Zambrano traded to Marlins for Chris Volstad (P. 8)

[TruffleShuffle]

nobody knows if prospects are involved. stop pulling a cubsGM everyone.

[treebird]

pathetic. why not just see if zambrano is worth anything this year with a new staff in place that doesn't yank him around like crazy and criticize him in public all the time? that's got to be worth something. volstad is worth nothing. we're saving no money, if zambrano gets mad and does something bad in may just cut his ass and be at the same place you are now.

[mul21]

With Z (nearly) gone and Wood technically a FA still, no more '03 Cubs left on the roster. Who'll be the longest tenured Cub?

 

Almost has to be Dempster.

[TruffleShuffle]

With Z (nearly) gone and Wood technically a FA still, no more '03 Cubs left on the roster. Who'll be the longest tenured Cub?

 

roast

[SouthSideRyan]

Really looks like this insider at PSD is very legit. So that's fun.

 

Yeah this is a [expletive] blast.

 

You're really this upset over this?

 

No I like acquiring guys who are undervalued when their true value winds up as barely above replacement.

[El Duderino]

With Z (nearly) gone and Wood technically a FA still, no more '03 Cubs left on the roster. Who'll be the longest tenured Cub?

 

wow... um... shark? no idea

[UMFan83]

I think people are forgetting how low Z's value is. I don't think teams were buying Theo's words about being willing to keep Z. He had to go. There were whispers that the team would not at all be ok with him coming back into the clubhouse after what he did last year. Even getting $2 million dollars and a young major league player and prospect is great IMO. I'll guess that they could have eaten less but since the payroll is so low opted to eat more to get a better return.

 

I can't remember why but I remember really liking Volstad a year or two ago. Obviously his numbers have been rather poor but I like the potential he brings. I like that there are a couple of wild cards in the rotation between Wood and Volstad. It's better than Zambrano who you know what you are getting, a high 3's/low 4's ERA, frustratingly inconsistent performances and at least one humiliating blowup.

[USSoccer]

This is going to be the most boring, useless season of Cubs baseball in over a decade

[mul21]

pathetic. why not just see if zambrano is worth anything this year with a new staff in place that doesn't yank him around like crazy and criticize him in public all the time? that's got to be worth something. volstad is worth nothing. we're saving no money, if zambrano gets mad and does something bad in may just cut his ass and be at the same place you are now.

 

Well, you wouldn't be in the same place because you wouldn't have a potential asset in Volstad.

[Illini Iceman]

Seriously, the LoMo for Zambrano conjecture is almost as foolish as the Red Sox fans that thought they were getting Garza for Theo. Just makes no sense.

[UMFan83]

With Z (nearly) gone and Wood technically a FA still, no more '03 Cubs left on the roster. Who'll be the longest tenured Cub?

 

wow... um... shark? no idea

 

Dempster's been here since the end of 2004, that'd be my guess.

[erik316wttn]

Any word on how much money we have to eat, if any?

 

I thought Theo was going to let Z earn his way back onto the team. If we're going to eat a ton of cash, it would have been better to just keep him, hoping he would have had a good first half and then trade him before the deadline when his value was higher. This seems like a Hendry move.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm not sure people have actually seen Chris Volstad's numbers

[USSoccer]

I think people are forgetting how low Z's value is. I don't think teams were buying Theo's words about being willing to keep Z. He had to go. There were whispers that the team would not at all be ok with him coming back into the clubhouse after what he did last year. Even getting $2 million dollars and a young major league player and prospect is great IMO. I'll guess that they could have eaten less but since the payroll is so low opted to eat more to get a better return.

 

I can't remember why but I remember really liking Volstad a year or two ago. Obviously his numbers have been rather poor but I like the potential he brings. I like that there are a couple of wild cards in the rotation between Wood and Volstad. It's better than Zambrano who you know what you are getting, a high 3's/low 4's ERA, frustratingly inconsistent performances and at least one humiliating blowup.

 

We're essentially eating an entire $18m contract and getting a garbage player back. Also, there really won't be anyone left in the locker room who knows who Zambrano is-what, like 4 guys at this point?

 

This is stupid.

[Cubs Fan Dan]

I will give this trade a chance before I judge it but first reaction was shocked the cubs are paying that much, but I do trust theo and jed enough to think there was not a better deal out there. Hard to blame them though as Z has killed his trade value by declining and acting like an ass.

[dew1679666265]

With Z (nearly) gone and Wood technically a FA still, no more '03 Cubs left on the roster. Who'll be the longest tenured Cub?

 

Soriano?

[USSoccer]

pathetic. why not just see if zambrano is worth anything this year with a new staff in place that doesn't yank him around like crazy and criticize him in public all the time? that's got to be worth something. volstad is worth nothing. we're saving no money, if zambrano gets mad and does something bad in may just cut his ass and be at the same place you are now.

 

Well, you wouldn't be in the same place because you wouldn't have a potential asset in Volstad.

 

Did you just call Volstad a "potential asset"?

[SouthSideRyan]

Reed Johnson refused to re-sign until he was assured Z was gone.

[El Duderino]

Reed Johnson refused to re-sign until he was assured Z was gone.

 

nice

[Guest]

Really looks like this insider at PSD is very legit. So that's fun.

 

Yeah this is a [expletive] blast.

 

You're really this upset over this?

 

No I like acquiring guys who are undervalued when their true value winds up as barely above replacement.

 

What exactly was lost other than a headache? It's pretty clear the team is going to suck next year...and if by some miracle it doesn't, the difference between Z and Volstad isn't likely to be anything resembling crippling.

 

Z pretty much sucks now.

[erik316wttn]

So basically we're picking up Z's contract, they're picking up Volstad's.

 

Awful.

 

Yeah, I'm thinking Theo might be broken, you guys. :/

[XZero771679666304]

Really looks like this insider at PSD is very legit. So that's fun.

 

Yeah this is a [expletive] blast.

 

You're really this upset over this?

 

The hand wringing over this is hilarious.

 

A month or two ago (when there was a chance we'd compete in 2012), I would have hated this. But given the rebuild mode, there was really no reason whatsoever not to trade Zambrano. You can pay Z 18MM to pitch in a lost season and let him go at the end of the season, or you pay 15-16 million to Z and get back something, anything you might be able to use beyond this year.

 

Hendry assured that if Z was going to be traded, it was going to be for next to nothing and we'd be paying for it. The question was whether keeping him made sense. In a year you're not going to compete, it doesn't make sense.

[Guest]

I don't think you're going to find any TOR talents for Zambrano, even if he's free. Maybe a lottery ticket type like Archer was, but then that's a crummy return. Considering that the opportunity to be truly competitive in 2012 is pretty much gone, there's no real reason to hold on to Carlos, since 2 months of him in this CBA isn't going to be any more valuable in trade. Volstad isn't as ideal as Wood was, but he helps keep you from draining MLB value, and if 2012 is lost, auditioning a bunch of average+ starters like Wood, Wells, Cashner, Samardzija, and Volstad to try and find some solutions for Dempster and Z's rotation spot isn't a terrible option, especially if you get some high end talent for Garza.

 

So then 2013 we have a couple guys who turn out to be league average starters, Starlin Castro, and David DeJesus. Should be turned around in no time.

 

You know I would've gone about the offseason differently to this point, but going forward, would you rather win 78 games next year and be done with Z, or win 75 games next year and have someone of potential use for the following 2-3 years?

[Illini Iceman]

I think people are forgetting how low Z's value is. I don't think teams were buying Theo's words about being willing to keep Z. He had to go. There were whispers that the team would not at all be ok with him coming back into the clubhouse after what he did last year. Even getting $2 million dollars and a young major league player and prospect is great IMO. I'll guess that they could have eaten less but since the payroll is so low opted to eat more to get a better return.

 

I can't remember why but I remember really liking Volstad a year or two ago. Obviously his numbers have been rather poor but I like the potential he brings. I like that there are a couple of wild cards in the rotation between Wood and Volstad. It's better than Zambrano who you know what you are getting, a high 3's/low 4's ERA, frustratingly inconsistent performances and at least one humiliating blowup.

 

We're essentially eating an entire $18m contract and getting a garbage player back. Also, there really won't be anyone left in the locker room who knows who Zambrano is-what, like 4 guys at this point?

 

This is stupid.

 

Theo would have eaten the entire $18 million contract and gotten nothing back if it had come to that. He didn't want him Zambrano in his clubhouse. Clearly no one other than Guillen did either.

[Tryptamine]

Really inexplicable trade. Even with the saved money, once the Cubs pay Volstad they're back at square one. The worst part is the Cubs just got rid of one of the Garza bidders in this deal. A rotation of Dempster/Wood/Wells/Volstad/? How this team sniffs 65 wins I don't know.

 

The Marlins couldn't put together a worthwhile package for Garza anyway.

 

 

Agreed, but they do make nice leverage.