figure how much Coors played into those numbers, but he was at the very least decent prior to 2011.

 

There's about a .030 lean towards home in OPS over his career. Pretty neutral, especially for Rox players.

 

Good to know.

 

How have park factors compared between Wrigley and Coors over the last 5-10 years?

 

Wrigley varies quite a bit, but Coors is consistently top 3 in offense.

[Guest]

It kinda seems like he's Brett Jackson at 3B if Brett Jackson doesn't reach his ceiling but doesn't entirely tank.

 

And plays sub-average defense.

 

He also molests collies in his free time.

[dew1679666265]

His numbers indicate he's already in decline. He's not HOF Pujols anymore. He'll rebound a bit next year, but imo he'll be a 2-3 WAR player at most five years from now.

 

His numbers took a dip this year to be sure and that's reason for concern, but I've not seen a steady decline. TT (I believe) pointed out earlier in the offseason that after a rough first couple of weeks to the season, Pujols was back to his old self in 2011. His numbers have dropped from his 2008 peak, but if you'll notice his LD% held steady from 2010 to 2011 and yet his BABIP dropped 20 points. Given the numbers TT posted and the drop in BABIP, I don't think it's all that out of line to think he could sit right around his 2010 numbers for the next 4-5 years and then drop off.

 

A 2-3 WAR player in at most 5 years is falling off a cliff, though, and I don't think he'll do that. I'm thinking he'll be a 3-5 WAR player around that time. Or at least the chances are good enough he'll be that that it's worth the gamble.

Edited December 9, 2011 by dew

[XZero771679666304]

It kinda seems like he's Brett Jackson at 3B if Brett Jackson doesn't reach his ceiling but doesn't entirely tank.

 

And plays sub-average defense.

 

Based on what exactly?

[sneakypower]

It kinda seems like he's Brett Jackson at 3B if Brett Jackson doesn't reach his ceiling but doesn't entirely tank.

 

And plays sub-average defense.

as evidenced by his plus ratings via UZR, TZ, DRS...really every advanced fielding metric

 

(you're coming off as an ignorant, pompous ass right now)

[CUBZ99]

So far, I think Theo has been brainwashed into believing he is running the Pirates.

[XZero771679666304]

His numbers indicate he's already in decline. He's not HOF Pujols anymore. He'll rebound a bit next year, but imo he'll be a 2-3 WAR player at most five years from now.

 

His numbers took a dip this year to be sure and that's reason for concern, but I've not seen a steady decline. TT (I believe) pointed out earlier in the offseason that after a rough first couple of weeks to the season, Pujols was back to his old self in 2011. His numbers have dropped from his 2008 peak, but if you'll notice his LD% held steady from 2010 to 2011 and yet his BABIP dropped 20 points. Given the numbers TT posted and the drop in BABIP, I don't think it's all that out of line to think he could sit right around his 2010 numbers for the next 4-5 years and then drop off.

 

A 2-3 WAR player in at most 5 years is falling off a cliff, though, and I don't think he'll do that. I'm thinking he'll be a 3-5 WAR player around that time.

 

He's been in consistent decline for 4 years. Last year was a tad anomalous, but there's a clear year to year trend downward in OPS, OPS+ wOBA, WAR and a few others. His o-swing is also clearly trending in the wrong direction.

[Sammy Sofa]

It kinda seems like he's Brett Jackson at 3B if Brett Jackson doesn't reach his ceiling but doesn't entirely tank.

 

And plays sub-average defense.

as evidenced by his plus ratings via UZR, TZ, DRS...really every advanced fielding metric

 

(you're coming off as an ignorant, pompous ass right now)

 

Right NOW?

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Without having to waste too much of anybody's time, can somebody educate me as to why Headley was wanted so much?

 

I realize he plays in a pitcher's park, but his numbers don't seem that impressive at 27 to be talking about giving up legit prospects for him. His OBP was very good last season, but he doesn't seem to have great power for a corner guy and his .343 OBP is less than stellar.

[WilcoFan]

It kinda seems like he's Brett Jackson at 3B if Brett Jackson doesn't reach his ceiling but doesn't entirely tank.

 

And plays sub-average defense.

 

Based on what exactly?

 

 

Ian Stewart is History's Greatest Monster. I'm surprised you don't realize that.

[WilcoFan]

So far, I think Theo has been brainwashed into believing he is running the Pirates.

 

 

This is just ridiculous. And stupid.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It kinda seems like he's Brett Jackson at 3B if Brett Jackson doesn't reach his ceiling but doesn't entirely tank.

 

And plays sub-average defense.

 

He also molests collies in his free time.

 

And keeps hiding himself in the most hitter-friendly situations possible to fool people into thinking he's adequate.

[Guest]

His numbers indicate he's already in decline. He's not HOF Pujols anymore. He'll rebound a bit next year, but imo he'll be a 2-3 WAR player at most five years from now.

 

His numbers took a dip this year to be sure and that's reason for concern, but I've not seen a steady decline. TT (I believe) pointed out earlier in the offseason that after a rough first couple of weeks to the season, Pujols was back to his old self in 2011. His numbers have dropped from his 2008 peak, but if you'll notice his LD% held steady from 2010 to 2011 and yet his BABIP dropped 20 points. Given the numbers TT posted and the drop in BABIP, I don't think it's all that out of line to think he could sit right around his 2010 numbers for the next 4-5 years and then drop off.

 

A 2-3 WAR player in at most 5 years is falling off a cliff, though, and I don't think he'll do that. I'm thinking he'll be a 3-5 WAR player around that time.

 

He's been in consistent decline for 4 years. Last year was a tad anomalous, but there's a clear year to year trend downward in OPS, OPS+ wOBA, WAR and a few others. His o-swing is also clearly trending in the wrong direction.

 

Everything looks like decline compared to two of his two best seasons, even the 4 years prior to 2008. His O-Swing hasn't really moved relative to the league average.

[Guest]

It kinda seems like he's Brett Jackson at 3B if Brett Jackson doesn't reach his ceiling but doesn't entirely tank.

 

And plays sub-average defense.

 

He also molests collies in his free time.

 

And keeps hiding himself in the most hitter-friendly situations possible to fool people into thinking he's adequate.

 

You're teetering a fine line between your relentless pursuit to be at least a little different from popular opinion and outright trolling.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It kinda seems like he's Brett Jackson at 3B if Brett Jackson doesn't reach his ceiling but doesn't entirely tank.

 

And plays sub-average defense.

as evidenced by his plus ratings via UZR, TZ, DRS...really every advanced fielding metric

 

(you're coming off as an ignorant, pompous ass right now)

 

UZR has him at -3.4 fielding runs for his career, Baseball-Reference has him at -0.3 dWAR for his career. I guess Baseball Prospectus does have him as 0.1 FRAA for his career.

[JeffH]

So far, I think Theo has been brainwashed into believing he is running the Pirates.

 

 

This is just ridiculous. And stupid.

 

True. The Cubs' organization is in much worse shape than the Pirates'.

[Geech]

It kinda seems like he's Brett Jackson at 3B if Brett Jackson doesn't reach his ceiling but doesn't entirely tank.

 

And plays sub-average defense.

as evidenced by his plus ratings via UZR, TZ, DRS...really every advanced fielding metric

 

(you're coming off as an ignorant, pompous ass right now)

 

UZR has him at -3.4 fielding runs for his career, Baseball-Reference has him at -0.3 dWAR for his career. I guess Baseball Prospectus does have him as 0.1 FRAA for his career.

 

Yeah, but at what positions? What do his third base numbers look like?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You're teetering a fine line between your relentless pursuit to be at least a little different from popular opinion and outright trolling.

 

In the minors, he spent a couple years at AAA Colorado Springs, a ridiculously hitter-friendly environment.

 

Then in the majors, he spent his home games at Coors Field with its 110 park factors. The Rockies have been giving him a large percentage of his at-bats against his favorable platoon matchup every year.

 

This isn't trolling or giving two poops about what everyone else thinks. I really don't like Ian Stewart as a player. If everyone decides tomorrow that they agree, then I'll still really dislike him as a player.

[WilcoFan]

You're teetering a fine line between your relentless pursuit to be at least a little different from popular opinion and outright trolling.

 

In the minors, he spent a couple years at AAA Colorado Springs, a ridiculously hitter-friendly environment.

 

Then in the majors, he spent his home games at Coors Field with its 110 park factors. The Rockies have been giving him a large percentage of his at-bats against his favorable platoon matchup every year.

 

This isn't trolling or giving two poops about what everyone else thinks. I really don't like Ian Stewart as a player. If everyone decides tomorrow that they agree, then I'll still really dislike him as a player.

 

 

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