Hendry Fired (p. 2)

[Little Slide Rooter]

I really like Rick Hahns combination of reputation and history as a Cubs fan.

[CubsWin]

On the one hand: [expletive] YES!

 

On the other hand, Hendry presided over a number of the most successful Cubs teams in my life. He brought in Tim Wilken, revitalized the farm system, made some really good trades, took chances, and seemed like a good guy. 2003, 2004, and 2008 were fantastic seasons for a number of reasons, but Jim Hendry was responsible (at least in part) for building those teams. In that regard, I'm a bit sad to see him go.

 

He'll land on his feet. However, this team needed a change.

I mostly echo this sentiment, though I'm not sad to see him go. He's never been the worst or an idiot or absolutely terrible as so many have called him. But, that said, it's time for fresh blood. It's way passed time for that. Depending on who the Cubs bring in, I'm very excited for the future of this franchise. The draft spending and international signings this year only add to that excitement. Things are looking up.

 

Way to go, Tom. If only he'd told me he was going to do this when I sat next to him in spring training this year...

[Guest]

Meh, who cares about the Cubs fan thing?

 

Phil Rogers played that up huge in his pro-Hahn piece today, which is why I didn't post any excerpts from it.

[OleMissCub]

wonder if Stan Kasten wants a job?

[Guest]

On the one hand: [expletive] YES!

 

On the other hand, Hendry presided over a number of the most successful Cubs teams in my life. He brought in Tim Wilken, revitalized the farm system, made some really good trades, took chances, and seemed like a good guy. 2003, 2004, and 2008 were fantastic seasons for a number of reasons, but Jim Hendry was responsible (at least in part) for building those teams. In that regard, I'm a bit sad to see him go.

 

He'll land on his feet. However, this team needed a change.

I mostly echo this sentiment, though I'm not sad to see him go. He's never been the worst or an idiot or absolutely terrible as so many have called him. But, that said, it's time for fresh blood. It's way passed time for that. Depending on who the Cubs bring in, I'm very excited for the future of this franchise. The draft spending and international signings this year only add to that excitement. Things are looking up.

 

Way to go, Tom. If only he'd told me he was going to do this when I sat next to him in spring training this year...

 

I truly believe he actively is against working counts and patience at the plate (e.g. in favor of an aggressive approach at the plate), and for that he IS absolutely terrible. He may have made some good moves in spite of this, but someone with such a flawed fundamental belief isn't going to have a very easy time succeeding at what he was doing.

[Vanilla Ice]

I'd nut all over everything if Friedman got hired

 

Note to self: tell little sis to cancel her impending trip to Chapel Hill

I'll be very respectful about it, of course.

[Little Slide Rooter]

On the one hand: [expletive] YES!

 

On the other hand, Hendry presided over a number of the most successful Cubs teams in my life. He brought in Tim Wilken, revitalized the farm system, made some really good trades, took chances, and seemed like a good guy. 2003, 2004, and 2008 were fantastic seasons for a number of reasons, but Jim Hendry was responsible (at least in part) for building those teams. In that regard, I'm a bit sad to see him go.

 

He'll land on his feet. However, this team needed a change.

I mostly echo this sentiment, though I'm not sad to see him go. He's never been the worst or an idiot or absolutely terrible as so many have called him. But, that said, it's time for fresh blood. It's way passed time for that. Depending on who the Cubs bring in, I'm very excited for the future of this franchise. The draft spending and international signings this year only add to that excitement. Things are looking up.

 

Way to go, Tom. If only he'd told me he was going to do this when I sat next to him in spring training this year...

 

I truly believe he actively is against working counts and patience at the plate (e.g. in favor of an aggressive approach at the plate), and for that he IS absolutely terrible. He may have made some good moves in spite of this, but someone with such a flawed fundamental belief isn't going to have a very easy time succeeding at what he was doing.

 

His best moves were trades, Aramis, Lee, Nomar, and Harden. His FAs were very expensive, and that's a large reason why he built a contender from '07-'09, but had he spent the money better, perhaps we could have contended for the past 2 years as well. He had a lot of money at his disposal. Also, throwing the money he did at role players like Miles, Grabow, Howry, Eyre, Neifi, Hollandsworth and a few others I can't think of at this time never sat well with me, even less so than the big money FAs.

[SouthSideRyan]

I really like Rick Hahns combination of reputation and history as a Cubs fan.

 

I don't care that he's a Cubs fan.

[Vanilla Ice]

I'd nut all over everything if Friedman got hired

 

Kyle's face.

Thats definitely the first thing

[CubsWin]

On the one hand: [expletive] YES!

 

On the other hand, Hendry presided over a number of the most successful Cubs teams in my life. He brought in Tim Wilken, revitalized the farm system, made some really good trades, took chances, and seemed like a good guy. 2003, 2004, and 2008 were fantastic seasons for a number of reasons, but Jim Hendry was responsible (at least in part) for building those teams. In that regard, I'm a bit sad to see him go.

 

He'll land on his feet. However, this team needed a change.

I mostly echo this sentiment, though I'm not sad to see him go. He's never been the worst or an idiot or absolutely terrible as so many have called him. But, that said, it's time for fresh blood. It's way passed time for that. Depending on who the Cubs bring in, I'm very excited for the future of this franchise. The draft spending and international signings this year only add to that excitement. Things are looking up.

 

Way to go, Tom. If only he'd told me he was going to do this when I sat next to him in spring training this year...

 

I truly believe he actively is against working counts and patience at the plate (e.g. in favor of an aggressive approach at the plate), and for that he IS absolutely terrible. He may have made some good moves in spite of this, but someone with such a flawed fundamental belief isn't going to have a very easy time succeeding at what he was doing.

 

His best moves were trades, Aramis, Lee, Nomar, and Harden. His FAs were very expensive, and that's a large reason why he built a contender from '07-'09, but had he spent the money better, perhaps we could have contended for the past 2 years as well. He had a lot of money at his disposal. Also, throwing the money he did at role players like Miles, Grabow, Howry, Eyre, Neifi, Hollandsworth and a few others I can't think of at this time never sat well with me, even less so than the big money FAs.

My feelings as well. It's a shame.

[mookie]

Can't wait to get off work to have a beer or twelve in celebration.

 

Wish list for GM:

 

1) Friedman

2) Hahn

3) Cherington

 

Can someone please explain to me why Hahn is so highly thought of? I am probably putting too much emphasis on the organization he works for, but where is the body of evidence suggesting he is a top candidate?

 

A - What does this mean? Please tell me it's not, "He probably Sox because he works for the Sox and I hate them and Ozzie is dumb lol!"

 

B -

 

1. Rick Hahn, vice-president/assistant general manager of the Chicago White Sox

Sports Illustrated already ranked Hahn as baseball’s No. 1 GM candidate earlier this year, so there’s no groundbreaking stuff here. There are plenty of reasons to like Hahn’s resume, especially the education part. Hahn went from the University of Michigan to Harvard Law and then Kellogg Graduate School at Northwestern University. The last stop was a redirect — he was interested in getting into baseball, so he went to business school with that intention. Lest you think Hahn is being set up as a spreadsheet man, he’s a guy with an obvious passion for the game. As a 12-year-old Cubs fan, he was writing then-GM Dallas Green with trade ideas. Integral to the acquisitions of Carlos Quentin and Alexei Ramirez, he’s not easy to pigeonhole, either. Hahn has had his name connected with the New York Mets, Pittsburgh Pirates and St. Louis Cardinals jobs in the past few years, but this is a natural connection. A life-long Cubs fan with a different approach than Hendry’s, a track record of success, the ability to negotiate contracts, an eye for scouting and an analytical experience in the same town? Come on. Hahn’s the obvious front-runner for this job, if he wants it. And we’re not just saying that because he was an excellent panelist at the FanGraphs event in Arizona this year (although that does speak well of his media savvy).

 

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/candidates-for-the-chicago-general-manager-job/

 

A. I don't see anything to really go bouncing up and down about concerning the White Sox organization. This includes both the minor leagues and the major league roster. Hyping the acquisitions of Quentin and Ramirez aren't exactly making me all weak in the knees either. I am glad that he likes the Cubs, but I don't believe any bearing at all should be placed on his penchant to root for a certain team. I don't know, maybe I am missing something about the White Sox organization that others are aware of.

[Guest]

lol it turned my improper spelling of sucks to sox

[kujay]

OMG I've been really busy today and didn't hear until now.

 

Awesome.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Can't wait to get off work to have a beer or twelve in celebration.

 

Wish list for GM:

 

1) Friedman

2) Hahn

3) Cherington

 

Can someone please explain to me why Hahn is so highly thought of? I am probably putting too much emphasis on the organization he works for, but where is the body of evidence suggesting he is a top candidate?

 

A - What does this mean? Please tell me it's not, "He probably Sox because he works for the Sox and I hate them and Ozzie is dumb lol!"

 

B -

 

1. Rick Hahn, vice-president/assistant general manager of the Chicago White Sox

Sports Illustrated already ranked Hahn as baseball’s No. 1 GM candidate earlier this year, so there’s no groundbreaking stuff here. There are plenty of reasons to like Hahn’s resume, especially the education part. Hahn went from the University of Michigan to Harvard Law and then Kellogg Graduate School at Northwestern University. The last stop was a redirect — he was interested in getting into baseball, so he went to business school with that intention. Lest you think Hahn is being set up as a spreadsheet man, he’s a guy with an obvious passion for the game. As a 12-year-old Cubs fan, he was writing then-GM Dallas Green with trade ideas. Integral to the acquisitions of Carlos Quentin and Alexei Ramirez, he’s not easy to pigeonhole, either. Hahn has had his name connected with the New York Mets, Pittsburgh Pirates and St. Louis Cardinals jobs in the past few years, but this is a natural connection. A life-long Cubs fan with a different approach than Hendry’s, a track record of success, the ability to negotiate contracts, an eye for scouting and an analytical experience in the same town? Come on. Hahn’s the obvious front-runner for this job, if he wants it. And we’re not just saying that because he was an excellent panelist at the FanGraphs event in Arizona this year (although that does speak well of his media savvy).

 

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/candidates-for-the-chicago-general-manager-job/

 

A. I don't see anything to really go bouncing up and down about concerning the White Sox organization. This includes both the minor leagues and the major league roster. Hyping the acquisitions of Quentin and Ramirez aren't exactly making me all weak in the knees either. I am glad that he likes the Cubs, but I don't believe any bearing at all should be placed on his penchant to root for a certain team. I don't know, maybe I am missing something about the White Sox organization that others are aware of.

 

The White Sox have gotten very lucky with some low risk guys like Quentin, Ramirez, Danks, Floyd, Santos, Thornton, and Humber, but also made their share of terrible decisons like Rios, Peavy, and trading Dan Hudson for Edwin Jackson, and whatever Kenny says, it was clearly a move to swing Jackson for Dunn. And then theres the Dunn signing itself, and while many questioned the move to DH and the AL, I don't think anyone could have predicted how awful his 1st year would turn out. They also may have ruined Gordon Beckham by refusing to send him back to the minors after his extended slump which began at the beginning of 2010.

[Vinestal]

Well, I'm late to this party but it's been highly entertaining reading this thread. I'm very happy to see Hendry gone, he's a good guy but it was time for a change. Hopefully we get the right guy to replace him. We are certainly entering an exciting time to be a Cubs fan. It's going to be really fun (hopefully) to see someone new taking us in a new direction (hopefully) in a new way (hopefully). Basically I'm very hopeful again and that's a good thing.

[dfnowak]

Can't wait to get off work to have a beer or twelve in celebration.

 

Wish list for GM:

 

1) Friedman

2) Hahn

3) Cherington

 

Can someone please explain to me why Hahn is so highly thought of? I am probably putting too much emphasis on the organization he works for, but where is the body of evidence suggesting he is a top candidate?

 

A - What does this mean? Please tell me it's not, "He probably Sox because he works for the Sox and I hate them and Ozzie is dumb lol!"

 

B -

 

1. Rick Hahn, vice-president/assistant general manager of the Chicago White Sox

Sports Illustrated already ranked Hahn as baseball’s No. 1 GM candidate earlier this year, so there’s no groundbreaking stuff here. There are plenty of reasons to like Hahn’s resume, especially the education part. Hahn went from the University of Michigan to Harvard Law and then Kellogg Graduate School at Northwestern University. The last stop was a redirect — he was interested in getting into baseball, so he went to business school with that intention. Lest you think Hahn is being set up as a spreadsheet man, he’s a guy with an obvious passion for the game. As a 12-year-old Cubs fan, he was writing then-GM Dallas Green with trade ideas. Integral to the acquisitions of Carlos Quentin and Alexei Ramirez, he’s not easy to pigeonhole, either. Hahn has had his name connected with the New York Mets, Pittsburgh Pirates and St. Louis Cardinals jobs in the past few years, but this is a natural connection. A life-long Cubs fan with a different approach than Hendry’s, a track record of success, the ability to negotiate contracts, an eye for scouting and an analytical experience in the same town? Come on. Hahn’s the obvious front-runner for this job, if he wants it. And we’re not just saying that because he was an excellent panelist at the FanGraphs event in Arizona this year (although that does speak well of his media savvy).

 

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/candidates-for-the-chicago-general-manager-job/

 

I think what he's referring to is the bad paper the Sox are paying to Peavy, Rios and Dunn and their lack of farm system, both of which can be attributed to Kenny Williams

[ConstableRabbit]

The term "baseball guy" has become one of my least favorite sayings in the sport this year. Tf does that even mean? I read it, especially on BCB back when I tried that dump out, and I don't even think the people who use it really know wtf it means. It just sounds good to their ears. There's nothing more annoying in sports than fans giving power to buzzwords...

 

Baseball guy means that from the time you left high school baseball was the primary factor in your life. You either played in college or got drafted into some minor league organization. You stayed involved at many levels and when your playing career was over you went right into some coaching or scouting capacity and worked your way up.

Baseball Execs are commissioned; Baseball Men are enlistees.

[RynoRules]

I stll don't get why I should love Hahn. He's made his bones with a GM who doesn't know how to draft and has made some pretty bad and expensive moves.

[Tracer Bullet]

Do you think this is how Team 6 felt after they shot bin laden?

[Guest]

I stll don't get why I should love Hahn. He's made his bones with a GM who doesn't know how to draft and has made some pretty bad and expensive moves.

 

With any candidate who isn't a GM, you're going to have a lot of difficulty separating the impact of that candidate from the guy who's actually the GM. I wouldn't worry so much about the draft, because that's one area the GM doesn't exert a lot of influence, and I think there's plenty of positive things brought up about Hahn that I'd be happy if he was brought on. Even the best looking GM candidates don't always turn up roses when they're free of a strong GM(Dayton Moore being a textbook example), and the inverse is likely true as well.

[hawkeyecub]

JESUS! It's finally happened. I've bitched about him for so long I don't know what I'm gonna do without him.

 

I did experience an entire new emotion towards him while watching on CSN: Sympathy.

 

He really seems like a stand-up guy, but after all these years he had become a monster to me.

 

So long, JH.

 

Same. I'm extremely excited and optimistic and Hendry brought this upon himself. But he's a hell of a guy and you know he poured everything he had into this job.

 

Good luck Jim, get healthy.

[hawkeyecub]

By the way great thread. I was only able to see snippets from twitter on my phone until getting home now and this thread delivered. NSBB is back baby

[CubInOK]

My list for next GM:

 

1. Ed Wade

2. Dave Littlefield

3. Steve Phillips

4. Andy MacPhail

5. JP Riccardi

[Sammy Sofa]

Hot damn. What a day.

[OleMissCub]

My list for next GM:

 

1. Ed Wade

2. Dave Littlefield

3. Steve Phillips

4. Andy MacPhail

5. JP Riccardi

 

Is that a list of who you want or who you think it is gonna be because I wouldn't want most of them. Phillips was a terrible GM. With his penchant for terrible contracts he'd be Hendry-lite. Ed Wade did ok setting the Phils up in the early 00's but the Astros are total bottom feeders under him. Littlefield was a bafoon with the Pirates. MacPhail and Ric would be acceptable.