Zambrano says he is retiring

[SouthSideRyan]

Vick is a terrific example. Jay Cutler was beating Vick in "who do you hate more" polls after the NFC championship, and all he did was tear a knee ligament. Vick was drowning dogs.

Vick has done a lot to improve his personal image since the whole thing went down and has regained a lot of fans, but there are still quite a few people who despise him and will not root for any team he plays on.

 

Are any of them Eagles fans?

[erik316wttn]

Vick is a terrific example. Jay Cutler was beating Vick in "who do you hate more" polls after the NFC championship, and all he did was tear a knee ligament. Vick was drowning dogs.

Vick has done a lot to improve his personal image since the whole thing went down and has regained a lot of fans, but there are still quite a few people who despise him and will not root for any team he plays on.

 

Ugh. Vick served his time and paid his debt. Also, the Cutler hate is pretty ridiculous, too.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Vick is a terrific example. Jay Cutler was beating Vick in "who do you hate more" polls after the NFC championship, and all he did was tear a knee ligament. Vick was drowning dogs.

Vick has done a lot to improve his personal image since the whole thing went down and has regained a lot of fans, but there are still quite a few people who despise him and will not root for any team he plays on.

 

Ugh. Vick served his time and paid his debt. Also, the Cutler hate is pretty ridiculous, too.

 

People are pretty crazy when it comes to who they hate and why. MSN recently had a poll for most hated people in America, which was highlighted by Casey Anthony, OJ Simpson, Paris Hilton, and Spencer from The Hills, and I forrget who else. Hilton and Spencer might be some annoying personalities, but they really shouldn't be lumped in with a pair of

alleged

murderers.

[UMFan83]

Vick is a terrific example. Jay Cutler was beating Vick in "who do you hate more" polls after the NFC championship, and all he did was tear a knee ligament. Vick was drowning dogs.

Vick has done a lot to improve his personal image since the whole thing went down and has regained a lot of fans, but there are still quite a few people who despise him and will not root for any team he plays on.

 

Are any of them Eagles fans?

 

Vick was the runner up of a nationwide popularity contest to decide the next cover of Madden. He's pretty popular, even though his upcoming GQ article (exerpts on Deadspin today) is odd and he makes a few questionable comments.

[Pushfrog98]

Vick is a terrific example. Jay Cutler was beating Vick in "who do you hate more" polls after the NFC championship, and all he did was tear a knee ligament. Vick was drowning dogs.

Vick has done a lot to improve his personal image since the whole thing went down and has regained a lot of fans, but there are still quite a few people who despise him and will not root for any team he plays on.

 

Are any of them Eagles fans?

 

Vick was the runner up of a nationwide popularity contest to decide the next cover of Madden. He's pretty popular, even though his upcoming GQ article (exerpts on Deadspin today) is odd and he makes a few questionable comments.

Popular, yes. But to ignore the fact that there are still people who despise him is ignorant. Do they have the right to despise him? I think so. I personally have gotten over it because I honestly feel like he is remorseful for his actions, but others feel he needs to do more.

 

http://www.sackvick.net/ A site run by crazies? Yes. But they are still people (though I think they only count as .25 person).

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Ugh. Vick served his time and paid his debt.

He's still on probation for another 14 months or so. Debt not paid in full.

[MWV]

Vick was the runner up of a nationwide popularity contest to decide the next cover of Madden. He's pretty popular, even though his upcoming GQ article (exerpts on Deadspin today) is odd and he makes a few questionable comments.

I can't help thinking of

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[Tarver]

A few interesting points from Wittenmeyer:

 

And as trade rumors have arisen in the last two years, sources say Zambrano has said privately at times that he wants out, even as he has maintained publicly he wants to stay in Chicago.

 

But he also was unwilling to stay on top of his maintenance work during the season, initially ignored the medical staff’s advice to ditch the pregame coffee and Red Bull when he had cramping problems and was generally a headache for the training staff.

 

Teammates and others who know Zambrano well insist he’s not a bad guy. He’s often upbeat, even playful, in the clubhouse. But not even the most sympathetic players defend him as a teammate. And in the aftermath of this latest incident, some privately suggested that if Zambrano is allowed to return, it would invite every player in the clubhouse to flout the rules and do his own thing.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7128572-417/carlos-zambrano-and-the-cubs-what-went-wrong.html

 

Sheds a bit more light on some of the private problems the team was alluding to.

[Vinestal]

Zambrano has a vesting player option for 19 mil for 2013? What are the details of the option? Is it tied to a number of wins or starts or what? I'd appreciate some details if anyone knows. If it's a simple player option he'd be stupid not to pick it up. Meaning we'd be stuck paying him for another 2 years?

[Vanilla Ice]

Zambrano has a vesting player option for 19 mil for 2013? What are the details of the option? Is it tied to a number of wins or starts or what? I'd appreciate some details if anyone knows. If it's a simple player option he'd be stupid not to pick it up. Meaning we'd be stuck paying him for another 2 years?

 

I think we're gonna be safe.

 

Zambrano receives 2013 player option if 1) he is first or second in 2011 Cy Young vote or if he finishes in top 4 in 2012 Cy Young vote and 2) he is healthy at end of 2012

[Sammy Sofa]

A few interesting points from Wittenmeyer:

 

And as trade rumors have arisen in the last two years, sources say Zambrano has said privately at times that he wants out, even as he has maintained publicly he wants to stay in Chicago.

 

But he also was unwilling to stay on top of his maintenance work during the season, initially ignored the medical staff’s advice to ditch the pregame coffee and Red Bull when he had cramping problems and was generally a headache for the training staff.

 

Teammates and others who know Zambrano well insist he’s not a bad guy. He’s often upbeat, even playful, in the clubhouse. But not even the most sympathetic players defend him as a teammate. And in the aftermath of this latest incident, some privately suggested that if Zambrano is allowed to return, it would invite every player in the clubhouse to flout the rules and do his own thing.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7128572-417/carlos-zambrano-and-the-cubs-what-went-wrong.html

 

Sheds a bit more light on some of the private problems the team was alluding to.

 

Oh, shocker that the Cubs are leaking this.

[Vinestal]

Zambrano has a vesting player option for 19 mil for 2013? What are the details of the option? Is it tied to a number of wins or starts or what? I'd appreciate some details if anyone knows. If it's a simple player option he'd be stupid not to pick it up. Meaning we'd be stuck paying him for another 2 years?

 

I think we're gonna be safe.

 

Zambrano receives 2013 player option if 1) he is first or second in 2011 Cy Young vote or if he finishes in top 4 in 2012 Cy Young vote and 2) he is healthy at end of 2012

 

Oh, thank God... Weeew...

[Guest]

A few interesting points from Wittenmeyer:

 

And as trade rumors have arisen in the last two years, sources say Zambrano has said privately at times that he wants out, even as he has maintained publicly he wants to stay in Chicago.

 

But he also was unwilling to stay on top of his maintenance work during the season, initially ignored the medical staff’s advice to ditch the pregame coffee and Red Bull when he had cramping problems and was generally a headache for the training staff.

 

Teammates and others who know Zambrano well insist he’s not a bad guy. He’s often upbeat, even playful, in the clubhouse. But not even the most sympathetic players defend him as a teammate. And in the aftermath of this latest incident, some privately suggested that if Zambrano is allowed to return, it would invite every player in the clubhouse to flout the rules and do his own thing.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7128572-417/carlos-zambrano-and-the-cubs-what-went-wrong.html

 

Sheds a bit more light on some of the private problems the team was alluding to.

 

Oh, shocker that the Cubs are leaking this.

Yep. Can't say Z didn't make it easy for them though. I don't know that I'd want to come to the Cubs if I was a big time FA. Z might be a dick, but management is in John Holmes' league.

[dew1679666265]

And in the aftermath of this latest incident, some privately suggested that if Zambrano is allowed to return, it would invite every player in the clubhouse to flout the rules and do his own thing.

 

I'm confused by this line of thinking. How is cutting a player with a guaranteed contract considered disciplining him? He's getting $18 million next year whether the Cubs cut him or keep him. I can fully understand disciplining him - suspending him for the rest of this season without pay makes sense in that regard - but how is cutting him discipline?

[CubsInNC]

The Pacers. Most people I talk to about the team don't want anything to do with them. They went to games previously, but they just have no interest right now even with the Pacers getting better. Some of the Pacers fans will come back as they get closer and closer to contention, but the town will never be Pacers crazy again like they were during the 90's.

 

Just want to clarify something about this. Having lived in Indy during that time frame, and been around several pacers players, the city was Pacers crazy... or real big Knick haters take your pick. But the point is, the Pacers were winning. There were problems. There were players with reputations for poor behavior. But, it didn't matter as much, because they were winning. Stories were ignored, or just not deemed important, because the teams were good. Yes, the fanbase did get tired of Tinsley, Jackson, Artest, Williams, Best, Davis, et al. But, was that because they were poorer examples of behavior, or was that because they were scapegoated and pointed at, because the pacers were losing?

[davearm2]

A few interesting points from Wittenmeyer:

 

And as trade rumors have arisen in the last two years, sources say Zambrano has said privately at times that he wants out, even as he has maintained publicly he wants to stay in Chicago.

 

But he also was unwilling to stay on top of his maintenance work during the season, initially ignored the medical staff’s advice to ditch the pregame coffee and Red Bull when he had cramping problems and was generally a headache for the training staff.

 

Teammates and others who know Zambrano well insist he’s not a bad guy. He’s often upbeat, even playful, in the clubhouse. But not even the most sympathetic players defend him as a teammate. And in the aftermath of this latest incident, some privately suggested that if Zambrano is allowed to return, it would invite every player in the clubhouse to flout the rules and do his own thing.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7128572-417/carlos-zambrano-and-the-cubs-what-went-wrong.html

 

Sheds a bit more light on some of the private problems the team was alluding to.

 

Oh, shocker that the Cubs are leaking this.

Yes, how dare THE CUBS let anyone know that Zambrano drinks coffee. AND RED BULL TOO!

[Cubfanintheknow]

A few interesting points from Wittenmeyer:

 

And as trade rumors have arisen in the last two years, sources say Zambrano has said privately at times that he wants out, even as he has maintained publicly he wants to stay in Chicago.

 

But he also was unwilling to stay on top of his maintenance work during the season, initially ignored the medical staff’s advice to ditch the pregame coffee and Red Bull when he had cramping problems and was generally a headache for the training staff.

 

Teammates and others who know Zambrano well insist he’s not a bad guy. He’s often upbeat, even playful, in the clubhouse. But not even the most sympathetic players defend him as a teammate. And in the aftermath of this latest incident, some privately suggested that if Zambrano is allowed to return, it would invite every player in the clubhouse to flout the rules and do his own thing.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7128572-417/carlos-zambrano-and-the-cubs-what-went-wrong.html

 

Sheds a bit more light on some of the private problems the team was alluding to.

 

Oh, shocker that the Cubs are leaking this.

Yes, how dare THE CUBS let anyone know that Zambrano drinks coffee. AND RED BULL TOO!

 

Please, please, please do not confuse "players" talking about Zambrano with "the Cubs." You're grasping at straws you desperately want there but don't know for sure. Makes you look bad.

[Sammy Sofa]

A few interesting points from Wittenmeyer:

 

And as trade rumors have arisen in the last two years, sources say Zambrano has said privately at times that he wants out, even as he has maintained publicly he wants to stay in Chicago.

 

But he also was unwilling to stay on top of his maintenance work during the season, initially ignored the medical staff’s advice to ditch the pregame coffee and Red Bull when he had cramping problems and was generally a headache for the training staff.

 

Teammates and others who know Zambrano well insist he’s not a bad guy. He’s often upbeat, even playful, in the clubhouse. But not even the most sympathetic players defend him as a teammate. And in the aftermath of this latest incident, some privately suggested that if Zambrano is allowed to return, it would invite every player in the clubhouse to flout the rules and do his own thing.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7128572-417/carlos-zambrano-and-the-cubs-what-went-wrong.html

 

Sheds a bit more light on some of the private problems the team was alluding to.

 

Oh, shocker that the Cubs are leaking this.

Yes, how dare THE CUBS let anyone know that Zambrano drinks coffee. AND RED BULL TOO!

 

Please, please, please do not confuse "players" talking about Zambrano with "the Cubs." You're grasping at straws you desperately want there but don't know for sure. Makes you look bad.

 

That's never stopped him before.

[davearm2]

]

 

Oh, shocker that the Cubs are leaking this.

Yes, how dare THE CUBS let anyone know that Zambrano drinks coffee. AND RED BULL TOO!

 

Please, please, please do not confuse "players" talking about Zambrano with "the Cubs." You're grasping at straws you desperately want there but don't know for sure. Makes you look bad.

 

That's never stopped him before.

LOL I was using sarcasm to highlight the absurdity of YOUR post. You are the one grasping at straws and looking bad doing so.

 

What, exactly, did THE CUBS leak???

[jersey cubs fan]

And in the aftermath of this latest incident, some privately suggested that if Zambrano is allowed to return, it would invite every player in the clubhouse to flout the rules and do his own thing.

 

I'm confused by this line of thinking. How is cutting a player with a guaranteed contract considered disciplining him? He's getting $18 million next year whether the Cubs cut him or keep him. I can fully understand disciplining him - suspending him for the rest of this season without pay makes sense in that regard - but how is cutting him discipline?

 

Yeah, it is absurd to suggest that allowing the guy back after a long suspension automatically gives everybody else carte blanche. Finally chopping off Hendry's head should send another message on top of Z's suspension.

[Sammy Sofa]

]

 

Oh, shocker that the Cubs are leaking this.

Yes, how dare THE CUBS let anyone know that Zambrano drinks coffee. AND RED BULL TOO!

 

Please, please, please do not confuse "players" talking about Zambrano with "the Cubs." You're grasping at straws you desperately want there but don't know for sure. Makes you look bad.

 

That's never stopped him before.

LOL I was using sarcasm to highlight the absurdity of YOUR post. You are the one grasping at straws and looking bad doing so.

 

What, exactly, did THE CUBS leak???

 

Where could that information have come from except from players or (more likely) other people working throughout the organization? The word to everyone working for the organization, players or otherwise, after all of this went should have been DON'T TALK TO THE PRESS. Is that going to completely keep people from leaking information? Of course not, but otherwise this is fitting right into their too predictable pattern of further tearing down a player on the outs when people have such an obvious abundance of info to work with.

 

And I have no idea how your sarcasm was supposed to "work." It's not like they were leaking basic info about his dietary habits. The coffee and Red Bull came up specifically in regards to how it effects his cramping and his supposed refusal or unwillingness to cut back despite the advice of the trainers/medical staff. Seems like a pretty stupid thing to be letting get out there. Just helps smash any shred of leverage they hope to have in trading him to dust.

[Cubfanintheknow]

Telling players not to talk about the Zambrano situation would be much worse than "leaking" information. Not that the Cubs leaked any information in this instance.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm sorry, but how do you guys think that this information is finally getting out? People inside the organization are talking, obviously. And how it would be worse if the official word from the top was to not discuss the matter with the press? That should be the standard with these type of issues.

[KingCubsFan]

Zambrano had zero value before things came out in the press, and he has zero value after. It's not like each MLB team operates in a vacuum, and the only way they find out about other teams' players is through Gordon Wittenmeyer's hard-hitting journalism. I'm pretty confident every MLB team knows more about Carlos Zambrano than we do and is aware of numerous instances that we've never heard about. And that, coupled with the fact that he's not the pitcher he used to be, is the reason nobody wants him.

[Sammy Sofa]

Zambrano had zero value before things came out in the press, and he has zero value after. It's not like each MLB team operates in a vacuum, and the only way they find out about other teams' players is through Gordon Wittenmeyer's hard-hitting journalism. I'm pretty confident every MLB team knows more about Carlos Zambrano than we do and is aware of numerous instances that we've never heard about. And that, coupled with the fact that he's not the pitcher he used to be, is the reason nobody wants him.

 

Hence why I said "shred of leverage." On top of that it just makes the organization look crappy. Zambrano has done more than enough on his own to make himself look like a mess. The organization piling on serves to accomplish...what?

 

Meatballism, rolling merrily along, yet again.

 

Oh, and teams DO want him. To say otherwise is absurd. Teams are always convinced they have the staff or the change of scenery to make a talented but troubled player click. They just don't want him where they have to give up anything of significant value because they know the Cubs are effectively over a barrel right now if they want to trade him. Multiple teams have taken chances on Milton Bradley, and he's an even worse headcase than Zambrano. Teams took chances on seemingly washed up junkie Josh Hamilton. There will be teams that want to take a chance with Zambrano.