2012 College Football Offseason Thread

[BleacherBadger]

Crist is coming north. Especially if Chryst is still around.

[Derwood]

and still not a single coach rumored for PSU (outside of Dungy, which was completely made up)

[Old Style]

One Aggie website is saying Mark Richt is coming to A&M. Either our leaders have done a great job of putting out smokescreens or there is complete chaos going on right now in Aggieland.

[Andy]

Crist is coming north. Especially if Chryst is still around.

I'd definitely like to see that myself.

[Magnetic Curses]

According to a source, Weis' contract with Kansas is likely to reward the four-time Super Bowl champion coach richly, perhaps in excess of the over $3 million per year Will Muschamp is making as Florida's head coach.

 

http://www.alligatorarmy.com/2011/12/8/2621834/charlie-weis-kansas-head-coach-florida

 

Jesus. Wouldn't think they'd have to pay him that much.

 

And whoever mentioned Crist, over what we've had recently, I think I'd take him in a heartbeat.

 

ku must have conjured themselves a new [expletive] wizard

[snoodmonger]

I wanted Malzhan over Weis, but to be honest, I don't know much about Weis and why he failed at ND. Is the consensus from people who follow Notre Dame that this was a mistake hire for KU?

[Derwood]

I wanted Malzhan over Weis, but to be honest, I don't know much about Weis and why he failed at ND. Is the consensus from people who follow Notre Dame that this was a mistake hire for KU?

 

I've heard reports that Weis was a jackass of the highest degree. He thought he was god's gift to coaching and treated everyone at ND (including respected alumni, high ranking school officials and even the clergy) like crap.

[Andy]

I wanted Malzhan over Weis, but to be honest, I don't know much about Weis and why he failed at ND. Is the consensus from people who follow Notre Dame that this was a mistake hire for KU?

He needs to hire a good defensive coordinator, but if he can do that there's no reason he can't do well at KU. His last ND team went 6-6 but scored at least 21 points in all their losses (which were all by 7 or less). With a competent defense he'll do fine.

 

ETA: Truffle's not wrong about treating ND folks like crap (I've heard the same chatter), although if the stuff about Mangino is true it can't be any worse than him.

[snoodmonger]

I wanted Malzhan over Weis, but to be honest, I don't know much about Weis and why he failed at ND. Is the consensus from people who follow Notre Dame that this was a mistake hire for KU?

He needs to hire a good defensive coordinator, but if he can do that there's no reason he can't do well at KU. His last ND team went 6-6 but scored at least 21 points in all their losses (which were all by 7 or less). With a competent defense he'll do fine.

 

ETA: Truffle's not wrong about treating ND folks like crap (I've heard the same chatter), although if the stuff about Mangino is true it can't be any worse than him.

 

there's no way he'll be worse than mangino.

Edited December 9, 2011 by snoodmonger

[abuck1220]

isu's OC leaving to be qb coach at ohio state? huh?

[E.J.]

isu's OC leaving to be qb coach at ohio state? huh?

 

He won't have to do much coaching in Urban's offense.

[Tracer Bullet]

I wanted Malzhan over Weis, but to be honest, I don't know much about Weis and why he failed at ND. Is the consensus from people who follow Notre Dame that this was a mistake hire for KU?

 

No, I don't think there's a consensus either way. Some ND fans hate him and seem to think he should never work again. Some are a bit more forgiving. I don't think anyone who follows ND closely doesn't think he have his faults. Attitude was one. He definitely showed an ability to succeed with some veterans and struggled to develop young talent across the board. But he developed QBs. And he recruited very well.

 

I think he failed for a couple of primary reasons:

 

1. Every coach that looked at ND in 2005 saw what was coming in 2007. Ty recruited just 4 OL in 3 years. Weis landed 4 OL in his first class, but still had just 8 on the team in spring 07. So Weis was forced to play young kids early starting in 2007 (actually, Sam Young started as a true freshman in 06). He wasn't able to develop young talent quick enough or scale back his scheme enough that they could execute it well. So 05/06 worked well b/c he had some talent and esp a QB he could develop. Once 07 happened, he panicked and just started pulling levers and grasping straws looking for things to save his job. He hadn't been a HC before, so he didn't have a consistent plan he could fall back on.

 

2. He didn't know how to build a staff, esp at the college level. He hired some guys at the start that proved to be pretty terrible (including both OL and DL coaches, ugh). He should have fired both in 07 or after, but didn't want to make anyone a scape goat for that season. His inability to construct a staff originally and fill holes with guys that made sense hurt the program and really stunted player development (e.g, Tenuta had a great reputation, but he was a terrible fit at ND; there are reports of defensive coaches getting into pushing fights during practice). That said, his staff his last year had some great pieces, even though several of those guys knew they were joining a sinking ship (Verducci, Alford, who is a stud, and Hart, the DL coach he stole from UW just for the 2009 season). So if he's learned from that mistake, he might build a great staff.

 

If KU has some veteran players, if they have a QB that can run a pro offense (or can land Crist), and if Weis has learned how to build a staff that all sell a consistent message, then he could be successful there. It will help that he won't have to win from day 1. ND giving Weis his first ever HC job and first college job in over a decade was just stupid.

[Tracer Bullet]

Crist is coming north. Especially if Chryst is still around.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/PeteThamelNYT/status/145175897807396866

[BleacherBadger]

Crist is coming north. Especially if Chryst is still around.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/PeteThamelNYT/status/145175897807396866

 

Well, the Kansas program and Wisconsin programs aren't quite on the same level right now. So it'll be interesting if he just wants another year of tutelage under Chucky Fupa, or to actually, you know, win.

[Tracer Bullet]

Crist is coming north. Especially if Chryst is still around.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/PeteThamelNYT/status/145175897807396866

 

Well, the Kansas program and Wisconsin programs aren't quite on the same level right now. So it'll be interesting if he just wants another year of tutelage under Chucky Fupa, or to actually, you know, win.

 

If he wants a shot at the NFL, it's not like a guaranteed stating job in a system he knows with a coach that loves him and will sell him to NFL scouts is the worst option. Who knows what he'll do, but going to Wisconsin and not winning the job or sharing time with one of the highly recruited players on campus isn't a great scenario for him, even if the team would win more.

[jersey cubs fan]

Crist is coming north. Especially if Chryst is still around.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/PeteThamelNYT/status/145175897807396866

 

Well, the Kansas program and Wisconsin programs aren't quite on the same level right now. So it'll be interesting if he just wants another year of tutelage under Chucky Fupa, or to actually, you know, win.

 

If he wants a shot at the NFL, it's not like a guaranteed stating job in a system he knows with a coach that loves him and will sell him to NFL scouts is the worst option. Who knows what he'll do, but going to Wisconsin and not winning the job or sharing time with one of the highly recruited players on campus isn't a great scenario for him, even if the team would win more.

 

Yeah, you'd be an idiot to only think of potential win totals in this move.

[Tracer Bullet]

Exactly. Wisconsin has other benefits, including better overall talent and presumably better WRs so his numbers aren't hurt by getting sacked 10 times a game and having a bunch of drops. But he's got 1 shot. I think I'd take the known starting gig and hope Weis can get 1-2 talented WRs to join him. Maybe more likely if Crist is already on campus, which he can he in January.

[Castro13]

Tim Beckman officially hired by Illinois.....yay? Very underwhelming hire

[Magnetic Curses]

Tim Beckman officially hired by Illinois.....yay? Very underwhelming hire

 

beckman sounds about right. i mean, who did you expect, nick saban?

[SouthSideRyan]

Tim Beckman officially hired by Illinois.....yay? Very underwhelming hire

 

beckman sounds about right. i mean, who did you expect, nick saban?

 

Sounds like somebody doesn't know how to operate a dump truck.

[treebird]

Tim Beckman officially hired by Illinois.....yay? Very underwhelming hire

 

beckman sounds about right. i mean, who did you expect, nick saban?

 

Sounds like somebody doesn't know how to operate a dump truck.

 

maybe thomas is a darcula and could only rent the dump truck fore daylight hours

[Magnetic Curses]

Tim Beckman officially hired by Illinois.....yay? Very underwhelming hire

 

beckman sounds about right. i mean, who did you expect, nick saban?

 

Sounds like somebody doesn't know how to operate a dump truck.

 

maybe thomas is a darcula and could only rent the dump truck fore daylight hours

 

or maybe he's reverse dracula and could only rent it at night.

[hawkeyecub]

Beckman sounded like a more Brewstery version of Tim Brewster.

[Flames24Rulz]

Beckman sounded like a more Brewstery version of Tim Brewster.

 

If Brewster sounded like a meathead, that's what Beckman sounded like.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

Beckman sounded like a more Brewstery version of Tim Brewster.

 

If Brewster sounded like a meathead, that's what Beckman sounded like.

 

I was very underwhelmed with how he spoke, however, I thought he had a solid message. Competition will be the bedrock of the program, he is going to hold players accountable and he's got the same type of passion Zook did.

 

I'm not thrilled about the hire, but I'm behind him 100%. After seeing Mike Thomas' negotiating skills, I don't want him anywhere near a basketball hire.