Re: What would you deal Garza for?

[davell]

Like I said, I would want a stupid type of haul, in order to trade him. Toronto and Boston will be set up well as trade partners, if we go that route. Syndergaard, Marisnick, and Nicolino from Toronto. Barnes, Owens, Ranaudo, and one of Bogaerts, Swihart, or Cecchini from Boston. They say "no", extend him and be happy about it.

[A New Era]

Yeah you give him a 5 year extension and he's the Ace of the team all the way through 2017.

[davell]

I think Garza taking a 5 year extension may have passed. Cain just got 6/127. I know Garza hasn't been as good as Cain, but he could very well see close to that, if he wanted to test the market. Yeah, there's the risk of him staying healthy and pitching well, but he's hitting his prime, so I could see his thinking. Instead of 5/65, my guess is it'd take 6/100, at the very least. Hell, he may even be wanting a 7 year deal, for all we know. It'd be great to keep him, but I think 6/100ish is about the most I'd feel comfortable with.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

Keep him. Good starting pitching is just too hard to get, and it's doubtful we get an arm back that will deliver even similar results.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Nez Balelo, Matt Garza's agent, is scheduled to be in Chicago during the Cubs' homestand, reports Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times.  Cubs president of baseball operations Theo Epstein said that a potential long-term deal with Garza is the sort of "big-picture issue" that can't be measured by how Garza performs early this season or even throughout 2012.

 

For what it's worth. There was a link to the article in the MLBTR post but I guess it didn't post. It's essentially Theo saying that as much as they live Garza and want to extend him, 2 hot starts aren't going to get them to go crazy and over pay.

 

Now the 2014 Starting Pitching class looks like:

 

Lincecum (30)

Josh Johnson (30)

Garza (30)

Jurrjens (28)

Nolasco (31)

Ubaldo will have a 5.25 MM option which he can and likely will void.

 

Additionally, Johan Santana has a 25MM option with a buyout. Hard to tell fire Mets will be in the kind of position where it would be worth it for them. John Lester has a 13MM team option, but the only way they don't pick that up is if something tragic happens between now and then.

 

If Lincecum and/or Johnson are extended between now and then, Garzas stock takes a jump, if both are extended it takes a huge jump. This is something that he an his agent could take into consideration when talking extension.

[A New Era]

If Smardjiza really can put it together and is the real deal. Garza and Shark are a very attractive 1-2 punch over the next several years as we have guys like Castro, Jackson, Rizzo, possibly Vitters coming into their own.

 

I think I feel the same way as the default feeling around here. Would love to have him around, and at this point it's gonna take a king's ransom to take him away.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

If Smardjiza really can put it together and is the real deal. Garza and Shark are a very attractive 1-2 punch over the next several years as we have guys like Castro, Jackson, Rizzo, possibly Vitters coming into their own.

 

I think I feel the same way as the default feeling around here. Would love to have him around, and at this point it's gonna take a king's ransom to take him away.

 

I agree on Garza and Shark but I'm a big believer in 3, preferably someone who would be the youngest of the three. Sucks there's still a delay because I was really looking forward to watching this start by Shark. It's [expletive] gorgeous here in the great state of NJ, y Chicago no gorgeous?

[javy knows my name]

If Smardjiza really can put it together and is the real deal. Garza and Shark are a very attractive 1-2 punch over the next several years as we have guys like Castro, Jackson, Rizzo, possibly Vitters coming into their own.

 

I think I feel the same way as the default feeling around here. Would love to have him around, and at this point it's gonna take a king's ransom to take him away.

 

I agree on Garza and Shark but I'm a big believer in 3, preferably someone who would be the youngest of the three. Sucks there's still a delay because I was really looking forward to watching this start by Shark. It's [expletive] gorgeous here in the great state of NJ, y Chicago no gorgeous?

 

It's beautiful here. It's shitty in shitty St Louis.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

If Smardjiza really can put it together and is the real deal. Garza and Shark are a very attractive 1-2 punch over the next several years as we have guys like Castro, Jackson, Rizzo, possibly Vitters coming into their own.

 

I think I feel the same way as the default feeling around here. Would love to have him around, and at this point it's gonna take a king's ransom to take him away.

 

I agree on Garza and Shark but I'm a big believer in 3, preferably someone who would be the youngest of the three. Sucks there's still a delay because I was really looking forward to watching this start by Shark. It's [expletive] gorgeous here in the great state of NJ, y Chicago no gorgeous?

 

It's beautiful here. It's [expletive] in [expletive] St Louis.

 

Ah. [expletive] St. Louis.

[sweetpeteman]

If Smardjiza really can put it together and is the real deal. Garza and Shark are a very attractive 1-2 punch over the next several years as we have guys like Castro, Jackson, Rizzo, possibly Vitters coming into their own.

 

I think I feel the same way as the default feeling around here. Would love to have him around, and at this point it's gonna take a king's ransom to take him away.

 

I agree on Garza and Shark but I'm a big believer in 3, preferably someone who would be the youngest of the three. Sucks there's still a delay because I was really looking forward to watching this start by Shark. It's [expletive] gorgeous here in the great state of NJ, y Chicago no gorgeous?

 

It's beautiful here. It's [expletive] in [expletive] St Louis.

 

 

And the weather is bad, too.

[javy knows my name]

If Smardjiza really can put it together and is the real deal. Garza and Shark are a very attractive 1-2 punch over the next several years as we have guys like Castro, Jackson, Rizzo, possibly Vitters coming into their own.

 

I think I feel the same way as the default feeling around here. Would love to have him around, and at this point it's gonna take a king's ransom to take him away.

 

I agree on Garza and Shark but I'm a big believer in 3, preferably someone who would be the youngest of the three. Sucks there's still a delay because I was really looking forward to watching this start by Shark. It's [expletive] gorgeous here in the great state of NJ, y Chicago no gorgeous?

 

It's beautiful here. It's [expletive] in [expletive] St Louis.

 

 

And the weather is bad, too.

 

WHEEEEEEE

[toonsterwu]

My random Saturday morning thought is that the better Garza pitches, the tougher the decision becomes. This isn't a bad thing, obviously, but if he's just "good", then you deal him and reload. If he's dominating akin to last year? Tough choice. A big package becomes possible, and could really jump-start the rebuilding process (and also allow us more flexibility in FA), but keeping Garza would make it easier to build a strong staff sooner than later.

 

I tend to think that the development of Shark, Vitters, Stewart, Rizzo, etcetera will play a big factor in all this. How many pieces do we need with rebuilding could be the deciding factor in all this? A quality third baseman from Stewart/Vitters, coupled with the fact that this regime is likely to give Rizzo every chance possible, would ease the needs a lot (because then, you're looking for corner OF's and maybe 2nd). If, by mid-season, things look bleak at spots (particularly 3rd), I could see them rationalizing the idea that Garza might be able to get "plug-and-play" guys at 3rd and maybe a SP. I could see Shark impacting the decision both ways - if he's so good that he can be the 1-2 punch in a winning rotation, then it wouldn't stun me if they dealt Garza to reload the system and to go after another TOR arm in FA, rationalizing it as the best way to rebuild the team quicker. Of course, they could also decide, in that scenario, to keep Shark and add another SP (and perhaps see if Dempster is willing to come back on a team-friendly deal).

 

That leads to the final point. We have a general understanding of what payroll/budget may look like, but that will probably impact a lot of decision-making. Can we afford to land 1 impact SP and bat, and perhaps some secondary pieces, along with keeping Garza?

 

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My gut says that we should keep Garza, hope Shark is a "3" capable starter, and try to sign Dempster on a team friendly deal. Go out in FA and try to add a "2" to Garza, jettison Soriano (preferably by not eating the deal, but if so, okay), and add one solid bat somewhere (preferably a righty, with Rizzo/Jackson and maybe Stewart, we finally have middle of the order lefty bats - although Jackson will probably bat at the top when he comes up).

 

My head says we really need to see how certain players look at midseason, because dealing Garza might be the quickest way to retool at multiple spots.

[biittner77]

Somebody has to be the one to say it: what about Garza to the Yankees? What kind of package can the Yankees put together?

[Post Count Padder]

Somebody has to be the one to say it: what about Garza to the Yankees? What kind of package can the Yankees put together?

I'd dangle Dempster first and see if they'd bite. I could see Hughes and a prospect or two coming back.

 

Garza, would definitely want Banuelos and Betances, and I have a feeling the Yanks wouldn't be keen on surrendering both. (Though, they're both getting smacked around in AAA to start the year. Betances has a 17/16 BB/K ratio in 17.1 innings)

[SouthSideRyan]

I don't think I'd trade Garza for Banuelos/Betances

[Post Count Padder]

I don't think I'd trade Garza for Banuelos/Betances

Yeah, I was more or less saying what it would take. But I'm not really a fan of the Yanks' system. We could get a better deal from someone else.

[davell]

Betances is a reliever and Banuelos is having issues right now. His size has always been a potential red flag for me too. Mason Williams is the centerpiece of a deal with the Yanks for me. But I'd still need much more than just him. They're a much better fit for Dempster, than they are for Garza. Boston and Toronto are much better fits for Garza. Arizona is too, if you could get them to part with some of their ridiculous pitching. With as hard as it's going to be to find big-time pitching now, you have to be blown away to trade him. Just don't see how the Yanks can do that honestly.

[CP_414]

My current top 3 choices from teams that I think would be interested in giving up a good amount for Garza.

 

Toronto - 2 of: Syndergaard, Nicolino, Marisnick as the centerpiece.

Boston - Barnes and Owens as the centerpiece.

Marlins - Fernandez and Yellich as the centerpiece.

 

 

It's asking a lot though. I'm not sure if any of those teams go for it.

 

Arizona could be a very good option too. Phillies (May, Biddle, Dom Brown )? I'd want Mason Williams and Campos to lead a trade from the Yankees. I'm still fairly confident Theo/Jed will be able to find a nice deal at the deadline if they aren't going to extend Garza.

[Guest]

My current top 3 choices from teams that I think would be interested in giving up a good amount for Garza.

 

Toronto - 2 of: Syndergaard, Nicolino, Marisnick as the centerpiece.

Boston - Barnes and Owens as the centerpiece.

Marlins - Fernandez and Yellich as the centerpiece.

 

 

It's asking a lot though. I'm not sure if any of those teams go for it.

 

Arizona could be a very good option too. Phillies (May, Biddle, Dom Brown )? I'd want Mason Williams and Campos to lead a trade from the Yankees. I'm still fairly confident Theo/Jed will be able to find a nice deal at the deadline if they aren't going to extend Garza.

 

I'd want Jackie Bradley or Xander from the Red Sox.

[davell]

I'd basically want their draft from last year. Barbed, Owens, Swihart, and JBJ. Yeah, it's a lot, but I'm not trading Garza unless I get a gigantic package.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

My current top 3 choices from teams that I think would be interested in giving up a good amount for Garza.

 

Toronto - 2 of: Syndergaard, Nicolino, Marisnick as the centerpiece.

Boston - Barnes and Owens as the centerpiece.

Marlins - Fernandez and Yellich as the centerpiece.

 

 

It's asking a lot though. I'm not sure if any of those teams go for it.

 

Arizona could be a very good option too. Phillies (May, Biddle, Dom Brown )? I'd want Mason Williams and Campos to lead a trade from the Yankees. I'm still fairly confident Theo/Jed will be able to find a nice deal at the deadline if they aren't going to extend Garza.

 

I'd want Jackie Bradley or Xander from the Red Sox.

 

Bradley Jr. is my type of hitter...Really studies the stuff too:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/qa-jackie-bradley-jr-bosox-blueprint/

 

One of the better interviews you'll see from a young player, or maybe any player.

[shnsajax]

I think the Yank would rather try to live by Pettite than give up more prospects on pitching. Cashman seems very depressed about the trade now.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I really can't think of a contender who could use Garza more so than the Tigers. Aside from Verlander their pitching has been atrocious, and unless they're frame of mind is that the rest of the division is bad enough that they don't need to upgrade Garza would be a great fit. Still, I'd rather extend him but the Tigers are clearly all in for the next few years and if they want to revisit the Turner, Smyly/Crosby, Castallanos talk that may or may not have ever happened it would be hard to say no.

[El Duderino]

I hope they extend him soon, because he's not getting cheaper.

[Rizzo Smash]

I'd trade him. He's not part of a future and we could get some good young arms for him. But yeah if you're going to extend him, you need to do it soon.