Quade goes off on Castro, Barney

[jersey cubs fan]

Other than that though, he's probably lost 20-30 bases so far this season on both sides of the ball just from lack of hustle (although I still believe his hustle issues are overstated because the way he runs it sometimes look like he's not running as hard as he actually is-but sometimes he does lollygag).

 

Wow that is just a whole bunch of ridiculous unsubstantiated nonsense right there.

[bhogg]

can we get back to hating on the knob gobbling manager?

[Pushfrog98]

can we get back to hating on the knob gobbling manager?

bhogg... you've been pretty active here the last few days... did dee-nee die?

[Sammy Sofa]

by no means should players be going "all out" every single time they make a play.

 

ARAM buys into this philosophy, it seems to fit others on the team.

 

And the Cubs would be a much, much better team if they players as naturally good as Aramis instead of ones that have to grit and hustle to maximize what relatively little value they have.

 

 

 

Yay for False Choices!

 

It's not a false choice. Guys who have to play balls out and "110%" every damn time they go out there are, one: going to be much worse baseball players than the ones that don't have to, and two: tend to not be regular players because if they were they would get hurt even more often than they do largely due to their "hustle."

 

I mean, the "false choice" in all of this is the idea that professional athletes like Soriano and Aramis are in any way "lazy" like the mouth-breathers who accuse them of being think they are. They might not go [expletive] nuts with the effort like someone who isn't very good at baseball like Reed Johnson or Tony Campana, but that's because they're so much more valuable and they don't want to hurt themselves and possibly shorten or end their career placating the meatballs who think someone not sprinting out an obvious ground-out or diving for any ball they have .0000001% of catching that comes in their direction is somehow "lazy."

 

It's especially ridiculous when you look at guys like Aramis and Ramirez, who fat humps love to call "lazy," also get raked over the coals by the same piles of waste for being "injured too often." Which is it? Do you want the guy being productive on the field or do you want him giving him more "effort" (which is completely subjective and not quantifiable at all)?

[Abe Frohman]

Some of you guys really sound ridiculously intelligent. Like only the untalented players hustle, and the gifted athletes don't because they don't have to.

 

What total BS.

 

They are all big league players, paid well to perform. As Joe Dimaggio said, he always played hard because he never knew when someone was watching him for the first time. Reed Johnson is a better OFer than Alfonso Soriano. Probably because he hustles. Definately because he makes effort. Hell no, he isn't a better baseball player, but I would rather watch him play OF for the Cubs than Soriano. Especially when winning is important.

 

Call it hustle, effort, assonfire, or whatever - nothing pisses me off more than seeing a guy loaf his overpaid ass around the OF while a pitcher if fighting for his life on the bump. How many times did Soriano "hop" before catching a pop fly? FOR WHAT DAMNED REASON????? I don't understand why more teammates, coaches, or managers didn't RIP him a new stinkstar each and every damned time he did it.

 

How many times did he launch a ball off the wall, only to skip out of the box and end up on 1st base? There is a reason he plays the OF the way he does, and there is a reason he loafs. It's obvious, unacceptable, and a good example of why the Chicago Cubs have a crap team. That kind of stuff is acceptable - but let Mike Quade take a crap all over your best player just because he is barely legal to drink.

 

This organization sucks. At least our new owners don't have their heads up their butts.

[XZero771679666304]

Hell no, he isn't a better baseball player, but I would rather watch him play OF for the Cubs than Soriano. Especially when winning is important.

 

 

That may be the stupidest thing I have ever read on this board.

[JimSorgi]

Hell no, he isn't a better baseball player, but I would rather watch him play OF for the Cubs than Soriano. Especially when winning is important.

 

 

That may be the stupidest thing I have ever read on this board.

I can't even understand what he's saying. He wants to win...but he wants to have the worse player playing?

[Sammy Sofa]

I'd like to see someone come up with a number of the number of doubles that Soriano turned into singles with his loafing. If it's such a problem I'll bet it's a lot.

 

And he hopped for the same reason he isn't diving all over the OF and leaping into walls; he's not a strong defender at any position, and sure as hell isn't an OF. Some guys can just get bounced around from position to position and succeed. Others can't. The hop was something that he claimed helped settle him down and improve his timing out there.

 

And I'm sorry, but why do you buy the DiMaggio quote like it's some kind of fact? Because the guy says he played hard and hustled every single time it means he did? How is that not the usual [expletive] we hear from almost every single coach and athlete in the history of professional sports?

[XZero771679666304]

Hell no, he isn't a better baseball player, but I would rather watch him play OF for the Cubs than Soriano. Especially when winning is important.

 

 

That may be the stupidest thing I have ever read on this board.

I can't even understand what he's saying. He wants to win...but he wants to have the worse player playing?

 

It's amazingly backwards, and it's a perfect illustration of how irrational the obsession with hustle is.

[XZero771679666304]

 

And I'm sorry, but why do you buy the DiMaggio quote like it's some kind of fact? Because the guy says he played hard and hustled every single time it means he did? How is that not the usual [expletive] we hear from almost every single coach and athlete in the history of professional sports?

 

Because the sausage king obviously lives in world ruled by cliche, myth and little league dogma. At least his posts do.

[Sammy Sofa]

I mean, it's a good quote, but why should we accept it as true? Just because he's Joe DiMaggio? Of course he's going to say something like that. If pressed Soriano would say he's "giving it his all" or something similar.

[imb]

Call it hustle, effort, assonfire, or whatever - nothing pisses me off more than seeing a guy loaf his overpaid ass around the OF while a pitcher if fighting for his life on the bump.

 

and don't even get me started on when runners get picked off first base with a batter standing there in the HOT BOX putting his life on the line

[USSoccer]

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by no means should players be going "all out" every single time they make a play.

 

ARAM buys into this philosophy, it seems to fit others on the team.

 

Jesus Red Roaring Christ

[USSoccer]

 

It's especially ridiculous when you look at guys like Aramis and Ramirez, who fat humps love to call "lazy," also get raked over the coals by the same piles of waste for being "injured too often." Which is it? Do you want the guy being productive on the field or do you want him giving him more "effort" (which is completely subjective and not quantifiable at all)?

 

If he would stop listening to reggaeton and starting hitting the weights, he wouldn't have missed like all of 2009 when he dove and separated his shoulder.

 

Lazy ass.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

How many times did he launch a ball off the wall, only to skip out of the box and end up on 1st base?

 

I don't know, how many times?

[Tryptamine]

So when Sori "hustles" and separates his shoulder diving, thus turning Campana into the everyday LFer, we can take comfort in knowing that Sori was giving it 100%.

[XZero771679666304]

So when Sori "hustles" and separates his shoulder diving, thus turning Campana into the everyday LFer, we can take comfort in knowing that Sori was giving it 100%.

 

We'd rather watch the lesser player hustle anyway. At least when winning is important.

[davearm2]

I don't know how many times it needs to be said that they're not 8 year old little leaguers, but they're not 8 year old little leaguers.

They're not automatons either. Folks act like a guy dogging it has no impact on the rest of the team, as if they're impervious to basic human nature.

[davearm2]

So when Sori "hustles" and separates his shoulder diving, thus turning Campana into the everyday LFer, we can take comfort in knowing that Sori was giving it 100%.

So the better a player is, the more foolish it becomes for that player to give a full effort? Do I have that right?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I don't know how many times it needs to be said that they're not 8 year old little leaguers, but they're not 8 year old little leaguers.

They're not automatons either. Folks act like a guy dogging it has no impact on the rest of the team, as if they're impervious to basic human nature.

 

"Basic human nature" in this case is "something I just made up and assumed humans do."

[XZero771679666304]

I don't know how many times it needs to be said that they're not 8 year old little leaguers, but they're not 8 year old little leaguers.

They're not automatons either. Folks act like a guy dogging it has no impact on the rest of the team, as if they're impervious to basic human nature.

 

To a small degree maybe. Lack of hustle isn't some contagion that turns a contender into an also-ran.

[Soul]

So when Sori "hustles" and separates his shoulder diving, thus turning Campana into the everyday LFer, we can take comfort in knowing that Sori was giving it 100%.

So the better a player is, the more foolish it becomes for that player to give a full effort? Do I have that right?

 

Uh, no. It's about what people perceive to be giving a full effort, and for which players.

[Tryptamine]

So when Sori "hustles" and separates his shoulder diving, thus turning Campana into the everyday LFer, we can take comfort in knowing that Sori was giving it 100%.

So the better a player is, the more foolish it becomes for that player to give a full effort? Do I have that right?

 

No, because "full effort" is far too broad a term. I am saying that the better the player the less I want them to put themselves at risk. If the Cubs signed Matt Kemp I'd be perfectly fine with him never diving again.

[XZero771679666304]

So when Sori "hustles" and separates his shoulder diving, thus turning Campana into the everyday LFer, we can take comfort in knowing that Sori was giving it 100%.

So the better a player is, the more foolish it becomes for that player to give a full effort? Do I have that right?

 

No, the less sense it makes for a player to hustle the more foolish it becomes. Like when a player is injury prone. When a guy is valuable but is injured fairly easily, where is the value in forcing him to fling himself around? Feeling that satisfaction in knowing he gave it all, even when your club is set back when he get hurt?

[davearm2]

Why stop there? Going up to bat and running the bases both present a stronger injury risk than playing the field.