Who will be the manager? Quade Fired (pg 15)

[davearm2]

Pujols Cubs Jersey's however would be huge.

Merchandise revenues are shared by all 30 teams. For every Cubs Pujols jersey sold, the Cards will get as much $ as the Cubs.

 

(AFAIK It's not 100% that simple, but basically that's the case.)

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Pujols Cubs Jersey's however would be huge.

Merchandise revenues are shared by all 30 teams. For every Cubs Pujols jersey sold, the Cards will get as much $ as the Cubs.

 

(AFAIK It's not 100% that simple, but basically that's the case.)

I believe it really is that simple when it comes to merchandise.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Pujols Cubs Jersey's however would be huge.

Merchandise revenues are shared by all 30 teams. For every Cubs Pujols jersey sold, the Cards will get as much $ as the Cubs.

 

(AFAIK It's not 100% that simple, but basically that's the case.)

I believe it really is that simple when it comes to merchandise.

 

IIRC, teams get to keep the revenue on merchandise sold in their own stores, but general merchandising goes into the general fund.

[shnsajax]

Pujols Cubs Jersey's however would be huge.

Merchandise revenues are shared by all 30 teams. For every Cubs Pujols jersey sold, the Cards will get as much $ as the Cubs.

 

(AFAIK It's not 100% that simple, but basically that's the case.)

I believe it really is that simple when it comes to merchandise.

 

IIRC, teams get to keep the revenue on merchandise sold in their own stores, but general merchandising goes into the general fund.

 

This is true, but the amount of increase in sales the 1st year will be massive vs. the what the project # of sales in a Cardinals jersey. I'm not saying the Cubs will generate a revenue stream due to this. It would just be nice to see.

[brinoch]

Think about the power potential should Pujols comes to the Cubs. Bottling the tears of Cards fans and harnessing the energy released by the wholesale burning of old Pujols gear would probably provide enough power to make America energy independent. This needs to happen. For the kids. For the future!

[davearm2]

Pujols Cubs Jersey's however would be huge.

Merchandise revenues are shared by all 30 teams. For every Cubs Pujols jersey sold, the Cards will get as much $ as the Cubs.

 

(AFAIK It's not 100% that simple, but basically that's the case.)

I believe it really is that simple when it comes to merchandise.

 

IIRC, teams get to keep the revenue on merchandise sold in their own stores, but general merchandising goes into the general fund.

That's my recollection too.

[North Iowa Cub]

"i don't want ryno to be the manager, because all i hear on sports radio is people who want ryno to be manager"

 

This argument in particular doesn't make any sense to me. As a fan, why wouldn't you want a manager who would bring in fan support and revenue streams that would allow your team's owner to field a huge payroll and aquire more premium talent?

 

Oh, because of some deluded and largely self imagined sense of superiority over other fans? It's amazing to me how seemingly grown and rational adults still cling to "jocks vs. geeks vs. nerds vs. stoners" pre-teen junior high school tribalism.

 

What sort of fan support do you really think Ryno is going to bring in?

 

I'm guessing none. What kind of revenue streams can a manager create? I mean Ryno would bank being a spokesmen for products and [expletive], but a fan doesn't buy a ticket because of a manager.

 

I was actually invited to an Iowa Cubs game and told I should go so I could see Sandberg manage. I would not pay to go see a manager, but I bet there are plenty of... what should we call them... meatheads perhaps that would.

[jersey cubs fan]

I was actually invited to an Iowa Cubs game and told I should go so I could see Sandberg manage. I would not pay to go see a manager, but I bet there are plenty of... what should we call them... meatheads perhaps that would.

 

Minor league teams sell tickets with gimmicks.

 

It's not going to change the numbers of tickets the Chicago Cubs sell.

[CUBZ99]

"i don't want ryno to be the manager, because all i hear on sports radio is people who want ryno to be manager"

 

This argument in particular doesn't make any sense to me. As a fan, why wouldn't you want a manager who would bring in fan support and revenue streams that would allow your team's owner to field a huge payroll and aquire more premium talent?

 

Oh, because of some deluded and largely self imagined sense of superiority over other fans? It's amazing to me how seemingly grown and rational adults still cling to "jocks vs. geeks vs. nerds vs. stoners" pre-teen junior high school tribalism.

 

What sort of fan support do you really think Ryno is going to bring in?

 

I'm guessing none. What kind of revenue streams can a manager create? I mean Ryno would bank being a spokesmen for products and [expletive], but a fan doesn't buy a ticket because of a manager.

 

I was actually invited to an Iowa Cubs game and told I should go so I could see Sandberg manage. I would not pay to go see a manager, but I bet there are plenty of... what should we call them... meatheads perhaps that would.

 

The line to get Ryno's autograph prior to the games at Iowa was typically very long and the games I attended he sat by the dugout for 30-45 mins and attempted to sign for everyone. He was very popular. I have no doubt that he had a positive impact on attendance and the I-Cubs revenue stream that year.

 

In regard to any potential effect he would have on the big league club, I agree that it would likely be negligible, but I think the signing would create goodwill with the older fans that remember his playing days.

[jersey cubs fan]

In regard to any potential effect he would have on the big league club, I agree that it would likely be negligible, but I think the signing would create goodwill with the older fans that remember his playing days.

 

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THAT OLD TO REMEMBER HIS PLAYING DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rob]

In regard to any potential effect he would have on the big league club, I agree that it would likely be negligible, but I think the signing would create goodwill with the older fans that remember his playing days.

 

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THAT OLD TO REMEMBER HIS PLAYING DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I'm only 27 and I very vividly remember his playing days.

[bukie]

In regard to any potential effect he would have on the big league club, I agree that it would likely be negligible, but I think the signing would create goodwill with the older fans that remember his playing days.

 

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THAT OLD TO REMEMBER HIS PLAYING DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, the guy retired for good after 1997. Anybody over the age of 18 is old enough to remember at least a bit of his playing days.

[Rob]

I will say that my recollection of his was never as the big basestealing threat he apparently was in his younger days. I always liked him more for his power than his speed. But that makes sense, he had 5 season of 30 or more steals (and one with 54, I was shocked to see), but they all happened before my 2nd birthday.

[Guest]

Im 28 and only remember 1996-97 sandberg and other than him passing joe Morgan, nothing really stands out about that period other than my disappointment that he wasn't awesome and looked really old. I also remember some hr he hit in Montreal.

 

 

Of course, that's because I didn't care for baseball or sports prior to 1995.

[XZero771679666304]

I'm not that old and the Ryno I remember most is 1989-90 Ryno. Winning the division, leading the league in homers, the consecutive GG streak and even becoming the highest paid player in baseball history for a brief period (@ about 7MM per, lol).

 

I barely remember 1984, but I was pretty little then.

[CUBZ99]

In regard to any potential effect he would have on the big league club, I agree that it would likely be negligible, but I think the signing would create goodwill with the older fans that remember his playing days.

 

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THAT OLD TO REMEMBER HIS PLAYING DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Hahaha I realize that, but there is a new generation of fans(including my kids) that don't remember his playing days and didn't see him play.

[jersey cubs fan]

In regard to any potential effect he would have on the big league club, I agree that it would likely be negligible, but I think the signing would create goodwill with the older fans that remember his playing days.

 

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THAT OLD TO REMEMBER HIS PLAYING DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Hahaha I realize that, but there is a new generation of fans(including my kids) that don't remember his playing days and didn't see him play.

 

The older fans you will create goodwill with are the 50 and 60 years olds. There's really not much business sense in doing that. If you are investing in goodwill you do that with the younger crowd. But the Cubs should be entirely about the best team, they have no use for goodwill at this stage of the game.

[Backtobanks]

If you want to create goodwill with us older fans, you need to sign Ernie Banks. LOL

[seanimal]

wtf is goodwill?

[davearm2]

wtf is goodwill?

The place you take all your junk and write it off on your taxes later.

[CUBZ99]

In regard to any potential effect he would have on the big league club, I agree that it would likely be negligible, but I think the signing would create goodwill with the older fans that remember his playing days.

 

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THAT OLD TO REMEMBER HIS PLAYING DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Hahaha I realize that, but there is a new generation of fans(including my kids) that don't remember his playing days and didn't see him play.

 

The older fans you will create goodwill with are the 50 and 60 years olds. There's really not much business sense in doing that. If you are investing in goodwill you do that with the younger crowd. But the Cubs should be entirely about the best team, they have no use for goodwill at this stage of the game.

 

I agree.

[Elrhino]

I just have yet to hear any argument as to how Ryne Sandberg as manager would negatively effect the Cubs winning games. Especially if he's going by organizational guidelines in regards to things like pitcher usage.

 

The arguments I've heard so far is ...

 

He made a comment that he liked to play the game the "right way" (as opposed to?)

 

"Meathead" fans like him, and we're supposed to hate that because our tribe is different/better from their tribe.

[Guest]

I just have yet to hear any argument as to how Ryne Sandberg as manager would negatively effect the Cubs winning games.

 

This is the classic strawman when it comes to Sandberg. I can answer that question, but you really should be asking yourself the inverse. Aside from being a very good Cubs player, what qualifies him to be a MLB manager? He's been in coaching for only 5 years, has never coached at the MLB level, and his playing career is mainly the highlight when bringing up his qualifications. As to your original question, there's a list of reasons I don't think hiring Sandberg is a good idea. For one, his philosophy towards the game, based on his quotes to the media(as a manager, HOF speech, etc), articles he's written for Yahoo, and the actual track record as a manager, is not one that I think is optimal in a manager. It reflects the type of overbearing manager that hurts the team by trying to press buttons with steals, hit and runs, and bunts. He isn't bilingual and I haven't heard anything overly positive(or negative for that matter) on his ability to handle latin players. His disposition(based on his ejections in the minors, his self-righteous HOF speech, his quotes on deserving a managerial opportunity, and the rumors of his personality) is not one that I consider to have the requisite humility to deal with players without alienating them when they disagree. In the same way, I'd expect his personality to cause problems in executing the front office's vision when it is not exactly aligned with what Sandberg believes. Are there similarly compelling reasons to think that he would be an effective manager of personalities, and able to execute the front office's vision to the minute detail? I don't believe so.

[CUBZ99]

I just have yet to hear any argument as to how Ryne Sandberg as manager would negatively effect the Cubs winning games.

 

This is the classic strawman when it comes to Sandberg. I can answer that question, but you really should be asking yourself the inverse. Aside from being a very good Cubs player, what qualifies him to be a MLB manager? He's been in coaching for only 5 years, has never coached at the MLB level, and his playing career is mainly the highlight when bringing up his qualifications. As to your original question, there's a list of reasons I don't think hiring Sandberg is a good idea. For one, his philosophy towards the game, based on his quotes to the media(as a manager, HOF speech, etc), articles he's written for Yahoo, and the actual track record as a manager, is not one that I think is optimal in a manager. It reflects the type of overbearing manager that hurts the team by trying to press buttons with steals, hit and runs, and bunts. He isn't bilingual and I haven't heard anything overly positive(or negative for that matter) on his ability to handle latin players. His disposition(based on his ejections in the minors, his self-righteous HOF speech, his quotes on deserving a managerial opportunity, and the rumors of his personality) is not one that I consider to have the requisite humility to deal with players without alienating them when they disagree. In the same way, I'd expect his personality to cause problems in executing the front office's vision when it is not exactly aligned with what Sandberg believes. Are there similarly compelling reasons to think that he would be an effective manager of personalities, and able to execute the front office's vision to the minute detail? I don't believe so.

 

I'm not advocating for Sandberg, but that is a weak argument. We don't have any idea of what the directives given to him in the minors are. From everything we have heard from any player that has played for him they liked him and appreciated greatly his coaching skills. Even though it is not as important in the minors, his teams always seemed to do well. He stressed fundamentals (something greatly lacking on the big league team) and held his players accountable. I think it has been proved over and over, despite the false perception on this board that the small ball stuff was greatly exaggerated. The actual statistics showed that his teams bunted about the same amount of times as other teams in every league he has coached in. Most of the criticism is based on his HOF speech and yahoo articles, but his actual coaching body of work is nowhere near as bad as it is portrayed.

 

TT as someone who uses statistics, please provide statistics that show any of these accusations that your are leveling against Sandberg.

[treebird]

I just have yet to hear any argument as to how Ryne Sandberg as manager would negatively effect the Cubs winning games.

 

This is the classic strawman when it comes to Sandberg. I can answer that question, but you really should be asking yourself the inverse. Aside from being a very good Cubs player, what qualifies him to be a MLB manager? He's been in coaching for only 5 years, has never coached at the MLB level, and his playing career is mainly the highlight when bringing up his qualifications. As to your original question, there's a list of reasons I don't think hiring Sandberg is a good idea. For one, his philosophy towards the game, based on his quotes to the media(as a manager, HOF speech, etc), articles he's written for Yahoo, and the actual track record as a manager, is not one that I think is optimal in a manager. It reflects the type of overbearing manager that hurts the team by trying to press buttons with steals, hit and runs, and bunts. He isn't bilingual and I haven't heard anything overly positive(or negative for that matter) on his ability to handle latin players. His disposition(based on his ejections in the minors, his self-righteous HOF speech, his quotes on deserving a managerial opportunity, and the rumors of his personality) is not one that I consider to have the requisite humility to deal with players without alienating them when they disagree. In the same way, I'd expect his personality to cause problems in executing the front office's vision when it is not exactly aligned with what Sandberg believes. Are there similarly compelling reasons to think that he would be an effective manager of personalities, and able to execute the front office's vision to the minute detail? I don't believe so.

 

I'm not advocating for Sandberg, but that is a weak argument. We don't have any idea of what the directives given to him in the minors are. From everything we have heard from any player that has played for him they liked him and appreciated greatly his coaching skills. Even though it is not as important in the minors, his teams always seemed to do well. He stressed fundamentals (something greatly lacking on the big league team) and held his players accountable. I think it has been proved over and over, despite the false perception on this board that the small ball stuff was greatly exaggerated. The actual statistics showed that his teams bunted about the same amount of times as other teams in every league he has coached in. Most of the criticism is based on his HOF speech and yahoo articles, but his actual coaching body of work is nowhere near as bad as it is portrayed.

 

TT as someone who uses statistics, please provide statistics that show any of these accusations that your are leveling against Sandberg.

 

his HoF speech put up a 68 mEQA+, thus putting him over 30 percent below the average manager's speech

 

seriously though, what numbers do you think he is going to come back and post? where are your numbers, if this is somehow the standard?