Who will be the manager? Quade Fired (pg 15)

[erik316wttn]

If we set aside the smallball stuff (which we can't even definitively say Sandberg would ascribe to at the bigleague level), I can see Sandberg fitting well with a lot of the organization-building principles Epstein emphasizes. If ever there was a "do things the right way" player, it was Sandberg, and he'll surely hold people accountable.

 

Personally, my fear with Sandberg is that his personality would be too overbearing to play well in a clubhouse full of veteran guys.

 

I really don't think you can say that he wouldn't ascribe to small ball at this level. Why would he suddenly change his baseball philosophy upon getting a big league managing job?

[mul21]

If we set aside the smallball stuff (which we can't even definitively say Sandberg would ascribe to at the bigleague level), I can see Sandberg fitting well with a lot of the organization-building principles Epstein emphasizes. If ever there was a "do things the right way" player, it was Sandberg, and he'll surely hold people accountable.

 

Personally, my fear with Sandberg is that his personality would be too overbearing to play well in a clubhouse full of veteran guys.

 

I really don't think you can say that he wouldn't ascribe to small ball at this level. Why would he suddenly change his baseball philosophy upon getting a big league managing job?

 

Not that I necessarily think he would, but a pretty simple thought on that would be that he was doing as he was told at the minor league level and trying to teach guys fundamentals when it doesn't necessarily matter if you win every game. All those things that everybody wants players to do when they get to the majors, they had to learn somewhere, and that may result in a little more small ball being played in the minors so they learn how to do that stuff.

[erik316wttn]

If we set aside the smallball stuff (which we can't even definitively say Sandberg would ascribe to at the bigleague level), I can see Sandberg fitting well with a lot of the organization-building principles Epstein emphasizes. If ever there was a "do things the right way" player, it was Sandberg, and he'll surely hold people accountable.

 

Personally, my fear with Sandberg is that his personality would be too overbearing to play well in a clubhouse full of veteran guys.

 

I really don't think you can say that he wouldn't ascribe to small ball at this level. Why would he suddenly change his baseball philosophy upon getting a big league managing job?

 

Not that I necessarily think he would, but a pretty simple thought on that would be that he was doing as he was told at the minor league level and trying to teach guys fundamentals when it doesn't necessarily matter if you win every game. All those things that everybody wants players to do when they get to the majors, they had to learn somewhere, and that may result in a little more small ball being played in the minors so they learn how to do that stuff.

 

I guess if this is the case I could see it. But I don't think it is, and part of that is because Ryno has even said outside of managing that he believes in playing the game the right way. See his Hall of Fame induction speech, when he said something to the effect of "When did it become ok to just hit home runs and forget how to play the rest of the game?"

[dfnowak]

I just don't get the campaign for Sandberg. Why is he more qualified than any other candidate? Just b/c he played a HOF career w/the Cubs? So what if he's had success managing in the minors...it doesn't automatically translate to success at the major league level. If he's such a hot manager candidate, why hasn't any other team even as much as interviewed him for their position? I would much rather see him get experience as a major league bench coach before I'd feel comfortable hiring him as manager. Managing in the major leagues is a much different animal than managing in the minors.

 

B/c of how annoying this Sandberg-for-manager campaign has become, I am rooting for him not to become the next manager

[dfnowak]

I just don't get the campaign for Sandberg. Why is he more qualified than any other candidate? Just b/c he played a HOF career w/the Cubs? So what if he's had success managing in the minors...it doesn't automatically translate to success at the major league level. If he's such a hot manager candidate, why hasn't any other team even as much as interviewed him for their position? I would much rather see him get experience as a major league bench coach before I'd feel comfortable hiring him as manager. Managing in the major leagues is a much different animal than managing in the minors.

 

B/c of how annoying this Sandberg-for-manager campaign has become, I am rooting for him not to become the next manager

But I guess if it's what Theo wants, I can reluctantly get behind it though.

[davearm2]

If we set aside the smallball stuff (which we can't even definitively say Sandberg would ascribe to at the bigleague level), I can see Sandberg fitting well with a lot of the organization-building principles Epstein emphasizes. If ever there was a "do things the right way" player, it was Sandberg, and he'll surely hold people accountable.

 

Personally, my fear with Sandberg is that his personality would be too overbearing to play well in a clubhouse full of veteran guys.

 

I really don't think you can say that he wouldn't ascribe to small ball at this level. Why would he suddenly change his baseball philosophy upon getting a big league managing job?

mul21 pretty much nailed what I was going to say.

 

The reason to think Sandberg's managerial tendencies could change significantly would be because of the shift to prioritizing winning over development.

[davearm2]

I just don't get the campaign for Sandberg. Why is he more qualified than any other candidate? Just b/c he played a HOF career w/the Cubs? So what if he's had success managing in the minors...it doesn't automatically translate to success at the major league level. If he's such a hot manager candidate, why hasn't any other team even as much as interviewed him for their position? I would much rather see him get experience as a major league bench coach before I'd feel comfortable hiring him as manager. Managing in the major leagues is a much different animal than managing in the minors.

 

B/c of how annoying this Sandberg-for-manager campaign has become, I am rooting for him not to become the next manager

I don't think there's any campaign, at least not on this board.

 

There's one camp that thinks he'd be terrible.

 

There's another camp that thinks, well maybe not.

 

I don't think he's at the top of anyone here's list, though.

[dfnowak]

I just don't get the campaign for Sandberg. Why is he more qualified than any other candidate? Just b/c he played a HOF career w/the Cubs? So what if he's had success managing in the minors...it doesn't automatically translate to success at the major league level. If he's such a hot manager candidate, why hasn't any other team even as much as interviewed him for their position? I would much rather see him get experience as a major league bench coach before I'd feel comfortable hiring him as manager. Managing in the major leagues is a much different animal than managing in the minors.

 

B/c of how annoying this Sandberg-for-manager campaign has become, I am rooting for him not to become the next manager

I don't think there's any campaign, at least not on this board.

 

There's one camp that thinks he'd be terrible.

 

There's another camp that thinks, well maybe not.

 

I don't think he's at the top of anyone here's list, though.

I'm more or less talking about the media. And then I hear a lot of people voicing their Sandberg love on sports talk radio. I do agree that the prevailing opinion on here (although not 100%) is not in support of Sandberg for manager.

[Magnetic Curses]

I just don't get the campaign for Sandberg. Why is he more qualified than any other candidate? Just b/c he played a HOF career w/the Cubs? So what if he's had success managing in the minors...it doesn't automatically translate to success at the major league level. If he's such a hot manager candidate, why hasn't any other team even as much as interviewed him for their position? I would much rather see him get experience as a major league bench coach before I'd feel comfortable hiring him as manager. Managing in the major leagues is a much different animal than managing in the minors.

 

B/c of how annoying this Sandberg-for-manager campaign has become, I am rooting for him not to become the next manager

But I guess if it's what Theo wants, I can reluctantly get behind it though.

 

you give managers way too much credit. ryno will be fine because he has a guy in the front office who knows what he's doing, any manager will look like a genius with theo pulling the strings.

 

read the moneyball chapter about art howe. i just want a manager that looks the part.

[XZero771679666304]

I just don't get the campaign for Sandberg. Why is he more qualified than any other candidate? Just b/c he played a HOF career w/the Cubs? So what if he's had success managing in the minors...it doesn't automatically translate to success at the major league level. If he's such a hot manager candidate, why hasn't any other team even as much as interviewed him for their position? I would much rather see him get experience as a major league bench coach before I'd feel comfortable hiring him as manager. Managing in the major leagues is a much different animal than managing in the minors.

 

B/c of how annoying this Sandberg-for-manager campaign has become, I am rooting for him not to become the next manager

But I guess if it's what Theo wants, I can reluctantly get behind it though.

 

you give managers way too much credit. ryno will be fine because he has a guy in the front office who knows what he's doing, any manager will look like a genius with theo pulling the strings.

 

read the moneyball chapter about art howe. i just want a manager that looks the part.

 

I agree. With the right people constructing the roster, the damage Sandberg could do would be minimized. With the rosters Hendry constructed, not so much. I'm pretty indifferent about him under the current circumstances, and it would be great for PR.

[seanimal]

"i don't want ryno to be the manager, because all i hear on sports radio is people who want ryno to be manager"

 

and

 

"ryno isn't qualified as a manager, because if he was, he would be a manager"

 

=/= sense

 

i guess i'm pretty agnostic on the whole ryne Sandberg as mgr thing, but it seems to me that the fact that this dude quit his job in a hissy fit because he didn't get hired to his stated dream job probably doesn't inspire confidence in other teams as to their ability to draw long-term commitment from him.

[Scotti]

If we set aside the smallball stuff (which we can't even definitively say Sandberg would ascribe to at the bigleague level), I can see Sandberg fitting well with a lot of the organization-building principles Epstein emphasizes. If ever there was a "do things the right way" player, it was Sandberg, and he'll surely hold people accountable.

 

Personally, my fear with Sandberg is that his personality would be too overbearing to play well in a clubhouse full of veteran guys.

 

I really don't think you can say that he wouldn't ascribe to small ball at this level. Why would he suddenly change his baseball philosophy upon getting a big league managing job?

 

Not that I necessarily think he would, but a pretty simple thought on that would be that he was doing as he was told at the minor league level and trying to teach guys fundamentals when it doesn't necessarily matter if you win every game. All those things that everybody wants players to do when they get to the majors, they had to learn somewhere, and that may result in a little more small ball being played in the minors so they learn how to do that stuff.

 

I guess if this is the case I could see it. But I don't think it is, and part of that is because Ryno has even said outside of managing that he believes in playing the game the right way. See his Hall of Fame induction speech, when he said something to the effect of "When did it become ok to just hit home runs and forget how to play the rest of the game?"

 

I sure as heck don't want players who play the wrong way. Good players do need to know how to bunt, hit and run, run the bases, hit the cut off man, etc. Sandberg was NOT implying that hitting HR's is a bad thing--he was a HR hitter! He was merely saying that players should strive to be complete and play clean and not juiced up (admittedly, an issue that many of Theo's players had).

[Elrhino]

"i don't want ryno to be the manager, because all i hear on sports radio is people who want ryno to be manager"

 

This argument in particular doesn't make any sense to me. As a fan, why wouldn't you want a manager who would bring in fan support and revenue streams that would allow your team's owner to field a huge payroll and aquire more premium talent?

 

Oh, because of some deluded and largely self imagined sense of superiority over other fans? It's amazing to me how seemingly grown and rational adults still cling to "jocks vs. geeks vs. nerds vs. stoners" pre-teen junior high school tribalism.

[biittner77]

As a general rule, great players are better off managing a team from a different franchise. Don Mattingly, for example, is much better off not being the manager of the Yankees since he would have zero margin for error due to ridiculous expectations. Conversely, It's OK for Girardi to manage the Yankees because he was a good player that played for other teams and that helps temper expectations.

[Butterscup1679666578]

But Girardi played for the Yankees.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

But Girardi played for the Yankees.

 

And was he really a good player?

[OleMissCub]

But Girardi played for the Yankees.

 

and Ozzie for the ChiSox

[biittner77]

But Girardi played for the Yankees.

 

And was he really a good player?

 

Mattingly was the face of the franchise for a long period of time. Girardi was a complementary player. I should have expressed that difference more clearly.

[jersey cubs fan]

"i don't want ryno to be the manager, because all i hear on sports radio is people who want ryno to be manager"

 

This argument in particular doesn't make any sense to me. As a fan, why wouldn't you want a manager who would bring in fan support and revenue streams that would allow your team's owner to field a huge payroll and aquire more premium talent?

 

Oh, because of some deluded and largely self imagined sense of superiority over other fans? It's amazing to me how seemingly grown and rational adults still cling to "jocks vs. geeks vs. nerds vs. stoners" pre-teen junior high school tribalism.

 

What sort of fan support do you really think Ryno is going to bring in?

[C.C.]

"i don't want ryno to be the manager, because all i hear on sports radio is people who want ryno to be manager"

 

This argument in particular doesn't make any sense to me. As a fan, why wouldn't you want a manager who would bring in fan support and revenue streams that would allow your team's owner to field a huge payroll and aquire more premium talent?

 

Oh, because of some deluded and largely self imagined sense of superiority over other fans? It's amazing to me how seemingly grown and rational adults still cling to "jocks vs. geeks vs. nerds vs. stoners" pre-teen junior high school tribalism.

 

What sort of fan support do you really think Ryno is going to bring in?

 

I'm guessing none. What kind of revenue streams can a manager create? I mean Ryno would bank being a spokesmen for products and [expletive], but a fan doesn't buy a ticket because of a manager.

[Elrhino]

"i don't want ryno to be the manager, because all i hear on sports radio is people who want ryno to be manager"

 

This argument in particular doesn't make any sense to me. As a fan, why wouldn't you want a manager who would bring in fan support and revenue streams that would allow your team's owner to field a huge payroll and aquire more premium talent?

 

Oh, because of some deluded and largely self imagined sense of superiority over other fans? It's amazing to me how seemingly grown and rational adults still cling to "jocks vs. geeks vs. nerds vs. stoners" pre-teen junior high school tribalism.

 

What sort of fan support do you really think Ryno is going to bring in?

 

I'm guessing none. What kind of revenue streams can a manager create? I mean Ryno would bank being a spokesmen for products and [expletive], but a fan doesn't buy a ticket because of a manager.

 

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vtg-80s-Chicago-Cubs-1989-BOYS-ZIMMER-t-shirt-M-tee-/14/!BuuMut!CWk~$(KGrHqIOKioEvNh,,wdGBMBeTh0zng~~_35.JPG

 

Will a consumer buy a crappy product because of the spokesman or name attatched to the brand? No. But all things equal, it doesn't hurt to have a likeable and popular personality attached to your brand. Advertising execs do it for a reason.

 

I'm curious, if a manager is using Theo's organizational guidelines, how much effect do you think he's going to have on the team one way or another?

[jersey cubs fan]

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vtg-80s-Chicago-Cubs-1989-BOYS-ZIMMER-t-shirt-M-tee-/14/!BuuMut!CWk~$(KGrHqIOKioEvNh,,wdGBMBeTh0zng~~_35.JPG

 

Will a consumer buy a crappy product because of the spokesman or name attatched to the brand? No. But all things equal, it doesn't hurt to have a likeable and popular personality attached to your brand. Advertising execs do it for a reason.

 

I'm curious, if a manager is using Theo's organizational guidelines, how much effect do you think he's going to have on the team one way or another?

 

I'm sorry about the Zimmer comparison isn't at all suitable. The Cubs were a moribund franchise in the early 80's. They would struggle to draw 1.5 million. Zimmer didn't sell tickets, a winning team sold tickets. The excitement surrounding the 84 team sold tickets that season, and when it looked like they could get back to that level again they sold more. The Cubs sold 3.0 million last year with a losing team. The stakes have been raised. People are going to buy tickets because they are excited about the opportunity to see Epstein build a winner. Sandberg would only bring in incremental increases at best, and probably zero. This isn't a team that is struggling for attention. They need to put the best team on the field if they want to take the next step.

[C.C.]

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vtg-80s-Chicago-Cubs-1989-BOYS-ZIMMER-t-shirt-M-tee-/14/!BuuMut!CWk~$(KGrHqIOKioEvNh,,wdGBMBeTh0zng~~_35.JPG

 

Will a consumer buy a crappy product because of the spokesman or name attatched to the brand? No. But all things equal, it doesn't hurt to have a likeable and popular personality attached to your brand. Advertising execs do it for a reason.

 

I'm curious, if a manager is using Theo's organizational guidelines, how much effect do you think he's going to have on the team one way or another?

 

I'm sorry about the Zimmer comparison isn't at all suitable. The Cubs were a moribund franchise in the early 80's. They would struggle to draw 1.5 million. Zimmer didn't sell tickets, a winning team sold tickets. The excitement surrounding the 84 team sold tickets that season, and when it looked like they could get back to that level again they sold more. The Cubs sold 3.0 million last year with a losing team. The stakes have been raised. People are going to buy tickets because they are excited about the opportunity to see Epstein build a winner. Sandberg would only bring in incremental increases at best, and probably zero. This isn't a team that is struggling for attention. They need to put the best team on the field if they want to take the next step.

 

Yeah, selling t-Shirts isn't exactly a real revenue stream.

[shnsajax]

Pujols Cubs Jersey's however would be huge.

[seanimal]

"i don't want ryno to be the manager, because all i hear on sports radio is people who want ryno to be manager"

 

This argument in particular doesn't make any sense to me. As a fan, why wouldn't you want a manager who would bring in fan support and revenue streams that would allow your team's owner to field a huge payroll and aquire more premium talent?

 

Oh, because of some deluded and largely self imagined sense of superiority over other fans? It's amazing to me how seemingly grown and rational adults still cling to "jocks vs. geeks vs. nerds vs. stoners" pre-teen junior high school tribalism.

 

the manager's job, first and foremost, is to execute the organization's philosophy for winning baseball games by managing in-game tactics as well as the 25 guys in the clubhouse. whether he puts people in the seats or not is too flimsy and immeasurable of a criterium for selecting the appropriate person.