Zambrano traded to Marlins for Chris Volstad (P. 8)

[jersey cubs fan]

Looks like the team learned Hendry's cowardly ways and blamed their suckiness on a scapegoat.

[SouthSideRyan]

Even Theo knows it's a shitty trade

[woodchip2153]

so will the Cubs switch back to the gatorade fountain machine?

[Benchwarmer]

Actually, the best they can do is let him pitch for the Cubs.

 

That's the worst that can happen. Didn't you hear that Theo wants to change the culture and build a winning team? Don't you remember that Theo says he wants productive players and who have their teammates' back? How does Z fit into any of those? Has he suddenly see the light and will shape up? You want to bring back an overpaid malcontent who attacked his teammates, quit on the team and is non-productive? No thanks.

 

This is the showcase tour. Z has little value right now and if shows something now, maybe a team will be interested. I'm sure we may have to eat some $$$, but Theo knows that Z can't be brought back.

 

Yes, he can.

 

Nope..as I told you earlier.

[SouthSideRyan]

Oh, good benchwarmer's back everybody.

[KingCubsFan]

Even Theo knows it's a [expletive] trade

Yeah, that's how I read it too. Although this was interesting:

For better or worse, if you're stuck paying $18 million for one year of Carlos Zambrano, and there is not a team willing to take him with any dollar relief whatsoever, then you have to decide were we better off with one year of Carlos at the $18 million paid, or are we better off paying the $18 million and getting a 25-year-old pitcher with three control years?

[Guancous]

When you're talking about physical altercations with players repeatedly..."

 

Is this new information? Who else besides Barrett did Zambrano fight?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Rationalization kicking in. If this is really how think the market for Carlos Zambrano was, then I guess maybe there really is stuff he did that didn't come to light.

[Clem Fandango]

When you're talking about physical altercations with players repeatedly..."

 

Is this new information? Who else besides Barrett did Zambrano fight?

 

The shoving match with D. Lee?

[XZero771679666304]

Rationalization kicking in. If this is really how think the market for Carlos Zambrano was, then I guess maybe there really is stuff he did that didn't come to light.

 

I've long suspected that this was the case.

 

I don't subscribe to overblown "chemistry" theories, but I do think Theo and Jed inherited a situation with Z that had become untenable. Theo may not buy into it either, but it the players really do, and they feel really strongly about it, then it becomes an issue. And as it became clear the team wasn't likely to compete in 2012, there was no reason not to trade him.

 

I think it's also likely Miami was the only team that was going to be willing to take him on, largely because of Ozzie.

[Rob]

Rationalization kicking in. If this is really how think the market for Carlos Zambrano was, then I guess maybe there really is stuff he did that didn't come to light.

 

I've long suspected that this was the case.

 

I don't subscribe to overblown "chemistry" theories, but I do think Theo and Jed inherited a situation with Z that had become untenable. Theo may not buy into it either, but it the players really do, and they feel really strongly about it, then it becomes an issue. And as it became clear the team wasn't likely to compete in 2012, there was no reason not to trade him.

 

I think it's also likely Miami was the only team that was going to be willing to take him on, largely because of Ozzie.

 

Plagiarizing my article on NSBB's home page, are you?

 

Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer inherited an untenable situation.

[XZero771679666304]

Rationalization kicking in. If this is really how think the market for Carlos Zambrano was, then I guess maybe there really is stuff he did that didn't come to light.

 

I've long suspected that this was the case.

 

I don't subscribe to overblown "chemistry" theories, but I do think Theo and Jed inherited a situation with Z that had become untenable. Theo may not buy into it either, but it the players really do, and they feel really strongly about it, then it becomes an issue. And as it became clear the team wasn't likely to compete in 2012, there was no reason not to trade him.

 

I think it's also likely Miami was the only team that was going to be willing to take him on, largely because of Ozzie.

 

 

Plagiarizing my article on NSBB's home page, are you?

 

Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer inherited an untenable situation.

 

 

 

Haha, that's funny, but no. I'm ashamed to say I haven't read a front page article in ages.

 

Nice choice of words, though.

[Rob]

Haha, that's funny, but no. I'm ashamed to say I haven't read a front page article in ages.

 

Nice choice of words, though.

 

We have been sharing an unseemly number of opinions lately. Now we're starting to share words. I guess I'm okay with it if you are.

 

Read the front page stuff though.

[davell]

The PSD insider guy said there was absolutely ZERO market for Z and there was ZERO percent chance we were keeping him. This was all on Ozzie. He also said that he wouldn't want to sit at the poker table Theo's playing at.

[XZero771679666304]

The PSD insider guy said there was absolutely ZERO market for Z and there was ZERO percent chance we were keeping him. This was all on Ozzie. He also said that he wouldn't want to sit at the poker table Theo's playing at.

 

I think many people had an unrealistic idea of what the market for Z was going to be.

 

It wasn't a good trade, but it was as good as it was going to get.

[jersey cubs fan]

The PSD insider guy said there was absolutely ZERO market for Z and there was ZERO percent chance we were keeping him. This was all on Ozzie. He also said that he wouldn't want to sit at the poker table Theo's playing at.

 

I think many people had an unrealistic idea of what the market for Z was going to be.

 

It wasn't a good trade, but it was as good as it was going to get.

 

If you insisted on trading him.

[XZero771679666304]

The PSD insider guy said there was absolutely ZERO market for Z and there was ZERO percent chance we were keeping him. This was all on Ozzie. He also said that he wouldn't want to sit at the poker table Theo's playing at.

 

I think many people had an unrealistic idea of what the market for Z was going to be.

 

It wasn't a good trade, but it was as good as it was going to get.

 

If you insisted on trading him.

 

Again, why wouldn't you? If you're not competing in 2012 and you're not extending him, what is there to be gained from keeping him? Not a damned thing.

 

And don't say we should have waited and let him recoup value for the deadline, because even if he performed well, a trade partner wold only get two months of him, setting his value back. And then there is the risk of him crapping the bed and getting absolutely nothing.

 

Seeing Z go out like this sucks, but it is what it is.

[Sammy Sofa]

Actually, the best they can do is let him pitch for the Cubs.

 

That's the worst that can happen. Didn't you hear that Theo wants to change the culture and build a winning team? Don't you remember that Theo says he wants productive players and who have their teammates' back? How does Z fit into any of those? Has he suddenly see the light and will shape up? You want to bring back an overpaid malcontent who attacked his teammates, quit on the team and is non-productive? No thanks.

 

This is the showcase tour. Z has little value right now and if shows something now, maybe a team will be interested. I'm sure we may have to eat some $$$, but Theo knows that Z can't be brought back.

 

Yes, he can.

 

Nope..as I told you earlier.

 

Yes, he could have pitched for the Cubs.

[Rob]

Scenarios for handling the Zambrano situation.

 

1.) Extend him - Not realistic

 

2.) Cut him - No benefit

 

3. ) Let him play out the season and walk - No benefit

 

4.) Trade him now - get best return possible* (Volstad)

 

5.) Hold onto him till the deadline and pray:

a.) He pitches poorly -- Get nothing

b.) He pitches well -- Get a similar piece to Volstad

 

Maybe, just maybe Zambrano could pitch like an ace through the deadline... but even then he probably wouldn't net us much more than Volstad. Best to trade him now and get something rather than roll the dice for a marginal gain at best and nothing at worst.

[Rob]

Actually, the best they can do is let him pitch for the Cubs.

 

That's the worst that can happen. Didn't you hear that Theo wants to change the culture and build a winning team? Don't you remember that Theo says he wants productive players and who have their teammates' back? How does Z fit into any of those? Has he suddenly see the light and will shape up? You want to bring back an overpaid malcontent who attacked his teammates, quit on the team and is non-productive? No thanks.

 

This is the showcase tour. Z has little value right now and if shows something now, maybe a team will be interested. I'm sure we may have to eat some $$$, but Theo knows that Z can't be brought back.

 

Yes, he can.

 

Nope..as I told you earlier.

 

Yes, he could have pitched for the Cubs.

 

I've seen this before. Some people believe that because a situation turned out one way, that was the only way it could have ever turned out... thus vindicating their prior opinions.

 

It's called being a delusional megalomaniac. That's not the clinical term. I just like calling people that.

[Sammy Sofa]

It sounds like some kind of awesome superpower.

[Beer Kaese]

Scenarios for handling the Zambrano situation.

 

1.) Extend him - Not realistic

 

2.) Cut him - No benefit

 

3. ) Let him play out the season and walk - No benefit

 

4.) Trade him now - get best return possible* (Volstad)

 

5.) Hold onto him till the deadline and pray:

a.) He pitches poorly -- Get nothing

b.) He pitches well -- Get a similar piece to Volstad

 

Maybe, just maybe Zambrano could pitch like an ace through the deadline... but even then he probably wouldn't net us much more than Volstad. Best to trade him now and get something rather than roll the dice for a marginal gain at best and nothing at worst.

 

I'm a Big Z fan but I think with the Cubs playing poorly and sinking in the standings it would take one bad outing by Z for the whole "hold him for more value" idea would go up in flames.

 

I wish him well but it had to be done.

 

Oh, great article Rob.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Scenarios for handling the Zambrano situation.

 

1.) Extend him - Not realistic

 

2.) Cut him - No benefit

 

3. ) Let him play out the season and walk - No benefit

 

4.) Trade him now - get best return possible* (Volstad)

 

5.) Hold onto him till the deadline and pray:

a.) He pitches poorly -- Get nothing

b.) He pitches well -- Get a similar piece to Volstad

 

Maybe, just maybe Zambrano could pitch like an ace through the deadline... but even then he probably wouldn't net us much more than Volstad. Best to trade him now and get something rather than roll the dice for a marginal gain at best and nothing at worst.

 

6.) Sign Luke Scott for 3.5 mil and replace the Gatoraid cooler with a barell of plantain chips.

[Rob]

Scenarios for handling the Zambrano situation.

 

1.) Extend him - Not realistic

 

2.) Cut him - No benefit

 

3. ) Let him play out the season and walk - No benefit

 

4.) Trade him now - get best return possible* (Volstad)

 

5.) Hold onto him till the deadline and pray:

a.) He pitches poorly -- Get nothing

b.) He pitches well -- Get a similar piece to Volstad

 

Maybe, just maybe Zambrano could pitch like an ace through the deadline... but even then he probably wouldn't net us much more than Volstad. Best to trade him now and get something rather than roll the dice for a marginal gain at best and nothing at worst.

 

I'm a Big Z fan but I think with the Cubs playing poorly and sinking in the standings it would take one bad outing by Z for the whole "hold him for more value" idea would go up in flames.

 

I wish him well but it had to be done.

 

Oh, great article Rob.

 

Thank you.

[UMFan83]

Maybe this has been posted somewhere, but any word on what becomes of Zs 2013 salary? I believe it's 18 mil club option with a 9 mil buyout. Can't imagine the club option being picked up, but who's picking up the tab on the BO? If they pick that up its worthwhile in its own.

 

You are joking right? The answer to your question was discussed in multiple posts on the same page, the last coming just 2 posts before yours.