Hendry Fired (p. 2)

[17 Seconds]

That would be a huge [expletive] story if Theo left the Red Sox to come to the Cubs. I guess he leave the Red Sox for a couple of days a few years ago so its not impossible.

 

Imagine if he ended the Red Sox drought and then ended the Cubs'.

[17 Seconds]

Any chance Billy Beane leaves Oakland to come to the Cubs?

 

Oh man, that would be awesome just to hear what Kaplan/Stone/etc say

[Outshined_One]

Any chance Billy Beane leaves Oakland to come to the Cubs?

 

Oh man, that would be awesome just to hear what Kaplan/Stone/etc say

 

I'd love to see who bashes Beane for writing Moneyball.

[Tyrant]

Any chance Billy Beane leaves Oakland to come to the Cubs?

 

Oh man, that would be awesome just to hear what Kaplan/Stone/etc say

 

I'd love to see who bashes Beane for writing Moneyball.

 

And hiring Brad Pitt to portray him.

[dfnowak]

For those of you who still don't believe that Crane Kenney is a concern, here are more articles that indict him:

 

Phil Rogers

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0821-rogers-cubs-future-chicag20110821,0,5919833.column

 

- "But his firing fixes nothing, especially with Crane Kenney somehow still hiding out in Tom Ricketts' blind spot."

 

- "Hendry's departure to become a turning point, Ricketts has to hire a GM who does better. And it helps nothing to have Kenney involved in the search, even if Ricketts is running it."

 

- "But the reality is that everything the Cubs do these days has become a little bit harder with Kenney in the office once occupied by MacPhail and John McDonough"

 

- "Hendry made some awful decisions, for sure. But Kenney's hands were all over a lot of them, especially the mega-contracts given Alfonso Soriano — Hendry felt the Cubs could sign him for five years but his bosses tacked on three to blow the other interested teams out of the water — and Carlos Zambrano."

 

Joe Cowley

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/7164989-573/jim-hendry-shouldnt-be-only-casualty-when-cubs-clean-house.html

 

- "Then there’s the 190-pound clown in the room that is team president Crane Kenney."

 

- "Kenney is a laughing stock around the league. His very ­presence cheapens the value of the GM position for the Cubs."

 

- "Kenney has a history of showing he can’t help but make himself more important than he really is."

 

I know Phil Rogers is kind of an idiot, but this is another of many media members who think that keeping Kenney around is a problem for the search of the next GM. I'm sorry, but like the saying goes, "where there's smoke, there's fire." I don't want anything getting in the way of hiring the best possible candidate. It sounds like Ricketts would like to hire someone with GM experience. But, if an assistant GM gets the job, there will always be doubt that Kenney had something to do with an experienced GM not being hired.

[hawkeyecub]

1) Forgive my ignorance, but can someone explain how these GM contracts work? Are Friedman and Cashman (and possibly Theo's) contracts up this year or is there an easy way to get out of those?

 

2) What did Crane Kenney do to completely piss off every member of the Chicago sports media? I get that he's a buffoon who maybe thinks too highly of himself. But damn, these guys really, really hate him.

[SouthSideRyan]

Joe Cowley is a [expletive] white sox beat writer, and a bad one at that.

[MWV]

For those of you who still don't believe that Crane Kenney is a concern, here are more articles that indict him:

Phil Rogers

Joe Cowley

 

Your argument for canning Kenny is that two of the worst sportswriters in Chicago don't like him?

I'll reserve judgement until I see what da bum thinks.

[Outshined_One]

For those of you who still don't believe that Crane Kenney is a concern, here are more articles that indict him:

 

Phil Rogers

Joe Cowley

 

How in the hell do those articles indict Crane Kenney? Rogers basically paints a portrait of Kenney as this bogeyman hiding in the shadows who somehow has influence in the organization and handles "business". The closest he comes to specifically mentioning how Crane Kenney meddled in Jim Hendry's affairs was this:

 

Hendry made some awful decisions, for sure. But Kenney's hands were all over a lot of them, especially the mega-contracts given Alfonso Soriano — Hendry felt the Cubs could sign him for five years but his bosses tacked on three to blow the other interested teams out of the water — and Carlos Zambrano.

 

All he said is that Kenney's hands were all over the deal. He didn't say that Kenney ordered Hendry to bump the offer. He didn't say Kenney went over Hendry's head. Cripes, he didn't even mention John McDonough's and Sam Zell's involvement in the Soriano deal, which actually was very well substantiated. Rogers' article is a nebulous hatchet job.

 

Cowley pulled the same crap:

 

Kenney is a laughing stock around the league. His very ­presence cheapens the value of the GM position for the Cubs.

 

Ricketts promised that the GM would report to him, not Kenney. Sure. Kenney has a history of showing he can’t help but make himself more important than he really is.

 

. . .

 

Obviously, he must also like animal balloons, squirting flowers and big red shoes, as long as Kenney is around.

 

Who said these things? Couldn't Cowley at least pull some unnamed source out of his rear, rather than making these broad assertions about Kenney?

 

I keep seeing these article painting Crane Kenney as some sort of meddling buffoon who was largely responsible for this team's failures. However, I haven't seen a single article that does any of the following two basic, simple things:

 

1) Provide instances with specific information about how Kenney meddled in the running of the Cubs.

2) Provide sources who claim that Kenney interfered in Jim Hendry's job.

 

What in the hell did Crane Kenney do to piss these people off? Are these sportswriters simply incapable of admitting that Jim Hendry's failures as Cubs GM were due to Hendry's bad decisions? I just don't get the bile.

[ctcf]

Does anyone here really think someone as business savvy as Tom Ricketts would let Crane Kenney undermine him in any meaningful way?

[dfnowak]

For those of you who still don't believe that Crane Kenney is a concern, here are more articles that indict him:

Phil Rogers

Joe Cowley

 

Your argument for canning Kenny is that two of the worst sportswriters in Chicago don't like him?

I'll reserve judgement until I see what da bum thinks.[/quote

 

Combined with other Chicago media members. Do you see a common theme here on Kenney? Regardless of your opinion on these media members, they have a lot more access into the Cubs organization than you or me.

[Guest]

For those of you who still don't believe that Crane Kenney is a concern, here are more articles that indict him:

 

Phil Rogers

Joe Cowley

 

How in the hell do those articles indict Crane Kenney? Rogers basically paints a portrait of Kenney as this bogeyman hiding in the shadows who somehow has influence in the organization and handles "business". The closest he comes to specifically mentioning how Crane Kenney meddled in Jim Hendry's affairs was this:

 

Hendry made some awful decisions, for sure. But Kenney's hands were all over a lot of them, especially the mega-contracts given Alfonso Soriano — Hendry felt the Cubs could sign him for five years but his bosses tacked on three to blow the other interested teams out of the water — and Carlos Zambrano.

 

All he said is that Kenney's hands were all over the deal. He didn't say that Kenney ordered Hendry to bump the offer. He didn't say Kenney went over Hendry's head. Cripes, he didn't even mention John McDonough's and Sam Zell's involvement in the Soriano deal, which actually was very well substantiated. Rogers' article is a nebulous hatchet job.

 

Cowley pulled the same crap:

 

Kenney is a laughing stock around the league. His very ­presence cheapens the value of the GM position for the Cubs.

 

Ricketts promised that the GM would report to him, not Kenney. Sure. Kenney has a history of showing he can’t help but make himself more important than he really is.

 

. . .

 

Obviously, he must also like animal balloons, squirting flowers and big red shoes, as long as Kenney is around.

 

Who said these things? Couldn't Cowley at least pull some unnamed source out of his rear, rather than making these broad assertions about Kenney?

 

I keep seeing these article painting Crane Kenney as some sort of meddling buffoon who was largely responsible for this team's failures. However, I haven't seen a single article that does any of the following two basic, simple things:

 

1) Provide instances with specific information about how Kenney meddled in the running of the Cubs.

2) Provide sources who claim that Kenney interfered in Jim Hendry's job.

 

What in the hell did Crane Kenney do to piss these people off? Are these sportswriters simply incapable of admitting that Jim Hendry's failures as Cubs GM were due to Hendry's bad decisions? I just don't get the bile.

Very nicely laid out argument, well done.

[dfnowak]

Does anyone here really think someone as business savvy as Tom Ricketts would let Crane Kenney undermine him in any meaningful way?

 

I would hope not. If the likes of Friedman or Cashman are being interviewed and they point out that as a condition of being hired that Kenney must be sent packing or put in the far corner, I would hope that Ricketts would comply.

[dfnowak]

So, nobody else is concerned about Kenney being involved in the GM hiring process but me???

 

I guess we'll see who is hired. If Friedmman or Cashman are hired, than I'll be wrong. But, if some assistant GM is hired, Im sure you will assume that's what Ricketts wanted all along.

[MSG T]

The fact that Chicago baseball writers don't like Kenney actually makes me like the guy a little bit more.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Does anyone here really think someone as business savvy as Tom Ricketts would let Crane Kenney undermine him in any meaningful way?

 

I would hope not. If the likes of Friedman or Cashman are being interviewed and they point out that as a condition of being hired that Kenney must be sent packing or put in the far corner, I would hope that Ricketts would comply.

 

Why....why would they say that? Why would they care one iota who Crane Kenney is? I figure they'll be like most Cubs fans and have very little clue about him beyond his name and the whole goat stunt thing (if that).

[MSG T]

So, nobody else is concerned about Kenney being involved in the GM hiring process but me???

 

I guess we'll see who is hired. If Friedmman or Cashman are hired, than I'll be wrong. But, if some assistant GM is hired, Im sure you will assume that's what Ricketts wanted all along.

 

Considering Ricketts said he's the one doing the hiring and the new GM will answer directly to him? No, I'm not concerned about Kenney in the least.

 

BTW, are you Phil Rogers?

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

So, nobody else is concerned about Kenney being involved in the GM hiring process but me???

 

I guess we'll see who is hired. If Friedmman or Cashman are hired, than I'll be wrong. But, if some assistant GM is hired, Im sure you will assume that's what Ricketts wanted all along.

 

Hopefully. Kenney really isn't that big a deal.

 

The fact that Chicago baseball writers don't like Kenney actually makes me like the guy a little bit more.

 

+1

Edited August 21, 2011 by KingKongvs.Godzilla

[USSoccer]

So, nobody else is concerned about Kenney being involved in the GM hiring process but me???

 

 

No, no one else is unable to think critically.

[dfnowak]

The fact that Chicago baseball writers don't like Kenney actually makes me like the guy a little bit more.

 

B/c you are more in tune w/ the league than them? Id like to know what questions you asked Hendry during his press conference on Friday.

[Guest]

So, nobody else is concerned about Kenney being involved in the GM hiring process but me???

 

 

Nope.

[USSoccer]

The fact that Chicago baseball writers don't like Kenney actually makes me like the guy a little bit more.

 

B/c you are more in tune w/ the league than them? Id like to know what questions you asked Hendry during his press conference on Friday.

 

Strawman is made of straw.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Crane Kenny answers to Tom Ricketts. The GM answers to Tom Ricketts. If Crane Kenney knows what's good for him, he''' stay the [expletive] out of the baseball operations.

[Tracer Bullet]

For those of you who still don't believe that Crane Kenney is a concern, here are more articles that indict him:

Phil Rogers

Joe Cowley

 

Your argument for canning Kenny is that two of the worst sportswriters in Chicago don't like him?

I'll reserve judgement until I see what da bum thinks.

 

Combined with other Chicago media members. Do you see a common theme here on Kenney? Regardless of your opinion on these media members, they have a lot more access into the Cubs organization than you or me.

 

access doesn't mean unbiased.

[SouthSideRyan]

It's pretty [expletive] transparent that Hendry didn't like Kenney, and now the worthless [expletive] Chicago media starts the whisper campaign to absolve Hendry of blame.