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Well, Boars and Bernstein on the Score have been saying that Kenney considers himself a part of the baseball operations. Its fine and dandy that Ricketts has declared Kenney his Business guy, but unless Ricketts puts up a wall to keep Kenney away from the baseball operations, what's to stop him? That's what concerns me.

 

Who gives a crap what Boers and Bernstein say about what Kenney considers himself. The guy is a business executive for a company whose primary business is to play baseball. He is a baseball executive. So freaking what.

 

He's a baseball exec but is he a BASEBALL MAAAAAN!?!?!

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Yeah, this is kind of heart wrenching.

 

Still glad he's out the door, though.

 

I've always liked Hendry as a person. Seems like a really genuine down to earth guy. I know Vance has had some very positive encounters with him in the past and Hendry remembered him each time, and spent time chatting with him. It sucks that he's out of a job, but I mean the guy just had a backwards philosophy and made a lot of questionable moves. He deserved his fate and I'm really happy that we're looking elsewhere, but I do feel a bit sorry for him because I know he truly gave everything he had to the Cubs.

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The term "baseball guy" has become one of my least favorite sayings in the sport this year. Tf does that even mean? I read it, especially on BCB back when I tried that dump out, and I don't even think the people who use it really know wtf it means. It just sounds good to their ears. There's nothing more annoying in sports than fans giving power to buzzwords...

 

Baseball guy means that from the time you left high school baseball was the primary factor in your life. You either played in college or got drafted into some minor league organization. You stayed involved at many levels and when your playing career was over you went right into some coaching or scouting capacity and worked your way up.

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Can't wait to get off work to have a beer or twelve in celebration.

 

Wish list for GM:

 

1) Friedman

2) Hahn

3) Cherington

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No one here seems to be mentioning that Cherington guy from the Sox. Seems like he's got a lot of good philosophys coming from Theo's world.

 

Didn't you say his secretary is your neighbor? Is she hot?

 

She's cute I guess. I've only chatted with her about the Cubs a couple of times becuase I don't feel right obsessively stalking her for Cubs info. I will definitely talk to her about this though and try to get some dirt. Hendry mentioned her name in his press conference (Hayley)

 

I'll bet she was able to call in a lot.

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Yeah, this is kind of heart wrenching.

 

Still glad he's out the door, though.

 

I've always liked Hendry as a person. Seems like a really genuine down to earth guy. I know Vance has had some very positive encounters with him in the past and Hendry remembered him each time, and spent time chatting with him. It sucks that he's out of a job, but I mean the guy just had a backwards philosophy and made a lot of questionable moves.

 

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure he'll have another job much better than any of ours very soon, and lest we forget, even if he decides to take a year off, he gets his 2012 salary, which again, I'll assume is far more than any of us make.

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I'd nut all over everything if Friedman got hired

 

Kyle's face.

 

Yours. What if the new GM thinks Cpatt is a cheap Carlos Beltran?

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i'm so excited and focused on this hendry news that i just now realized the cubs were playing a game right now

 

[expletive] em. They're mostly EX CUBS now

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I still can't believe Theo gave Crawford all that money.
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He's definitely a good guy and he worked his ass off to do what he thought was best for the organization. In the end the results just weren't there. I'll always admire the hell out of him for getting that Lilly deal done while he was in the hospital. He was truly dedicated to the cause.

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He's definitely a good guy and he worked his ass off to do what he thought was best for the organization. In the end the results just weren't there. I'll always admire the hell out of him for getting that Lilly deal done while he was in the hospital. He was truly dedicated to the cause.

His dedication to the job has never been anything short of admirable. There's no excuse for the poor results, but it definitely wasn't for lack of trying. On a personal level, the guy definitely deserves plenty of respect. I hope no one pooped in his office.

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Hell yes, Tom. Hell [expletive] yes.

 

The only down side is that I had to wait until now to start drinking and open this thread in celebration. With my new job, I can't really check the site at work. Goony's orgasming every half-page was priceless. I hope to top his level of inebriation before the night is through.

 

CHEERS

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Can't wait to get off work to have a beer or twelve in celebration.

 

Wish list for GM:

 

1) Friedman

2) Hahn

3) Cherington

 

Can someone please explain to me why Hahn is so highly thought of? I am probably putting too much emphasis on the organization he works for, but where is the body of evidence suggesting he is a top candidate?

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Can't wait to get off work to have a beer or twelve in celebration.

 

Wish list for GM:

 

1) Friedman

2) Hahn

3) Cherington

 

Can someone please explain to me why Hahn is so highly thought of? I am probably putting too much emphasis on the organization he works for, but where is the body of evidence suggesting he is a top candidate?

 

A - What does this mean? Please tell me it's not, "He probably Sox because he works for the Sox and I hate them and Ozzie is dumb lol!"

 

B -

 

1. Rick Hahn, vice-president/assistant general manager of the Chicago White Sox

Sports Illustrated already ranked Hahn as baseball’s No. 1 GM candidate earlier this year, so there’s no groundbreaking stuff here. There are plenty of reasons to like Hahn’s resume, especially the education part. Hahn went from the University of Michigan to Harvard Law and then Kellogg Graduate School at Northwestern University. The last stop was a redirect — he was interested in getting into baseball, so he went to business school with that intention. Lest you think Hahn is being set up as a spreadsheet man, he’s a guy with an obvious passion for the game. As a 12-year-old Cubs fan, he was writing then-GM Dallas Green with trade ideas. Integral to the acquisitions of Carlos Quentin and Alexei Ramirez, he’s not easy to pigeonhole, either. Hahn has had his name connected with the New York Mets, Pittsburgh Pirates and St. Louis Cardinals jobs in the past few years, but this is a natural connection. A life-long Cubs fan with a different approach than Hendry’s, a track record of success, the ability to negotiate contracts, an eye for scouting and an analytical experience in the same town? Come on. Hahn’s the obvious front-runner for this job, if he wants it. And we’re not just saying that because he was an excellent panelist at the FanGraphs event in Arizona this year (although that does speak well of his media savvy).

 

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/candidates-for-the-chicago-general-manager-job/

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Of all the candidates interviewing for the Mets GM position this week, the one with the largest gap between reputation and what we actually know about him is almost certainly White Sox assistant general manager Rick Hahn. We know Baseball America had him ranked as the #1 GM prospect in baseball earlier this year (link is here, but it's behind their pay wall so you'll have to take my word for it). Baseball Prospectus ran a similar list two years ago that ranked Hahn #3 overall behind Red Sox assistant GM Jed Hoyer and now-Mariners-GM Jack Zduriencik. We think Hahn might be into sabermetrics but we're not really sure.

 

That's about all I knew about him before I started poking around a bit. I've managed to cobble together some other bits of information, mainly from this interview and a conversation with South Side Sox, and dare I say we're beginning to see the rudiments of a GM profile!

 

Hahn grew up a Cubs fan and graduated from New Trier High School in Winnetka, Illinois.

As a 12-year-old he would send letters to Cubs GM Dallas Green with trade proposals. Green would occasionally write back.

He holds degrees from the University of Michigan, Harvard Law School, and Kellogg Graduate School of Management at Northwestern University.

At Kellogg he studied things like "finance, statistical analysis, regression analysis, [and] accounting methods", which he thought would be useful tools to have when he eventually joined a big league front office.

While still at Kellogg, Hahn took a position with the sports agency Steinberg, Moorad & Dunn, the firm of superagent Jeff Moorad (who now owns parts of the Padres and Diamondbacks). Hahn's time there would provide him valuable experience he would later use while negotiating player contracts from the other side of the table.

He left Moorad's agency in 2000 and was hired shortly thereafter as an assistant to newly-appointed White Sox GM Kenny Williams (who was previously the team's farm director).

He was a candidate for the Cardinals GM job after the 2007 season but withdrew his name before John Mozeliak got the job.

He declined to meet with the Pirates regarding their GM vacancy in September 2007. That job went to Neal Huntington.

Hahn was not given permission to interview with the Mariners following the 2008 season for the GM position that eventually went to Jack Z.

He has negotiated a half-billion dollars worth of contracts for the White Sox, including those of Paul Konerko and Mark Buehrle.

In discussing Gavin Floyd's slow start in 2009 (and most years), Hahn cited Floyd's FIP and how it was lower than his ERA as a rationale for not worrying needlessly (ed. note: this was relayed to me anecdotally by The Cheat at South Side Sox).

 

It's difficult to know what kind of GM a guy will be if he's never truly had the opportunity to flex his muscles in that capacity, but Hahn's diverse experiences in business school (studying regression analysis), player representation, and contract negotiation suggest a well-rounded candidate who works well with others and seems open to the (potentially) bright ideas of the people who surround him. It appears that Hahn is being groomed to replace Kenny Williams sooner rather than later, so if he doesn't get a chance to run the show with the Mets then the opportunity to do so with the White Sox could be right around the corner.

 

http://www.amazinavenue.com/2010/10/13/1748138/meet-gm-candidate-rick-hahn

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