2012 College Football Offseason Thread

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TruffleShuffle wrote:

a school that has everyone questioning its integrity is going to throw several million dollars a year at nick saban.

 

Putting several words in bold isn't an explanation.

 

Come on, man. You know what he's trying to say. PSU is going through a major scandal and hiring a coach like Nick Saban, who's looked at like the devil by everyone except Alabama fans, is probably not a good idea for PSU right now.

 

Right. PSU is too good for Saban.

 

Not really. PSU cannot afford the public perception problems that they're once again putting football ahead of ethics if they hired somebody like Saban. He's just not the right fit for them at this time with their public image so fragile. That doesn't mean they're too good for him, or that they wouldn't love to hire someone like him at another time.

 

What major scandal has Saban had at Bama?

 

Hey, I think the guy is a weasel that uses black kids for betterment of himself without any concern for their futures. But that's true of a [expletive] of cfb coaches. He oversigns, use gray shirts, and abuses medical red shirts? Isn't that basically sanctioned by the SEC now?

[SouthSideRyan]

TruffleShuffle wrote:

a school that has everyone questioning its integrity is going to throw several million dollars a year at nick saban.

 

Putting several words in bold isn't an explanation.

 

Perhaps you missed that he increased the font size as well

[SouthSideRyan]

You're suggesting PSU is too good to hire Nick Saban?

 

I don't even recall him helping out with the Special Olympics

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TruffleShuffle wrote:

a school that has everyone questioning its integrity is going to throw several million dollars a year at nick saban.

 

Putting several words in bold isn't an explanation.

 

Come on, man. You know what he's trying to say. PSU is going through a major scandal and hiring a coach like Nick Saban, who's looked at like the devil by everyone except Alabama fans, is probably not a good idea for PSU right now.

 

Right. PSU is too good for Saban.

 

Not really. PSU cannot afford the public perception problems that they're once again putting football ahead of ethics if they hired somebody like Saban. He's just not the right fit for them at this time with their public image so fragile. That doesn't mean they're too good for him, or that they wouldn't love to hire someone like him at another time.

 

BTW that effectively says that PSU is too good for Saban. Not bc he's a bad coach but bc of his reputation. But that's a meaningless distinction.

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TruffleShuffle wrote:

a school that has everyone questioning its integrity is going to throw several million dollars a year at nick saban.

 

Putting several words in bold isn't an explanation.

 

Perhaps you missed that he increased the font size as well

 

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Not really. PSU cannot afford the public perception problems that they're once again putting football ahead of ethics if they hired somebody like Saban. He's just not the right fit for them at this time with their public image so fragile. That doesn't mean they're too good for him, or that they wouldn't love to hire someone like him at another time.

 

Saban is looked at like the devil because he's jumped from program to program, not because he allowed an assistant coach to use the facilities to recruit rape victims. The public perception problems at PSU aren't going to be fixed by hiring some no name guy who will always toe the line. I don't see how these things are related.

 

That's a good point. He's probably looked at as a devil in LSU (maybe) and Miami, but I don't think the majority of American cfb fans gives a [expletive] about Saban's career choices.

[E.J.]

Not really. PSU cannot afford the public perception problems that they're once again putting football ahead of ethics if they hired somebody like Saban. He's just not the right fit for them at this time with their public image so fragile. That doesn't mean they're too good for him, or that they wouldn't love to hire someone like him at another time.

 

Saban is looked at like the devil because he's jumped from program to program, not because he allowed an assistant coach to use the facilities to recruit rape victims. The public perception problems at PSU aren't going to be fixed by hiring some no name guy who will always toe the line. I don't see how these things are related.

 

That's a good point. He's probably looked at as a devil in LSU (maybe) and Miami, but I don't think the majority of American cfb fans gives a [expletive] about Saban's career choices.

 

He's the king of over-signing and there have been numerous kids coming out talking about how they were forced into medical hardships to open up scholarships for better players. He's a sleaze ball. I would hope any Big Ten/Pac 12/ND university would stay far away from a coach like him.

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Not really. PSU cannot afford the public perception problems that they're once again putting football ahead of ethics if they hired somebody like Saban. He's just not the right fit for them at this time with their public image so fragile. That doesn't mean they're too good for him, or that they wouldn't love to hire someone like him at another time.

 

Saban is looked at like the devil because he's jumped from program to program, not because he allowed an assistant coach to use the facilities to recruit rape victims. The public perception problems at PSU aren't going to be fixed by hiring some no name guy who will always toe the line. I don't see how these things are related.

 

That's a good point. He's probably looked at as a devil in LSU (maybe) and Miami, but I don't think the majority of American cfb fans gives a [expletive] about Saban's career choices.

 

He's the king of over-signing and there have been numerous kids coming out talking about how they were forced into medical hardships to open up scholarships for better players. He's a sleaze ball. I would hope any Big Ten/Pac 12/ND university would stay far away from a coach like him.

 

I don't agree that his reputation is widely tarnished among most cfb fans. But this is all beside the point that truffle thinks PSU is too good to hire him.

[Derwood]

Truffle never said that, no matter how many times you repeat it.

 

The point is that a program as tarnished as PSU's can't afford to hire ANY coach that has a negative reputation

[E.J.]

Not really. PSU cannot afford the public perception problems that they're once again putting football ahead of ethics if they hired somebody like Saban. He's just not the right fit for them at this time with their public image so fragile. That doesn't mean they're too good for him, or that they wouldn't love to hire someone like him at another time.

 

Saban is looked at like the devil because he's jumped from program to program, not because he allowed an assistant coach to use the facilities to recruit rape victims. The public perception problems at PSU aren't going to be fixed by hiring some no name guy who will always toe the line. I don't see how these things are related.

 

That's a good point. He's probably looked at as a devil in LSU (maybe) and Miami, but I don't think the majority of American cfb fans gives a [expletive] about Saban's career choices.

 

He's the king of over-signing and there have been numerous kids coming out talking about how they were forced into medical hardships to open up scholarships for better players. He's a sleaze ball. I would hope any Big Ten/Pac 12/ND university would stay far away from a coach like him.

 

I don't agree that his reputation is widely tarnished among most cfb fans. But this is all beside the point that truffle thinks PSU is too good to hire him.

 

Truffle didn't say anything about PSU being too good to hire him. Truffle said PSU shouldn't hire a guy with a tarnished reputation when they're dealing with their own tarnished reputation.

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Right. PSU is too good for Saban.

 

Not really. PSU cannot afford the public perception problems that they're once again putting football ahead of ethics if they hired somebody like Saban. He's just not the right fit for them at this time with their public image so fragile. That doesn't mean they're too good for him, or that they wouldn't love to hire someone like him at another time.

 

BTW that effectively says that PSU is too good for Saban. Not bc he's a bad coach but bc of his reputation. But that's a meaningless distinction.

 

That's the thing. It's not only because of Saban's reputation. It's Saban's reputation+PSU's issues. If either part of the equation wasn't true, they would want to hire him. So while saying PSU is too good for Saban if they refused to hire him might technically be a true statement, it's horribly misleading. That statement would be interpreted in 2 primary ways. The first is PSU thinks they could find a better football coach than Saban, and the second is that they think they are morally superior to Saban. Neither is true in this case, which makes that statement a very bad summation.

 

I do agree with that I don't know how tarnished Saban's reputation is among college football fans right now. The real question though is what the media would write about it because they could change a lot of minds

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Truffle didn't say anything about PSU being too good to hire him. Truffle said PSU shouldn't hire a guy with a tarnished reputation when they're dealing with their own tarnished reputation.

 

No. He said a team with integrity issues wouldn't throw millions at Nick Saban (with bold). Clear implication is Saban's negative reputation isn't suitable for PSU.

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Right. PSU is too good for Saban.

 

Not really. PSU cannot afford the public perception problems that they're once again putting football ahead of ethics if they hired somebody like Saban. He's just not the right fit for them at this time with their public image so fragile. That doesn't mean they're too good for him, or that they wouldn't love to hire someone like him at another time.

 

BTW that effectively says that PSU is too good for Saban. Not bc he's a bad coach but bc of his reputation. But that's a meaningless distinction.

 

That's the thing. It's not only because of Saban's reputation. It's Saban's reputation+PSU's issues. If either part of the equation wasn't true, they would want to hire him. So while saying PSU is too good for Saban if they refused to hire him might technically be a true statement, it's horribly misleading. That statement would be interpreted in 2 primary ways. The first is PSU thinks they could find a better football coach than Saban, and the second is that they think they are morally superior to Saban. Neither is true in this case, which makes that statement a very bad summation.

 

I do agree with that I don't know how tarnished Saban's reputation is among college football fans right now. The real question though is what the media would write about it because they could change a lot of minds

 

I think the media would question Saban's sanity for leaving maybe the best job in cfb for PSU.

[TruffleShuffle]

Not really. PSU cannot afford the public perception problems that they're once again putting football ahead of ethics if they hired somebody like Saban. He's just not the right fit for them at this time with their public image so fragile. That doesn't mean they're too good for him, or that they wouldn't love to hire someone like him at another time.

 

yeah, i can't figure out if GR is trolling or just is unable to connect the dots himself.

 

-nick saban is regarded as a snake oil salesman. he's repeatedly committed himself to coaching jobs, only to leave them soon after when another offer comes along. obviously if he ditched alabama for a lucrative offer, he'd add another mark to this record.

 

-ped state (see what i did there?) has been accused by many people of putting the football program and money ahead of the public embarrassment of a former coach being a child molester. hiring a coach whose ethics have been widely questioned, and hiring him for an unheard-of salary, would obviously be taken as "business as usual, college football is king" by the critics.

[TruffleShuffle]

You're suggesting PSU is too good to hire Nick Saban?

 

I don't even recall him helping out with the Special Olympics

 

how do you know you need some new material? you're stealing jokes from kyle j. mayhugh.

[SpongeWorthy]

Not really. PSU cannot afford the public perception problems that they're once again putting football ahead of ethics if they hired somebody like Saban. He's just not the right fit for them at this time with their public image so fragile. That doesn't mean they're too good for him, or that they wouldn't love to hire someone like him at another time.

 

yeah, i can't figure out if GR is trolling or just is unable to connect the dots himself.

 

-nick saban is regarded as a snake oil salesman. he's repeatedly committed himself to coaching jobs, only to leave them soon after when another offer comes along. obviously if he ditched alabama for a lucrative offer, he'd add another mark to this record.

 

-ped state (see what i did there?) has been accused by many people of putting the football program and money ahead of the public embarrassment of a former coach being a child molester. hiring a coach whose ethics have been widely questioned, and hiring him for an unheard-of salary, would obviously be taken as "business as usual, college football is king" by the critics.

 

You can't connect the dots if you don't think PSU somehow getting Saban would be anything other than an unmitigated coup.

[TruffleShuffle]

i've always said that if there is anyone who can appreciate winning with honor and integrity, it's a usc fan.

[SpongeWorthy]

[TruffleShuffle]

you may be happy with winning a national championship, at the cost of it being vacated later and having a couple of years of bowl bans to follow. i'd rather have my team win the capitol one bowl and not worry about the win being vacated when it turns out that our star running back's family was living in a house that an agent bought them. you're obviously not concerned about that kind of activity. i'm not going to say that one is right and one is wrong, just that i'd prefer that my school not be involved in it. to each his own.

[SpongeWorthy]

Well all that winning PSU did with honor and integrity turned out be nothing more than facile pablum didn't it? So it seems you don't know anything more than about it than I do.

 

Your sanctimony rings pretty hollow considering PSU players were being arrested in droves when USC was running afoul of NCAA rules and especially now that it turns out Joe Paterno is a far worse human being than Pete Carroll.

 

In any event, it takes an astonishing amount sort of self delusion to think if PSU hired Saban the overwhelming consensus among Penn State fans wouldn't be positive.

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Not really. PSU cannot afford the public perception problems that they're once again putting football ahead of ethics if they hired somebody like Saban. He's just not the right fit for them at this time with their public image so fragile. That doesn't mean they're too good for him, or that they wouldn't love to hire someone like him at another time.

 

yeah, i can't figure out if GR is trolling or just is unable to connect the dots himself.

 

-nick saban is regarded as a snake oil salesman. he's repeatedly committed himself to coaching jobs, only to leave them soon after when another offer comes along. obviously if he ditched alabama for a lucrative offer, he'd add another mark to this record.

 

-ped state (see what i did there?) has been accused by many people of putting the football program and money ahead of the public embarrassment of a former coach being a child molester. hiring a coach whose ethics have been widely questioned, and hiring him for an unheard-of salary, would obviously be taken as "business as usual, college football is king" by the critics.

 

Yeah, it's me. I'm trolling or I'm stupid. Just me...and sneaky. Me and sneaky...and ssr. Me, sneaky, ssr, and jersey are trolling or too stupid. Me, sneaky, ssr, jersey, and sponge...among the people that are trolling and too stupid to read your posts are me, sneaky, ssr, jersey, sponge...and even ccp who admitted that your post could be read as I read it.

 

Maybe if you had used more bold.

[TruffleShuffle]

you read what you wanted to read, even after i emphasized the point of my original post, that it would be foolish for a school with integrity issues to hire a coach who many people regard to have poor integrity. by the way, sneaky and ssr just made snarky posts that did nothing to back up your argument. i can't say what jersey posted because i don't read his posts.

 

i also hope everyone can appreciate the irony of a notre dame supporter criticizing someone for possibly thinking their school is too good for somebody.

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you read what you wanted to read, even after i emphasized the point of my original post, that it would be foolish for a school with integrity issues to hire a coach who many people regard to have poor integrity. by the way, sneaky and ssr just made snarky posts that did nothing to back up your argument. i can't say what jersey posted because i don't read his posts.

 

i also hope everyone can appreciate the irony of a notre dame supporter criticizing someone for possibly thinking their school is too good for somebody.

 

So are you admitting you think PSU is too good for Saban? That's the implication of your last sentence.

 

I simply love that you think bolding the only important part of your post places additional emphasis on it that wasn't inherent. I know what your post says and the implication is clear. You've yet to affirmatively deny my reading so I assume I was right.

[TruffleShuffle]

whatever, I'm done. I said "possibly thinking" because that's how you interpreted what I wrote, and you take this as admission that I think PSU is too good for saban. Bravo.

 

Anyway, I'm looking forward to tree's next rumor. I'm thinking saban at head coach, peterson at offensive coordinator, bob stoops at defensive coordinator and belichick managing the special teams.

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