Zambrano traded to Marlins for Chris Volstad (P. 8)

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I hope we save a lot of money. Whoever has the most payroll space wins, right?

[CubColtPacer]

This is wonderful. The Marlins would be the one team who might have a legit reason to overpay for Z. I'm still not sure if I expect anything great back, but I expect more from the Marlins than 5-7 million in salary relief which is all I expected from any other team. I'm guessing the money will still be about the same, but the Cubs will receive something decent back instead of just straight salary relief.

[Clem Fandango]

if we can actually get LoMo, i'll start on my shrine to Theo right away

 

Likewise, but I imagine the only way we get LoMo back is one of two ways:

 

1) We ship over a pretty good prospect and/or prospect package with him while picking up at least half of his salary

2) We're eating all of his salary

 

That being said... I'm holding out hope for LoMo. That would be so [expletive] spectacular

[Butterscup1679666578]

This is the last year of Z's contract right? I'd eat all of it for LoMo. Our payroll is going to be 65M anyways.

[Guest]

Hopefully we either eat all/most for LoMo or we don't eat much and we actually use the money (Cespedes, Soler, Fielder, whatever - some good way).

[Guest]

Hopefully we either eat all/most for LoMo or we don't eat much and we actually use the money (Cespedes, Soler, Fielder, whatever - some good way).

 

We could eat all of the contract and still have the money to do pretty much all of those things.

[MWV]

if we can actually get LoMo, i'll start on my shrine to Theo right away

 

Likewise, but I imagine the only way we get LoMo back is one of two ways:

 

1) We ship over a pretty good prospect and/or prospect package with him while picking up at least half of his salary

2) We're eating all of his salary

 

That being said... I'm holding out hope for LoMo. That would be so [expletive] spectacular

I could actually see this happening. Ricketts has reportedly given Theo and Co. permission to do so. Perhaps they view eating bad contracts in order to gain better prospects as a sort of backdoor, post-CBA means of paying overslot for young, team-controlled talent.

[treebird]

Hopefully we either eat all/most for LoMo or we don't eat much and we actually use the money (Cespedes, Soler, Fielder, whatever - some good way).

 

we don't need to eat money to do that. get something of value back or this is lame.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

We have to eat all his salary to get Logan Morrison?

 

What am I not seeing in Logan Morrison?

[Guest]

What is Miami's inspiration to include Morrison in a deal for Zambrano?

 

I would think they would want something more than a one year pitcher who may or may not survive the full season, especially if they are picking up part of the tab.

[Clem Fandango]

This is the last year of Z's contract right? I'd eat all of it for LoMo. Our payroll is going to be 65M anyways.

 

I was just looking over Cot's and yes, I would eat the entire rest of Zambrano's contract for 5 controlled years of Logan Morrison

 

Hopefully we either eat all/most for LoMo or we don't eat much and we actually use the money (Cespedes, Soler, Fielder, whatever - some good way).

 

The beauty of it is even if we take on the whole contract, we still have a smaller payroll than last year. We wouldn't be crippling ourselves if we made that move. We'd have the same amount of money to spend if we kept Zambrano than if we trade away him and cover his whole contract. It doesn't really affect the spending habits.

 

I'm trying to be optimistic, but the realist side feels like we'll end up getting a bag of crap in return

[Guest]

Hopefully we either eat all/most for LoMo or we don't eat much and we actually use the money (Cespedes, Soler, Fielder, whatever - some good way).

 

We could eat all of the contract and still have the money to do pretty much all of those things.

 

Seems debatable at this point, and no way of really knowing.

[jersey cubs fan]

Where does the commissioners office stand on signing off on these sorts of deals. I remember not too long ago they would have to sign off on any deal with $1m changing hands. They've been willing to do so, but at this level?

[Clem Fandango]

We have to eat all his salary to get Logan Morrison?

 

What am I not seeing in Logan Morrison?

 

Good potential power bat

Very patient hitter

World class Twitter user

[jersey cubs fan]

What is Miami's inspiration to include Morrison in a deal for Zambrano?

 

He's not latino and the powers that be don't like him.

[SouthSideRyan]

Hopefully we either eat all/most for LoMo or we don't eat much and we actually use the money (Cespedes, Soler, Fielder, whatever - some good way).

 

We could eat all of the contract and still have the money to do pretty much all of those things.

 

Seems debatable at this point, and no way of really knowing.

 

Our payroll is below 100M with arbitration estimates. How is that debateable?

Edited January 4, 2012 by SouthSideRyan

[Clem Fandango]

Hopefully we either eat all/most for LoMo or we don't eat much and we actually use the money (Cespedes, Soler, Fielder, whatever - some good way).

 

We could eat all of the contract and still have the money to do pretty much all of those things.

 

Seems debatable at this point, and no way of really knowing.

 

If they had plans to do all that WITH Zambrano then trading him and eating his contract for prospects or a league minimum MLB'er, in theory, has no affect on their ability to continue to do those things. Would it not?

Edited January 4, 2012 by The Logan

[Butterscup1679666578]

We have to eat all his salary to get Logan Morrison?

 

What am I not seeing in Logan Morrison?

 

Good potential power bat

Very patient hitter

World class Twitter user

 

24 years old

[Guest]

What is Miami's inspiration to include Morrison in a deal for Zambrano?

 

They shouldn't have any, but Morrison and the Marlins aren't on the best terms. It's hoping for the Marlins to sell low to trade a guy away like Hendry was wont to do.

[Clem Fandango]

We have to eat all his salary to get Logan Morrison?

 

What am I not seeing in Logan Morrison?

 

Good potential power bat

Very patient hitter

World class Twitter user

 

24 years old

 

And 5 more years of team control

[Guest]

Hopefully we either eat all/most for LoMo or we don't eat much and we actually use the money (Cespedes, Soler, Fielder, whatever - some good way).

 

We could eat all of the contract and still have the money to do pretty much all of those things.

 

Seems debatable at this point, and no way of really knowing.

 

Our payroll is under 100M with arbitration estimates. How is that debateable?

 

Because we seem to have no idea how much money there really is to spend and those 3 moves would amount to upwards of $30M?

 

 

And as far as I can tell, it's right at $100M, not under.

Edited January 4, 2012 by David

[Guest]

Hopefully we either eat all/most for LoMo or we don't eat much and we actually use the money (Cespedes, Soler, Fielder, whatever - some good way).

 

We could eat all of the contract and still have the money to do pretty much all of those things.

 

Seems debatable at this point, and no way of really knowing.

 

If they had plans to do all that WITH Zambrano then trading him and eating his contract for prospects or a league minimum MLB'er, in theory, has no affect on their ability to continue to do those things. Would it not?

 

Who says they did?

[jersey cubs fan]

We have to eat all his salary to get Logan Morrison?

 

What am I not seeing in Logan Morrison?

 

Good potential power bat

Very patient hitter

World class Twitter user

 

He was a top 20 prospects his last two years in the minors. He had a line of .290 .381 .464 in 1964 minor league PA as a young guy, with 243BB/299K. His worst lines were in minimal service time as an 18 year old in rookie and A- ball. So far in the majors, through age 23, his numbers have held up to his A/AA/AAA levels, with a few more K. And maybe Sun Life Stadium suppressed his power a bit. Presumably, he'd slot in at 1B for a few years if he was in the deal.

[Clem Fandango]

What is Miami's inspiration to include Morrison in a deal for Zambrano?

 

They shouldn't have any, but Morrison and the Marlins aren't on the best terms. It's hoping for the Marlins to sell low to trade a guy away like Hendry was wont to do.

 

The Marlins have said they don't plan on moving him either, but the Marlins are run by a bunch of dicks so who knows. Getting Morrison would be coup, though I'll admit I don't expect it to happen in this instance. The Marlins might not be on good terms with him but I'm sure they see value in his potential. If they do trade him in this deal without getting a decent prospect form us back then they're idiots.

 

It's wishful thinking I would think at this point... but it gets me excited thinking about it

[ctcf]

We have to eat all his salary to get Logan Morrison?

 

What am I not seeing in Logan Morrison?

 

Good potential power bat

Very patient hitter

World class Twitter user

 

Beyond world class.

 

I think LoMo is aiming way too high. I'd be thrilled with someone like Dominguez, though.

 

Also, a potentially telling quote from Theo's interview with Kaplan today. This is pulled from the Bleacher Nation piece summarizing the interview:

 

Kaplan asks if Theo is going to eat any bad contracts before Spring Training. Epstein says doing so is a sign of a healthy organization. Sometimes you have to eat a sunk cost, sometimes you can get some value for that sunk cost. Sometimes you have to walk away from a player, and sometimes you have to get to know the player, and provide an infrastructure where he can improve. “There’s no one way to handle these situations …. It’s a game played by human beings, and the possibility of bouncing back is very real.”

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/01/04/theo-epstein-speaks-about-the-state-of-the-chicago-cubs/