Who will be the manager? Quade Fired (pg 15)

[Guest]

I'm not sure what you're looking for. Every bit of information from Sandberg himself points to a guy who places undue value on managerial actions. From his HOF speech to the articles he wrote to the instances of him bunting with the heart of his order in Peoria. But again, this is another example of trying to talk around the reasons for "why not?", and never asking "why?". Where is the evidence that Sandberg would be a competent tactician? What are the characteristics that would make us take notice if he had been a .220 hitter, or if he had gone through his playing career with the Mariners?

[Magnetic Curses]

I'm not sure what you're looking for. Every bit of information from Sandberg himself points to a guy who places undue value on managerial actions. From his HOF speech to the articles he wrote to the instances of him bunting with the heart of his order in Peoria. But again, this is another example of trying to talk around the reasons for "why not?", and never asking "why?". Where is the evidence that Sandberg would be a competent tactician? What are the characteristics that would make us take notice if he had been a .220 hitter, or if he had gone through his playing career with the Mariners?

 

i assure you, my reasons are purely superficial. but then again, i don't think ryno would be allowed to do much damage with the cubs.

[CUBZ99]

I'm not sure what you're looking for. Every bit of information from Sandberg himself points to a guy who places undue value on managerial actions. From his HOF speech to the articles he wrote to the instances of him bunting with the heart of his order in Peoria. But again, this is another example of trying to talk around the reasons for "why not?", and never asking "why?". Where is the evidence that Sandberg would be a competent tactician?

 

You take a couple of small insignificant items and try to put him in a box that he doesn't fit in. Show me where his teams play small ball more than other minor league teams. I'm not talking about one or two instances in 5-6 years where he asks a middle of the order batter to bunt. His teams are usually in the middle of the pack as far as bunting and steals.

 

What are the characteristics that would make us take notice if he had been a .220 hitter, or if he had gone through his playing career with the Mariners?

 

Statements from actual players that have played under him? His actual track record in the minors?

[Guest]

I'm not sure what you're looking for. Every bit of information from Sandberg himself points to a guy who places undue value on managerial actions. From his HOF speech to the articles he wrote to the instances of him bunting with the heart of his order in Peoria. But again, this is another example of trying to talk around the reasons for "why not?", and never asking "why?". Where is the evidence that Sandberg would be a competent tactician?

 

You take a couple of small insignificant items and try to put him in a box that he doesn't fit in. Show me where his teams play small ball more than other minor league teams. I'm not talking about one or two instances in 5-6 years where he asks a middle of the order batter to bunt. His teams are usually in the middle of the pack as far as bunting and steals.

 

Fine.

 

2007 - 3rd of 14 teams in SH, 5th of 14 teams in SBA

2008 - 2nd of 14 teams in SH, 7th of 14 teams in SBA

2009 - 2nd of 10 teams in SH, 6th of 10 teams in SBA

2010 - 10th of 16 teams in SH, 6th of 16 teams in SBA

2011 - 9th of 14 teams in SH, 3rd of 14 teams in SBA

 

So you have years of Sandberg being at the least doing more "button pushing" than average, on top of every word that's ever come out of his mouth putting undue importance on those things. And even more overlooked, he hasn't been a part of the MLB game in 15 years and never in a coaching capacity. But because he won a bunch of games with 30 year old AAA players last year, and his players said good things about him like they do for all coaches, he's supposed to be a surefire MLB managerial candidate? No, any advocacy for Sandberg is either willfully ignoring every tendency he's ever had, or trying to explain them away on the hope that it won't be all that bad, simply because of his playing career.

[Rob]

There's a biography of his I have around here somewhere with some pretty damning quotes about how he feels about all those "people with spreadsheets trying to tell me how to play the game. I know how to play the game." (paraphrased, as I don't feel like finding the book)

 

I wouldn't feel comfortable with him as a manager. He may do a fine job of riding young players and trying to keep guys on top of their fundamentals, but his ego is cause for concern in addition to his penchant for all things small ball.

[Sammy Sofa]

Statements from actual players that have played under him? His actual track record in the minors?

 

Oh, so you were ga-ga over Mike Quade then?

[jersey cubs fan]

Statements from actual players that have played under him?

 

This is how every "good baseball man" advances in baseball, because all baseball men have nothing but good things to say about all good baseball men. Every pitching coach does a great job, every hitting coach is tremendously helpful, every manager has players that want to play for him, every scout is a savvy one.

 

Those statements are completely worthless. As some have already noted, the Cubs players were gaga over Mike Quade last fall and he proved to be an incompetent boob.

[Sammy Sofa]

Statements from actual players that have played under him?

 

This is how every "good baseball man" advances in baseball, because all baseball men have nothing but good things to say about all good baseball men. Every pitching coach does a great job, every hitting coach is tremendously helpful, every manager has players that want to play for him, every scout is a savvy one.

 

Those statements are completely worthless. As some have already noted, the Cubs players were gaga over Mike Quade last fall and he proved to be an incompetent boob.

 

Also: Mike Quade had a lot of experience in the Cubs organization. Almost all of the meatball excuses for Sandberg can be applied to Quade.

[17 Seconds]

Statements from actual players that have played under him? His actual track record in the minors?

 

Dusty Baker's players all loved him and he even has a good major league track record according to most.

 

Anyways, why is his minor league managing w/l record significant in any way?

[CUBZ99]

Statements from actual players that have played under him?

 

This is how every "good baseball man" advances in baseball, because all baseball men have nothing but good things to say about all good baseball men. Every pitching coach does a great job, every hitting coach is tremendously helpful, every manager has players that want to play for him, every scout is a savvy one.

 

Those statements are completely worthless. As some have already noted, the Cubs players were gaga over Mike Quade last fall and he proved to be an incompetent boob.

 

Also: Mike Quade had a lot of experience in the Cubs organization. Almost all of the meatball excuses for Sandberg can be applied to Quade.

 

That is a horrible analogy. Mike Quade on his best day doesn't garner the respect from players that Sandberg does. We saw that toward the end of the this year, when they players used him as a doormat.

[17 Seconds]

Statements from actual players that have played under him?

 

This is how every "good baseball man" advances in baseball, because all baseball men have nothing but good things to say about all good baseball men. Every pitching coach does a great job, every hitting coach is tremendously helpful, every manager has players that want to play for him, every scout is a savvy one.

 

Those statements are completely worthless. As some have already noted, the Cubs players were gaga over Mike Quade last fall and he proved to be an incompetent boob.

 

Also: Mike Quade had a lot of experience in the Cubs organization. Almost all of the meatball excuses for Sandberg can be applied to Quade.

 

That is a horrible analogy. Mike Quade on his best day doesn't garner the respect from players that Sandberg does. We saw that toward the end of the this year, when they players used him as a doormat.

 

In what ways?

[Rob]

And could Sandberg handle it the first time a player didn't respect him?

[Sammy Sofa]

That is a horrible analogy. Mike Quade on his best day doesn't garner the respect from players that Sandberg does. We saw that toward the end of the this year, when they players used him as a doormat.

 

And you know this....how?

 

Why does Starlin Castro give a [expletive] about Ryne Sandberg?

[17 Seconds]

I wonder if Castro even knows what Ryne Sandberg looks like.

[imb]

I wonder if Rickets' (and presumably, Theo's) desire to build from the farm system up has them wanting more of a disciplinarian/fundamentals guy as a coach?

 

I understand the Sandberg angle from Rickets, but not necessarily Theo.

[treebird]

http://www.autographinglive.com/Ryne%20Sandberg_Second%20to%20Home-1.jpg

 

http://www.amazon.com/Second-Home-Ryne-Sandberg-Opens/dp/1566250404

 

someone buy this book and find all the stupid things he says and post them here.

[C.C.]

The book can also apply to Cindy.

[imb]

Second to come

Cindy Sandberg opens up

[Rob]

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http://www.amazon.com/Second-Home-Ryne-Sandberg-Opens/dp/1566250404

 

someone buy this book and find all the stupid things he says and post them here.

 

I have it, and I wanna say I've posted some of it before.

 

ETA:

 

I just searched my own posts and couldn't find any excerpts. I talked about it a bit, but no direct quotes.

Edited October 28, 2011 by Rob

[SouthSideRyan]

I wonder if Castro even knows what Ryne Sandberg looks like.

 

You know, slicked back hair.

[C.C.]

Second to come

Cindy Sandberg opens up

 

 

Forward by Dave Martinez

[KingCubsFan]

I'm not sure what you're looking for. Every bit of information from Sandberg himself points to a guy who places undue value on managerial actions. From his HOF speech to the articles he wrote to the instances of him bunting with the heart of his order in Peoria. But again, this is another example of trying to talk around the reasons for "why not?", and never asking "why?". Where is the evidence that Sandberg would be a competent tactician?

 

You take a couple of small insignificant items and try to put him in a box that he doesn't fit in. Show me where his teams play small ball more than other minor league teams. I'm not talking about one or two instances in 5-6 years where he asks a middle of the order batter to bunt. His teams are usually in the middle of the pack as far as bunting and steals.

 

Fine.

 

2007 - 3rd of 14 teams in SH, 5th of 14 teams in SBA

2008 - 2nd of 14 teams in SH, 7th of 14 teams in SBA

2009 - 2nd of 10 teams in SH, 6th of 10 teams in SBA

2010 - 10th of 16 teams in SH, 6th of 16 teams in SBA

2011 - 9th of 14 teams in SH, 3rd of 14 teams in SBA

 

So you have years of Sandberg being at the least doing more "button pushing" than average, on top of every word that's ever come out of his mouth putting undue importance on those things. And even more overlooked, he hasn't been a part of the MLB game in 15 years and never in a coaching capacity. But because he won a bunch of games with 30 year old AAA players last year, and his players said good things about him like they do for all coaches, he's supposed to be a surefire MLB managerial candidate? No, any advocacy for Sandberg is either willfully ignoring every tendency he's ever had, or trying to explain them away on the hope that it won't be all that bad, simply because of his playing career.

Looks like as he moved up the ladder, he relied less and less on sacrifice bunts. And I think it often gets overlooked just how bad some of those Cubs teams were that Sandberg managed. That 2009 Smokies team was horrendous offensively. Sure, he might have had the #3 hitter bunt, but who was hitting 3rd? Colvin? Blake Lalli? These guys needed to learn how to bunt, because, realistically, there wasn't one member of that team that projected to hit in the middle of a legitimate major league lineup. I'm not advocating Sandberg to be manager, but sometimes people rely a bit too much on a Yahoo! sports article, a Hall of Fame induction speech (basically a meathead convention), and some tendencies as a minor league instructor. If Epstein thinks he can work, then I'll accept it.

[Guest]

For those backing Sandberg (or at least arguing that the case against him is weak), what is the argument for Sandberg that couldn't be used for 100 other candidates out there?

[jersey cubs fan]

For those backing Sandberg (or at least arguing that the case against him is weak), what is the argument for Sandberg that couldn't be used for 100 other candidates out there?

 

The Sandberg game.

[El Duderino]

I wonder if Castro even knows what Ryne Sandberg looks like.

 

Sandberg never managed Castro in the minors?