Re: What would you deal Garza for?

[TruffleShuffle]

samardzija's command would have to improve markedly to be a front of the rotation guy.

[Little Slide Rooter]

@freeptigers: Strained left side for Doug Fister. He is undergoing further evaluation.

 

Hopefully its nothing too serious, but if it is...

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

@freeptigers: Strained left side for Doug Fister. He is undergoing further evaluation.

 

Hopefully its nothing too serious, but if it is...

 

I actually thought they're still the most legit candidate even if he was healthy, but POSSIBLY this is good news for the Cubs. I mean they made it to the WS with Bonderman as their #2, so you have to figure a talent like Garza is tantalizing to them.

 

Hmm...another question on that...bigger get...Turner or Castellanos? Still the more ready Turner, right?

[ctcf]

@freeptigers: Strained left side for Doug Fister. He is undergoing further evaluation.

 

Hopefully its nothing too serious, but if it is...

 

I actually thought they're still the most legit candidate even if he was healthy, but POSSIBLY this is good news for the Cubs. I mean they made it to the WS with Bonderman as their #2, so you have to figure a talent like Garza is tantalizing to them.

 

Hmm...another question on that...bigger get...Turner or Castellanos? Still the more ready Turner, right?

 

Turner is currently embroiled in some injury troubles, iirc.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

@freeptigers: Strained left side for Doug Fister. He is undergoing further evaluation.

 

Hopefully its nothing too serious, but if it is...

 

I actually thought they're still the most legit candidate even if he was healthy, but POSSIBLY this is good news for the Cubs. I mean they made it to the WS with Bonderman as their #2, so you have to figure a talent like Garza is tantalizing to them.

 

Hmm...another question on that...bigger get...Turner or Castellanos? Still the more ready Turner, right?

 

Turner is currently embroiled in some injury troubles, iirc.

 

Yeah shoulder...Castellanos by default? Smyly and others?

[davell]

If Garza were to be dealt(highly unlikely to me, since market is drying up), it would HAVE to be a pitching heavy package in return. Personally, I don't see Detroit as a great fit. Toronto is still the team I'd be trying to find a package with. Maybe Boston, now that Barnes and Owens will be able to be traded soon. But, you have to get 2 top 100 type arms at a minimum for him. Even then, it's risky, due to success ratios.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, I'd be really disappointed if they moved Garza at this point. Counting on a strong pitching FA class is pretty stupid with the way things are going.

[mookie]

Yeah, I'd be really disappointed if they moved Garza at this point. Counting on a strong pitching FA class is pretty stupid with the way things are going.

 

While I agree about the FA pool thinning dramatically, I still wouldn't mind trading him as long as a team overpays quite well to obtain him.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Depending on how much time they expect Fister to miss, perhaps we could interest them in our ace instead.

[El Duderino]

oh god, not the tigers again.

[dew1679666265]

Yeah, I'd be really disappointed if they moved Garza at this point. Counting on a strong pitching FA class is pretty stupid with the way things are going.

 

While I agree about the FA pool thinning dramatically, I still wouldn't mind trading him as long as a team overpays quite well to obtain him.

 

I wouldn't be critical of trading him if a team offered something kind of silly for him, but the biggest problem is who replaces him? We're already at least a year or two from likely contention, if we deal Garza we get even further away.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

Toronto is only interesting if we get one of Noah S., Nicolino, or Norris. Don't want Drabek even if I like the arm, and Snider would be more interesting if he played D.

 

Something like McGuire, Syndergaard/Nicolino/Norris, and upside someone (maybe one of the catchers?). Otherwise don't know...

[davell]

My thinking is more like this, and I wanted us to trade Garza more than anyone over the offseason: From Toronto, I'd trade him for one of Sundergaard, Nicolino, or Norris, one of Gose or Marisnick, Drabek, and a very high upside arm, like Sanchez or Cardona. Way too much to ask for? Yep. But with pitching as scarce as it's going to be, it's going to take a package like that, to allow me to move Garza. Just ectend him, he'll be a solid guy to give a 5 or 6 year ectension to.

[Sammy Sofa]

Just ectend him, he'll be a solid guy to give a 5 or 6 year ectension to.

 

OK, the first time is just a mistake, but twice?

[Little Slide Rooter]

But a lot of it comes down to who needs what and how badly. We dont know how much time Fister williss and how badly they need a replacement, I at all. However, Detroit being a string fav for their division and Fister their number 2 starter if he is to miss significant time chances are that they're going to go shopping for a replacement, and if that happens we should be right there with either Garza or Dempster.

[davell]

Just ectend him, he'll be a solid guy to give a 5 or 6 year ectension to.

 

OK, the first time is just a mistake, but twice?

Lol. Too sunny outside to be posting from my phone, I guess. Extend him, unless we get HUGE return basically.

[davell]

I really don't see us getting much for Demp, unless he has damn near a career season. Even then, I think it'd take us eating a ton of cash to get a couple of borderline top 10 guys from an average system. And if he has THAT type of year, Garza pitches well, and one of the other group does too, we probably won't even be out of the race. Unless the pen is truly as wretched as it's looked so far. Which may be the case obviously.

[Brett]

I really don't see us getting much for Demp, unless he has damn near a career season. Even then, I think it'd take us eating a ton of cash to get a couple of borderline top 10 guys from an average system. And if he has THAT type of year, Garza pitches well, and one of the other group does too, we probably won't even be out of the race. Unless the pen is truly as wretched as it's looked so far. Which may be the case obviously.

 

The fact that a team trading for Dempster now can't even hope for compensation if he leaves after the season (because he won't have spent the entire year with that team) also hurts his trade value.

[Guest]

Just ectend him, he'll be a solid guy to give a 5 or 6 year ectension to.

 

OK, the first time is just a mistake, but twice?

Holy [expletive].

[Derwood]

I'm fully in the "don't trade him" camp

[Little Slide Rooter]

I'm fully in the "don't trade him" camp

 

I'm in the don't trade him unless someone is willing to make a ridiculous, top prospect filled offer. Luckily, that's the same camp that Epstein and Hoyer are in.

[davell]

All I know is if he looks like he's looked over his first two starts, we would receive a ridiculous haul for him. The down side, if there even is one, is a 5/65 type extension looks more like a 6/100 one, right about now. At this point, the only camp I'm in with Garza, is the "don't get hurt" one. Either possibility of keeping or trading him is fine.

[Little Slide Rooter]

All I know is if he looks like he's looked over his first two starts, we would receive a ridiculous haul for him. The down side, if there even is one, is a 5/65 type extension looks more like a 6/100 one, right about now. At this point, the only camp I'm in with Garza, is the "don't get hurt" one. Either possibility of keeping or trading him is fine.

 

And if he continues to pitch this way, we can certainly afford such a contract, and I say go for it. I know I just stated that I would love a monster haul for him, and I probably would, but even in the case of monster hauls, how often does more than one guy from the monster haul really pan out? Sometimes less. The Blue Jays and Indians are still waiting to reap the benefits of their monster hauls for Halladay and Sabathia. Any prospect package is a gamble, and for guys like Dempster, Soto, Marmol, or Byrd, you happily take the gamble, but what this team needs going forward is some sure things, and we don't have many. Garza's been looking like he just might be one in his time as a Cub. If he's willing to sign a reasonable extension, we should do it. If not, we start listening to offers.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

I'm fully in the "don't trade him" camp

 

I'm in the don't trade him unless someone is willing to make a ridiculous, top prospect filled offer. Luckily, that's the same camp that Epstein and Hoyer are in.

I'm in the "leverage this asset as fully as possible" camp. If management doesn't foresee us being competitive until 2014 or later, I'd prefer to find a trading partner sooner rather than later. If having him for 2012 just means we'll lose 90 games instead of 95 (or whatever), there's really no reason not to at least explore trade possibilities. It's really just a more pronounced version of the Marshall trade; if you're not in a position to fully utilize an asset, you find a way to get something in return that you will be ready when you are.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm fully in the "don't trade him" camp

 

I'm in the don't trade him unless someone is willing to make a ridiculous, top prospect filled offer. Luckily, that's the same camp that Epstein and Hoyer are in.

I'm in the "leverage this asset as fully as possible" camp. If management doesn't foresee us being competitive until 2014 or later, I'd prefer to find a trading partner sooner rather than later. If having him for 2012 just means we'll lose 90 games instead of 95 (or whatever), there's really no reason not to at least explore trade possibilities. It's really just a more pronounced version of the Marshall trade; if you're not in a position to fully utilize an asset, you find a way to get something in return that you will be ready when you are.

 

Having Garza in 2012 is an asset for 2014.