Quade goes off on Castro, Barney

[Cubfanintheknow]

Soriano is not loafing. He's just giving himself time to calculate the percentages of a successful diving catch. So he need to improve his risk assessment.

 

It's the new "sixth tool" that baseball analysts are now talking about.

[davearm2]

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=lf&stats=fld&lg=nl&qual=500&type=1&season=2011&month=0&season1=2008&ind=0

 

his defense is more than fine; stop being such a dumbass, davearm

That's great that his defense is more than fine. The point is, it could be much better than fine simply with more effort.

 

Imagine a guy is hitting .300 without watching a second of video, but could boost that up to .330 if he spent 30 minutes a day studying pitchers. Are you going to be satisfied with the .300, since that's more than fine too?

[davearm2]

Stop using these made up probabilities; they just make you look ridiculous. You just posted without thinking twice that you think someone is likely to end up with a double on a ball that an OF played as a hit off of a hop that they had a 50% chance of catching. Read that again and think about what an insane scenario you've created, since apparently the OF has an arm even weaker than Juan Pierre.

 

And your whole comparison is totally arbitrary and makes zero sense because it has no basis in anything except what you've made up to back up your point.

A page ago we agreed that we're in the same ballpark on the probabilities. Not sure why you're going bananas about them now.

[davearm2]

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=lf&stats=fld&lg=nl&qual=500&type=1&season=2011&month=0&season1=2008&ind=0

 

his defense is more than fine; stop being such a dumbass, davearm

 

Defensive metrics? You really think he's the second-best leftfielder in the national league? LOL. You seriously are pathetic.

 

Those metrics don't show he's the second-best leftfielder in the NL. But thanks for stopping by and embarrassing yourself again by thinking they do.

[MSG T]

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=lf&stats=fld&lg=nl&qual=500&type=1&season=2011&month=0&season1=2008&ind=0

 

his defense is more than fine; stop being such a dumbass, davearm

 

Defensive metrics? You really think he's the second-best leftfielder in the national league? LOL. You seriously are pathetic.

 

Those metrics don't show he's the second-best leftfielder in the NL. But thanks for stopping by and embarrassing yourself again by thinking they do.

 

 

Well, that went over your head.

 

And they do show he's the fourth best. Maybe not "prove" he's the fourth best, but you get the picture... I'll assume (probably shouldn't do that).

[davearm2]

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=lf&stats=fld&lg=nl&qual=500&type=1&season=2011&month=0&season1=2008&ind=0

 

his defense is more than fine; stop being such a dumbass, davearm

 

Defensive metrics? You really think he's the second-best leftfielder in the national league? LOL. You seriously are pathetic.

 

Those metrics don't show he's the second-best leftfielder in the NL. But thanks for stopping by and embarrassing yourself again by thinking they do.

 

 

Well, that went over your head.

 

And they do show he's the fourth best. Maybe not "prove" he's the fourth best, but you get the picture... I'll assume (probably shouldn't do that).

Fourth best? Huh? Not the point, but seriously, WTF? Some allegedly saber-savvy folks apparently have no clue how to read and interpret what they're looking at.

[MSG T]

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=lf&stats=fld&lg=nl&qual=500&type=1&season=2011&month=0&season1=2008&ind=0

 

his defense is more than fine; stop being such a dumbass, davearm

 

Defensive metrics? You really think he's the second-best leftfielder in the national league? LOL. You seriously are pathetic.

 

Those metrics don't show he's the second-best leftfielder in the NL. But thanks for stopping by and embarrassing yourself again by thinking they do.

 

 

Well, that went over your head.

 

And they do show he's the fourth best. Maybe not "prove" he's the fourth best, but you get the picture... I'll assume (probably shouldn't do that).

Fourth best? Huh? Not the point, but seriously, WTF? Some allegedly saber-savvy folks apparently have no clue how to read and interpret what they're looking at.

 

 

Are we not still talking about his defense? He's currently fourth among qualified LF in the NL.

 

And I think truffle's post was suggesting that you would say something like what he wrote, not that he thinks that.

[Sammy Sofa]

Stop using these made up probabilities; they just make you look ridiculous. You just posted without thinking twice that you think someone is likely to end up with a double on a ball that an OF played as a hit off of a hop that they had a 50% chance of catching. Read that again and think about what an insane scenario you've created, since apparently the OF has an arm even weaker than Juan Pierre.

 

And your whole comparison is totally arbitrary and makes zero sense because it has no basis in anything except what you've made up to back up your point.

A page ago we agreed that we're in the same ballpark on the probabilities. Not sure why you're going bananas about them now.

 

Because they're totally [expletive] probabilities we were making up. The closest thing I came to "agreeing" with you was how close we actually were in our totally made up projections when guessing how many times in a week MLB players who try to make a diving leaping catch are successful.

[Sammy Sofa]

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=lf&stats=fld&lg=nl&qual=500&type=1&season=2011&month=0&season1=2008&ind=0

 

his defense is more than fine; stop being such a dumbass, davearm

That's great that his defense is more than fine. The point is, it could be much better than fine simply with more effort.

 

Imagine a guy is hitting .300 without watching a second of video, but could boost that up to .330 if he spent 30 minutes a day studying pitchers. Are you going to be satisfied with the .300, since that's more than fine too?

 

That's a faulty point and comparison. The "more effort part" you want in the field is likely going to impact his defense negatively since he has limited ability as an OF. Having a 35-year-old non-OF who is wary about injuring his legs again bust his ass and try to make trickier catchers on the fly or diving and leaping for balls isn't going to end well. I don't know why you think it's as a simple as "he just needs to try harder," because it's not. The "more effort" you want is going to reduce his defensive ability because it's going to increase and further expose the flaws in his defensive game.

[davearm2]

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=lf&stats=fld&lg=nl&qual=500&type=1&season=2011&month=0&season1=2008&ind=0

 

his defense is more than fine; stop being such a dumbass, davearm

That's great that his defense is more than fine. The point is, it could be much better than fine simply with more effort.

 

Imagine a guy is hitting .300 without watching a second of video, but could boost that up to .330 if he spent 30 minutes a day studying pitchers. Are you going to be satisfied with the .300, since that's more than fine too?

 

That's a faulty point and comparison. The "more effort part" you want in the field is likely going to impact his defense negatively since he has limited ability as an OF. Having a 35-year-old non-OF who is wary about injuring his legs again bust his ass and try to make trickier catchers on the fly or diving and leaping for balls isn't going to end well. I don't know why you think it's as a simple as "he just needs to try harder," because it's not. The "more effort" you want is going to reduce his defensive ability because it's going to increase and further expose the flaws in his defensive game.

Your theory that trying harder and playing at something closer to full speed would somehow make Soriano worse in the field sounds bat[expletive] crazy. But apparently that's just me.

[Sammy Sofa]

It is just you. A guy with shaky OF ability who is trying to not get hurt is just going to be even shakier if everything is being unnecessarily sped up.

 

Look at it like this: let's say you have trouble not tripping over your own feet when just walking at a normal pace. Do you think you're likely going to be LESS clumsy if you're running instead of walking?

[Benchwarmer]

It is just you. A guy with shaky OF ability who is trying to not get hurt is just going to be even shakier if everything is being unnecessarily sped up.

 

Look at it like this: let's say you have trouble not tripping over your own feet when just walking at a normal pace. Do you think you're likely going to be LESS clumsy if you're running instead of walking?

 

Mickey Rivers, your table is waiting.

[Benchwarmer]

Getting back to the topic at hand, was Quade right to go off on Barney and Castro? Two points. I wish he had done it behind closed doors and not announce it in front of everyone. Second, they could be some of the few players on the team who are actually paying attention and could be salvageable. If he had called out one of his veterans(like he should have done), most of the team would have probably laughed at him.

[Sammy Sofa]

Who isn't "paying attention?" Why should he have called out anyone?

[Sammy Sofa]

It is just you. A guy with shaky OF ability who is trying to not get hurt is just going to be even shakier if everything is being unnecessarily sped up.

 

Look at it like this: let's say you have trouble not tripping over your own feet when just walking at a normal pace. Do you think you're likely going to be LESS clumsy if you're running instead of walking?

 

Mickey Rivers, your table is waiting.

 

Please explain how you possibly thought this made any sense. Are you really saying Soriano could play defense like Mickey Rivers if he just ran faster?

[Benchwarmer]

It is just you. A guy with shaky OF ability who is trying to not get hurt is just going to be even shakier if everything is being unnecessarily sped up.

 

Look at it like this: let's say you have trouble not tripping over your own feet when just walking at a normal pace. Do you think you're likely going to be LESS clumsy if you're running instead of walking?

 

Mickey Rivers, your table is waiting.

 

Please explain how you possibly thought this made any sense. Are you really saying Soriano could play defense like Mickey Rivers if he just ran faster?

 

Are you saying you never saw Mickey Rivers walk up to the plate, contrast that with the way he ran the bases and ran in the OF? Very telling.

[Benchwarmer]

Who isn't "paying attention?" Why should he have called out anyone?

 

When a veteran-loaded team is at 21 games under .500 in the middle of July, he could call out a player a day.

[SouthSideRyan]

Who isn't "paying attention?" Why should he have called out anyone?

 

When a veteran-loaded team is at 21 games under .500 in the middle of July, he could call out a player a day.

 

That'd get them back to 500 in no time.

[hardcorecubfan]

Soriano is not loafing. He's just giving himself time to calculate the percentages of a successful diving catch. So he need to improve his risk assessment.

 

It's the new "sixth tool" that baseball analysts are now talking about.

 

Isn't that the John Kruk theory of mathematical probability?

[Sammy Sofa]

It is just you. A guy with shaky OF ability who is trying to not get hurt is just going to be even shakier if everything is being unnecessarily sped up.

 

Look at it like this: let's say you have trouble not tripping over your own feet when just walking at a normal pace. Do you think you're likely going to be LESS clumsy if you're running instead of walking?

 

Mickey Rivers, your table is waiting.

 

Please explain how you possibly thought this made any sense. Are you really saying Soriano could play defense like Mickey Rivers if he just ran faster?

 

Are you saying you never saw Mickey Rivers walk up to the plate, contrast that with the way he ran the bases and ran in the OF? Very telling.

 

This still makes no sense. Mickey Rivers was a very,very good defensive OF (in terms of being an inverse Soriano; great speed out there and good routes and judgement, but had a wimpy arm). Soriano is not. Soriano running faster and leaping and diving trying to make catches in the OF isn't going to turn him into Mickey Rivers.

Edited July 22, 2011 by Sammy Sofa

[Sammy Sofa]

Who isn't "paying attention?" Why should he have called out anyone?

 

When a veteran-loaded team is at 21 games under .500 in the middle of July, he could call out a player a day.

 

That's a stupid way to run a baseball team. Calling players out like Quade did almost never accomplishes anything, veteran or otherwise. Just cut to the chase next time and say "I'm a meatball and I want meatball things."

[Soul]

Who isn't "paying attention?" Why should he have called out anyone?

 

When a veteran-loaded team is at 21 games under .500 in the middle of July, he could call out a player a day.

 

That's a stupid way to run a baseball team. Calling players out like Quade did almost never accomplishes anything, veteran or otherwise. Just cut to the chase next time and say "I'm a meatball and I want meatball things."

 

Whatever he did, it wouldn't turn this turd into a winner. So I don't see the point of doing it. But I suppose when you're entering old age and finally getting your shot, you resort to anything when it isn't working out.

[questionmarkgrace]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0728-cubs-brewers-chicago--20110728,0,3036298.story

 

 

If you scroll down to the bottom of this article it talks about Z and quade on the mound tonight. Apparently Z asked quade for one more hitter and he refused. But Dempster has asked for one more hitter and gotten it twice (IIRC) after his fight with Q. Was this just a showcase start that they didnt want to go bad? Or is Z getting the double standard here?

[dfnowak]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0728-cubs-brewers-chicago--20110728,0,3036298.story

 

 

If you scroll down to the bottom of this article it talks about Z and quade on the mound tonight. Apparently Z asked quade for one more hitter and he refused. But Dempster has asked for one more hitter and gotten it twice (IIRC) after his fight with Q. Was this just a showcase start that they didnt want to go bad? Or is Z getting the double standard here?

 

How about Quade's quote about how he hopes Z's performance "entices" some people? It really sounds like Quade and Hendry want to get rid of Z at any cost. I read on the Trib yesterday that the Cubs were willing to trade him for practically nothing AND eat most of the contract. Im not so sure I agree w/ that approach. I would be willing to do one or the other but not both eating most of the contact and not get anything in return. Z may not be the best teammate, but he's not M. Bradley and he's still a decent starting pitcher on a team that doesn't have any quality replacements ready in the minors.

[TruffleShuffle]

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=lf&stats=fld&lg=nl&qual=500&type=1&season=2011&month=0&season1=2008&ind=0

 

his defense is more than fine; stop being such a dumbass, davearm

 

Defensive metrics? You really think he's the second-best leftfielder in the national league? LOL. You seriously are pathetic.

 

Those metrics don't show he's the second-best leftfielder in the NL. But thanks for stopping by and embarrassing yourself again by thinking they do.

 

i glanced at it quickly, not really bothering with the minutiae (whether he's 2nd or 4th best) and focusing on the main point (that he's not a terrible fielder who is lazy and brown). and stop telling other people that they're embarrassing themselves when your entire existence on this board is one colossal embarrassment.