Re: What would you deal Garza for?

[Sammy Sofa]

He's not part of a future

 

Explain.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He's not part of a future

 

Explain.

 

By the time this team is ready to compete, he'll be at least 31, and either government or corporate death panels will have him executed.

[Guest]

He's not part of a future

 

Explain.

 

The Cubs aren't going to compete until at least 2040.

[Rizzo Smash]

He's not part of a future

 

Explain.

This is the prime of his career in my opinion and this is a 90 loss team. I don't see the Cubs competing for the playoffs until 2014 at the earliest where he will be 31 and by the time we're competing for a World Series hopefully he'll be 34. Right now his trade value is at it's highest point and the Tigers are currently desperate for some pitching with the struggles that Rick Porcello and Max Scherzer have had lately. If we could get a 20 year old Jacob Turner and a few other young pieces (preferably pitching) for Garza, you need to take that deal. I love Garza but we need to trade him while his value is at it's highest.

[Sammy Sofa]

The Cubs could realistically be playoff-competitive next year. Declaring when they'll be "competing for a World Series" like that's an exact science seems like a faulty justification to move a guy they should only trade if they get an amazing haul in return.

 

And he'll be 30 for the 2014 season.

Edited April 30, 2012 by Sammy Sofa

[Guest]

He's not part of a future

 

Explain.

This is the prime of his career in my opinion and this is a 90 loss team. I don't see the Cubs competing for the playoffs until 2014 at the earliest where he will be 31 and by the time we're competing for a World Series hopefully he'll be 34. Right now his trade value is at it's highest point and the Tigers are currently desperate for some pitching with the struggles that Rick Porcello and Max Scherzer have had lately. If we could get a 20 year old Jacob Turner and a few other young pieces (preferably pitching) for Garza, you need to take that deal. I love Garza but we need to trade him while his value is at it's highest.

 

The Jacob Turner who missed a month earlier this season with a shoulder injury?

 

A 30-year old Garza is more likely to play a pivotal role in a 2014 Cubs playoff team (if it takes them that long to be a playoff team) then the pitching prospects you'd get in a trade for him.

[Guest]

The Cubs could realistically be playoff-competitive next year. Declaring when they'll be "competing for a World Series" like that's an exact science seems like a faulty justification to move a guy they should only trade if they get an amazing haul in return.

 

And he'll be 30 for the 2014 season.

 

The moment they are competing for the playoffs they are competing for a World Series.

 

I'm still amazed at how many people act like the playoffs aren't a crap shoot.

 

Dan Bernstein does this [expletive] all the time. Always talking about whether teams are doing things to "WIN the World Series" like it's some sort of rarefied air. If you're ready to sneak into the playoffs via a wild card and a one game playoff, you're pretty much ready to win the [expletive] World Series.

[El Duderino]

I'm still amazed at how many people act like the playoffs aren't a crap shoot.

 

they must have missed last year.

[Sosa21MVP]

The Cubs could realistically be playoff-competitive next year. Declaring when they'll be "competing for a World Series" like that's an exact science seems like a faulty justification to move a guy they should only trade if they get an amazing haul in return.

 

And he'll be 30 for the 2014 season.

 

The moment they are competing for the playoffs they are competing for a World Series.

 

I'm still amazed at how many people act like the playoffs aren't a crap shoot.

 

Dan Bernstein does this [expletive] all the time. Always talking about whether teams are doing things to "WIN the World Series" like it's some sort of rarefied air. If you're ready to sneak into the playoffs via a wild card and a one game playoff, you're pretty much ready to win the [expletive] World Series.

 

Absolutely agree. I mean if nothing else the shitty ass teams the Cardinals fielded in 2006 and 2011 are enough proof to me.

[Guest]

The Cubs could realistically be playoff-competitive next year. Declaring when they'll be "competing for a World Series" like that's an exact science seems like a faulty justification to move a guy they should only trade if they get an amazing haul in return.

 

And he'll be 30 for the 2014 season.

 

The moment they are competing for the playoffs they are competing for a World Series.

 

I'm still amazed at how many people act like the playoffs aren't a crap shoot.

 

Dan Bernstein does this [expletive] all the time. Always talking about whether teams are doing things to "WIN the World Series" like it's some sort of rarefied air. If you're ready to sneak into the playoffs via a wild card and a one game playoff, you're pretty much ready to win the [expletive] World Series.

 

You'd think when the Cubs' biggest rival is the biggest beneficiary of this (twice!), people here wouldn't have a problem understanding this concept.

[Sosa21MVP]

The Cubs could realistically be playoff-competitive next year. Declaring when they'll be "competing for a World Series" like that's an exact science seems like a faulty justification to move a guy they should only trade if they get an amazing haul in return.

 

And he'll be 30 for the 2014 season.

 

The moment they are competing for the playoffs they are competing for a World Series.

 

I'm still amazed at how many people act like the playoffs aren't a crap shoot.

 

Dan Bernstein does this [expletive] all the time. Always talking about whether teams are doing things to "WIN the World Series" like it's some sort of rarefied air. If you're ready to sneak into the playoffs via a wild card and a one game playoff, you're pretty much ready to win the [expletive] World Series.

 

 

You'd think when the Cubs' biggest rival is the biggest beneficiary of this (twice!), people here wouldn't have a problem understanding this concept.

 

Hah, we pretty much posted the exact same thought within a minute. :hello:

[Guest]

The Cubs could realistically be playoff-competitive next year. Declaring when they'll be "competing for a World Series" like that's an exact science seems like a faulty justification to move a guy they should only trade if they get an amazing haul in return.

 

And he'll be 30 for the 2014 season.

 

The moment they are competing for the playoffs they are competing for a World Series.

 

I'm still amazed at how many people act like the playoffs aren't a crap shoot.

 

Dan Bernstein does this [expletive] all the time. Always talking about whether teams are doing things to "WIN the World Series" like it's some sort of rarefied air. If you're ready to sneak into the playoffs via a wild card and a one game playoff, you're pretty much ready to win the [expletive] World Series.

 

You'd think when the Cubs' biggest rival is the biggest beneficiary of this (twice!), people here wouldn't have a problem understanding this concept.

 

Not to mention the 2008 Cubs toying with the league all year and then getting swept in the NLDS.

[javy knows my name]

The Cubs could realistically be playoff-competitive next year. Declaring when they'll be "competing for a World Series" like that's an exact science seems like a faulty justification to move a guy they should only trade if they get an amazing haul in return.

 

And he'll be 30 for the 2014 season.

 

The moment they are competing for the playoffs they are competing for a World Series.

 

I'm still amazed at how many people act like the playoffs aren't a crap shoot.

 

Dan Bernstein does this [expletive] all the time. Always talking about whether teams are doing things to "WIN the World Series" like it's some sort of rarefied air. If you're ready to sneak into the playoffs via a wild card and a one game playoff, you're pretty much ready to win the [expletive] World Series.

 

You'd think when the Cubs' biggest rival is the biggest beneficiary of this (twice!), people here wouldn't have a problem understanding this concept.

 

Hah, well said. That said, I don't think it's fair to level this criticism at Nuts. He's always very bullish on our short-term outlook, and for good reason.

[Sosa21MVP]

The Cubs could realistically be playoff-competitive next year. Declaring when they'll be "competing for a World Series" like that's an exact science seems like a faulty justification to move a guy they should only trade if they get an amazing haul in return.

 

And he'll be 30 for the 2014 season.

 

The moment they are competing for the playoffs they are competing for a World Series.

 

I'm still amazed at how many people act like the playoffs aren't a crap shoot.

 

Dan Bernstein does this [expletive] all the time. Always talking about whether teams are doing things to "WIN the World Series" like it's some sort of rarefied air. If you're ready to sneak into the playoffs via a wild card and a one game playoff, you're pretty much ready to win the [expletive] World Series.

 

You'd think when the Cubs' biggest rival is the biggest beneficiary of this (twice!), people here wouldn't have a problem understanding this concept.

 

Not to mention the 2008 Cubs toying with the league all year and then getting swept in the NLDS.

 

That drove it home for me. I had zero doubt that Cubs team was going to win it. Which looks foolish in hindsight obviously...then compare to the 2003 team which won a playoff series and was one win away from the World Series. That team was like 51-53 at one point and I never thought they had a chance. And it was that team that almost got there.

[Guest]

The Cubs could realistically be playoff-competitive next year. Declaring when they'll be "competing for a World Series" like that's an exact science seems like a faulty justification to move a guy they should only trade if they get an amazing haul in return.

 

And he'll be 30 for the 2014 season.

 

The moment they are competing for the playoffs they are competing for a World Series.

 

I'm still amazed at how many people act like the playoffs aren't a crap shoot.

 

Dan Bernstein does this [expletive] all the time. Always talking about whether teams are doing things to "WIN the World Series" like it's some sort of rarefied air. If you're ready to sneak into the playoffs via a wild card and a one game playoff, you're pretty much ready to win the [expletive] World Series.

 

You'd think when the Cubs' biggest rival is the biggest beneficiary of this (twice!), people here wouldn't have a problem understanding this concept.

 

Hah, well said. That said, I don't think it's fair to level this criticism at Nuts. He's always very bullish on our short-term outlook, and for good reason.

 

I wasn't really directing it at him. I was sort of agreeing with him and adding on. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

[Sosa21MVP]

The Cubs could realistically be playoff-competitive next year. Declaring when they'll be "competing for a World Series" like that's an exact science seems like a faulty justification to move a guy they should only trade if they get an amazing haul in return.

 

And he'll be 30 for the 2014 season.

 

The moment they are competing for the playoffs they are competing for a World Series.

 

I'm still amazed at how many people act like the playoffs aren't a crap shoot.

 

Dan Bernstein does this [expletive] all the time. Always talking about whether teams are doing things to "WIN the World Series" like it's some sort of rarefied air. If you're ready to sneak into the playoffs via a wild card and a one game playoff, you're pretty much ready to win the [expletive] World Series.

 

You'd think when the Cubs' biggest rival is the biggest beneficiary of this (twice!), people here wouldn't have a problem understanding this concept.

 

Hah, well said. That said, I don't think it's fair to level this criticism at Nuts. He's always very bullish on our short-term outlook, and for good reason.

 

What? Nuts isn't the one being targeted here.

[A New Era]

With a big FA signing and shark continuing to progress. Having Garza also means we could reasonably expect to be pretty competitive in 2013 and very competitive in 2014. If we trade garza, you can pretty much wave goodbye to any competitiveness until 2015.

[javy knows my name]

The Cubs could realistically be playoff-competitive next year. Declaring when they'll be "competing for a World Series" like that's an exact science seems like a faulty justification to move a guy they should only trade if they get an amazing haul in return.

 

And he'll be 30 for the 2014 season.

 

The moment they are competing for the playoffs they are competing for a World Series.

 

I'm still amazed at how many people act like the playoffs aren't a crap shoot.

 

Dan Bernstein does this [expletive] all the time. Always talking about whether teams are doing things to "WIN the World Series" like it's some sort of rarefied air. If you're ready to sneak into the playoffs via a wild card and a one game playoff, you're pretty much ready to win the [expletive] World Series.

 

You'd think when the Cubs' biggest rival is the biggest beneficiary of this (twice!), people here wouldn't have a problem understanding this concept.

 

Ah hell, you're right. Poor attention to detail.

Hah, well said. That said, I don't think it's fair to level this criticism at Nuts. He's always very bullish on our short-term outlook, and for good reason.

 

What? Nuts isn't the one being targeted here.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, I didn't take it as such; I totally agree with the idea that all it takes is getting into the postseason. I thought it was silly that the guy thought that the Cubs being able to make the playoffs and being able to win the WS were two separate things.

[hawkeyecub]

Dan Bernstein does this [expletive] all the time. Always talking about whether teams are doing things to "WIN the World Series" like it's some sort of rarefied air. If you're ready to sneak into the playoffs via a wild card and a one game playoff, you're pretty much ready to win the [expletive] World Series.

 

Really? I hear him do that with the NBA and NFL but he always seems to acknowledge that the MLB playoffs are a crapshoot.

[Guest]

Dan Bernstein does this [expletive] all the time. Always talking about whether teams are doing things to "WIN the World Series" like it's some sort of rarefied air. If you're ready to sneak into the playoffs via a wild card and a one game playoff, you're pretty much ready to win the [expletive] World Series.

 

Really? I hear him do that with the NBA and NFL but he always seems to acknowledge that the MLB playoffs are a crapshoot.

 

He does when talking specifically about the MLB playoffs... then he'll go back to applying it to the Cubs and Sox like any other sport. He did it all offseason with the Cubs when arguing against them going after big time talents.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

I'm still amazed at how many people act like the playoffs aren't a crap shoot.

 

they must have missed last year.

 

Or the past decade minus 2009.

[17 Seconds]

extend this man

[mookie]

Wait and see if a team will be desperate enough to overpay. There is no harm in waiting a little while longer. A nice trade would greatly benefit the Cubs.

[abuck1220]

i like the idea that the cubs will be playoff-ready in 2014, but not WORLD SERIES WINNING ready until 3 years after that. you really need three practice runs in the playoffs before you can even THINK about winning the world series.