Quade goes off on Castro, Barney

[USSoccer]

Why stop there? Going up to bat and running the bases both present a stronger injury risk than playing the field.

 

I was wondering why you hadn't chimed in yet.

[XZero771679666304]

So when Sori "hustles" and separates his shoulder diving, thus turning Campana into the everyday LFer, we can take comfort in knowing that Sori was giving it 100%.

So the better a player is, the more foolish it becomes for that player to give a full effort? Do I have that right?

 

No, because "full effort" is far too broad a term. I am saying that the better the player the less I want them to put themselves at risk. If the Cubs signed Matt Kemp I'd be perfectly fine with him never diving again.

 

I agree. Personally I cringe when I see ARam running full speed (I feel that way with Sori, but that's diminishing).

 

I'm not even a Texas fan, but I cringe whenever I see Josh Hamilton diving. Some players are hardy and can take the abuse, but sometimes discretion is just the better part of valor. Sometimes backing down the intensity is better for the team.

[Soul]

Right. So for Josh Hamilton, a full effort would not include diving and putting his entire season at risk......which if injured would mean he couldn't put forth *any* effort at all the rest of the season.

 

And people just need to start understanding that kind of stuff.

[davearm2]

Right. So for Josh Hamilton, a full effort would not include diving and putting his entire season at risk......which if injured would mean he couldn't put forth *any* effort at all the rest of the season.

 

And people just need to start understanding that kind of stuff.

How do you reconcile this with the risk of stepping to the plate? His entire season is at risk facing 90+ MPH fastballs. Those have been known to break bones, cause concussions, etc.

[JimSorgi]

Right. So for Josh Hamilton, a full effort would not include diving and putting his entire season at risk......which if injured would mean he couldn't put forth *any* effort at all the rest of the season.

 

And people just need to start understanding that kind of stuff.

How do you reconcile this with the risk of stepping to the plate? His entire season is at risk facing 90+ MPH fastballs. Those have been known to break bones, cause concussions, etc.

You could think about it for five seconds and realize stepping to the plate is a necessity while throwing his body around like a moron isn't.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Right. So for Josh Hamilton, a full effort would not include diving and putting his entire season at risk......which if injured would mean he couldn't put forth *any* effort at all the rest of the season.

 

And people just need to start understanding that kind of stuff.

How do you reconcile this with the risk of stepping to the plate? His entire season is at risk facing 90+ MPH fastballs. Those have been known to break bones, cause concussions, etc.

 

From the Dept. of Things That Should Not Have to Be Explained:

 

 

The goal is to keep him coming to the plate, because that's where his value to the team is. Not diving or running full-speed unnecessarily prevents him from being hurt so that he can keep coming to the plate. You wouldn't keep him from going up to the plate in order to keep him from being hurt so that he couldn't go up to the plate.

 

Putting your money in the bank keeps it from being stolen. So does putting it in a pile and burning it. That doesn't mean that you have to reconcile doing the former and not the latter.

[davearm2]

Right. So for Josh Hamilton, a full effort would not include diving and putting his entire season at risk......which if injured would mean he couldn't put forth *any* effort at all the rest of the season.

 

And people just need to start understanding that kind of stuff.

How do you reconcile this with the risk of stepping to the plate? His entire season is at risk facing 90+ MPH fastballs. Those have been known to break bones, cause concussions, etc.

You could think about it for five seconds and realize stepping to the plate is a necessity while throwing his body around like a moron isn't.

So now we've reached the point where an OF diving to catch a baseball is tantamount to throwing his body around like a moron.

 

Should he never slide on the basepaths either? Same basic motion, only more risk, with a fielder and a base a guy could jam into.

[XZero771679666304]

Right. So for Josh Hamilton, a full effort would not include diving and putting his entire season at risk......which if injured would mean he couldn't put forth *any* effort at all the rest of the season.

 

And people just need to start understanding that kind of stuff.

How do you reconcile this with the risk of stepping to the plate? His entire season is at risk facing 90+ MPH fastballs. Those have been known to break bones, cause concussions, etc.

You could think about it for five seconds and realize stepping to the plate is a necessity while throwing his body around like a moron isn't.

So now we've reached the point where an OF diving to catch a baseball is tantamount to throwing his body around like a moron.

 

Should he never slide on the basepaths either? Same basic motion, only more risk, with a fielder and a base a guy could jam into.

 

Jesus jumped up Christ. Really?

[davearm2]

Right. So for Josh Hamilton, a full effort would not include diving and putting his entire season at risk......which if injured would mean he couldn't put forth *any* effort at all the rest of the season.

 

And people just need to start understanding that kind of stuff.

How do you reconcile this with the risk of stepping to the plate? His entire season is at risk facing 90+ MPH fastballs. Those have been known to break bones, cause concussions, etc.

 

From the Dept. of Things That Should Not Have to Be Explained:

 

 

The goal is to keep him coming to the plate, because that's where his value to the team is. Not diving or running full-speed unnecessarily prevents him from being hurt so that he can keep coming to the plate. You wouldn't keep him from going up to the plate in order to keep him from being hurt so that he couldn't go up to the plate.

 

Putting your money in the bank keeps it from being stolen. So does putting it in a pile and burning it. That doesn't mean that you have to reconcile doing the former and not the latter.

Settle down bud. Just pointing out the slippery slope at work here.

[davearm2]

Right. So for Josh Hamilton, a full effort would not include diving and putting his entire season at risk......which if injured would mean he couldn't put forth *any* effort at all the rest of the season.

 

And people just need to start understanding that kind of stuff.

How do you reconcile this with the risk of stepping to the plate? His entire season is at risk facing 90+ MPH fastballs. Those have been known to break bones, cause concussions, etc.

You could think about it for five seconds and realize stepping to the plate is a necessity while throwing his body around like a moron isn't.

So now we've reached the point where an OF diving to catch a baseball is tantamount to throwing his body around like a moron.

 

Should he never slide on the basepaths either? Same basic motion, only more risk, with a fielder and a base a guy could jam into.

 

Jesus jumped up Christ. Really?

So I understand you, a guy should go ahead and slide on the bases, but not dive in the field? And it's an obvious no-brainer?

 

So on a 1-10 scale, what's the risk involved in the two activities?

[XZero771679666304]

Right. So for Josh Hamilton, a full effort would not include diving and putting his entire season at risk......which if injured would mean he couldn't put forth *any* effort at all the rest of the season.

 

And people just need to start understanding that kind of stuff.

How do you reconcile this with the risk of stepping to the plate? His entire season is at risk facing 90+ MPH fastballs. Those have been known to break bones, cause concussions, etc.

 

From the Dept. of Things That Should Not Have to Be Explained:

 

 

The goal is to keep him coming to the plate, because that's where his value to the team is. Not diving or running full-speed unnecessarily prevents him from being hurt so that he can keep coming to the plate. You wouldn't keep him from going up to the plate in order to keep him from being hurt so that he couldn't go up to the plate.

 

Putting your money in the bank keeps it from being stolen. So does putting it in a pile and burning it. That doesn't mean that you have to reconcile doing the former and not the latter.

Settle down bud. Just pointing out the slippery slope at work here.

 

It's really not that slippery, but you're flailing trying to pour some oil on it.

 

There's inherent risk in any sport. You try and reduce that risk where you can, especially when the situation calls for it. It's really just that simple.

[SouthSideRyan]

I don't know how many times it needs to be said that they're not 8 year old little leaguers, but they're not 8 year old little leaguers.

They're not automatons either. Folks act like a guy dogging it has no impact on the rest of the team, as if they're impervious to basic human nature.

 

They're not 8 year old little leaguers.

[davearm2]

I don't know how many times it needs to be said that they're not 8 year old little leaguers, but they're not 8 year old little leaguers.

They're not automatons either. Folks act like a guy dogging it has no impact on the rest of the team, as if they're impervious to basic human nature.

 

They're not 8 year old little leaguers.

That's what I said.

[TruffleShuffle]

i think team morale would be a lot higher if once in a while those lazy [expletive] cheapskates ARAM and soriano would just take the [expletive] team out for a [expletive] ice cream after a win.

[Sammy Sofa]

Why stop there? Going up to bat and running the bases both present a stronger injury risk than playing the field.

 

Because those are essential parts of the game. Flinging out in a dive for a catch isn't. Ideally nobody would have to explain to this to you.

[davearm2]

Why stop there? Going up to bat and running the bases both present a stronger injury risk than playing the field.

 

Because those are essential parts of the game. Flinging out in a dive for a catch isn't. Ideally nobody would have to explain to this to you.

Catching the ball is not an essential part of the game, huh? Fascinating.

[Sammy Sofa]

Oh, come on. That's a reach even for you. Nobody here honestly thinks you can't see the difference between making a typical catch and diving/leaping to make catches where the chances of injury/screwing up are drastically increased.

[wekse]

Why stop there? Going up to bat and running the bases both present a stronger injury risk than playing the field.

 

Because those are essential parts of the game. Flinging out in a dive for a catch isn't. Ideally nobody would have to explain to this to you.

Catching the ball is not an essential part of the game, huh? Fascinating.

 

quit being so [expletive] dense.

[XZero771679666304]

Why stop there? Going up to bat and running the bases both present a stronger injury risk than playing the field.

 

Because those are essential parts of the game. Flinging out in a dive for a catch isn't. Ideally nobody would have to explain to this to you.

Catching the ball is not an essential part of the game, huh? Fascinating.

 

Your posts are being intentionally obtuse (I know some people are fond of that term, if memory serves). Or your posts actually are obtuse. But they're not clever. The former two are debatable, but the latter isn't.

[Bowas temper]

In all honesty, this season can end tomorrow for all I care. Lots of changes coming to our club.

[davearm2]

Oh, come on. That's a reach even for you. Nobody here honestly thinks you can't see the difference between making a typical catch and diving/leaping to make catches where the chances of injury/screwing up are drastically increased.

So diving/leaping to make catches is out. Too dangerous, plus non-essential.

 

What about sliding into bases? Is that essential or not? Dangerous or not?

[USSoccer]

Why stop there? Going up to bat and running the bases both present a stronger injury risk than playing the field.

 

Because those are essential parts of the game. Flinging out in a dive for a catch isn't. Ideally nobody would have to explain to this to you.

Catching the ball is not an essential part of the game, huh? Fascinating.

 

This is bad even for you.

[Sammy Sofa]

You do realize that nobody is saying or has said that players shouldn't ever be exposed to situations that could hurt them, right? You DO understand the difference between inherent risk (sliding into bases) and unnecessary risk (laying out/leaping for a catch), yes? Edited July 22, 2011 by Sammy Sofa

[Tryptamine]

Oh, come on. That's a reach even for you. Nobody here honestly thinks you can't see the difference between making a typical catch and diving/leaping to make catches where the chances of injury/screwing up are drastically increased.

So diving/leaping to make catches is out. Too dangerous, plus non-essential.

 

What about sliding into bases? Is that essential or not? Dangerous or not?

 

This kind of thing is becoming more and more irritating.

[XZero771679666304]

Why stop there? Going up to bat and running the bases both present a stronger injury risk than playing the field.

 

Because those are essential parts of the game. Flinging out in a dive for a catch isn't. Ideally nobody would have to explain to this to you.

Catching the ball is not an essential part of the game, huh? Fascinating.

 

This is bad even for you.

 

Don't you see? He's just trying to help us see all sides of the issue by adopting the affectations of an abject moron. It's brilliant.