ESPN doing a great job of piling on

[bcl412]

It's not like he has to watch.

 

I'm sure he can't completely avoid ESPN... and the promos have been running every break for the last week.

 

I'm not sure what you're thinking he could have done.

 

On NFL tickets it says something like any time you show up on camera for NFL films or whatever, they have rights to your likeness. I'm guessing that MLB would have something similar and I imagine there wouldn't be anything he could do if they did.

[Sammy Sofa]

Wish more Cub players on the team would have partook in this other than just Eric Karros

 

Edit: As I say this Moises Alou joins in on the fun

 

Really wish they had talked to Gonzalez.

[NotSoSober]

Wish more Cub players on the team would have partook in this other than just Eric Karros

 

Edit: As I say this Moises Alou joins in on the fun

 

Really wish they had talked to Gonzalez.

 

Yea, I"m sure he said hell no when asked though

[USSoccer]

Wish more Cub players on the team would have partook in this other than just Eric Karros

 

Edit: As I say this Moises Alou joins in on the fun

 

Really wish they had [expletive]-punched him on camera over and over [to Gonzalez].

 

Fixed that for you.

[Soul]

Yeah, Billy Buck's still a Cub to me.

[Soul]

It would be a great thing for the Cubs to win it, and the next year have a huge Bartman return game, kind of like Buckner.

[mookie]

Well, that was heartbreaking.

[North Iowa Cub]

I told my wife I'm not sure why I put myself through that again. But really, eight years later, I am more disgusted by human behavior than the outcome of a sporting event. I don't care if Bartman ran on to the field and went Dikembe Mutombo on Kenny Lofton, screaming "I'm going to F'in kill you" at him is still wrong.

[ELCABALLO45]

The one part that really got to me was when Bartman was leaving the stadium and they showed the home video of it and the guy yelled "Put a gun in his mouth, and pull the trigger!"

[Soul]

The one part that really got to me was when Bartman was leaving the stadium and they showed the home video of it and the guy yelled "Put a gun in his mouth, and pull the trigger!"

 

The guy who came from 15 rows away just to hurl insults and wish death upon him was sickening.

 

He's sitting there, years after the fact, with that dumb smile on his face. Don't you realize what an evil [expletive] prick you are, you dumb ass?!?

[ELCABALLO45]

The one part that really got to me was when Bartman was leaving the stadium and they showed the home video of it and the guy yelled "Put a gun in his mouth, and pull the trigger!"

 

The guy who came from 15 rows away just to hurl insults and wish death upon him was sickening.

 

He's sitting there, years after the fact, with that dumb smile on his face. Don't you realize what an evil [expletive] prick you are, you dumb ass?!?

 

I can't believe I forgot about that. And yes his smile on his face talking about it makes you want to punch the d-bag in the face.

[Abe Frohman]

Gonzalez was on a panel doing play by play on the game for Dish Network's MLB Channel last year.

[UMFan83]

Gonzalez was on a panel doing play by play on the game for Dish Network's MLB Channel last year.

 

The guy that really blew the Cubs season gets to go on TV and casually discuss the game while Bartman has to hide forever.

[Hacking Out Machine]

This was a great documentary. The parts about the aftermath with the other fans and the Cubs perrsonnel was awesone. The replays showing when Bartman looked back and asked the other fans if he did anything wrong and their recollection of it was really interesting.

 

Someone was mentioning earlier in the thread that "many fans will avoid interfering with the home team", as if Bartman should have done the same.

 

How astute of a fan would you have to be to look at your seat, look down at the field, think to yourself "Ok...I'm well above the field, but I'm only about 9.5 feet above the field of play, and if the ball comes right to my seat, the left fielder might have a play." Then, when the ball is coming straight toward him, in a packed house with nowhere to go, he realizes that there might be a play on it, and hits the deck?

 

There was no conscious decision made by Bartman or anyone else to try to catch the ball at the expense of Alou trying to catch it. It never would have occurred to 99.9% of fans in that seat. If it happened at field level down the 1st or 3rd base line, maybe, but not in those seats. He didn't even reach into the field of play.

 

Every meathead jackass that yelled "a-hole" or threw beer on him or took a swipe at him as he left the stadium would have done the exact same thing, and there would have been nothing selfish or malicious about it, just a reaction.

 

Also, if Alou just had a mild reaction to the play and returned to his position, it would have been an afterthought. People might have talked about it the next day, but there certainly would not have been the ugly scene at the ballpark that night. Not that I'm blaming Alou, just pointing out that his reaction was what incited the whole thing. Many fans at the park mentioned that they didn't even notice there was interference until Alou reacted.

Edited September 28, 2011 by Hacking Out Machine

[Guest]

ONE how on earth does anyone blame alou for this?

 

TWO the kgonz error wasn't going to be a double play. i don't know why people think it was. i watched the game on espn classic today. it's obviously just going to be one out, and all the annoucers said the same at the time. i don't know how things changed to "could've been put of the inning."

 

That [expletive] was "force out at 2nd" all the way. No way they turn two. Cabrera wasn't that fat yet

 

Yeah. It would have been one hell of a turn for them to get that. People act like it was a hard hit ball that Gonzalez would have fielded close to second for an easy flip when it was anything but. If they get the one out and everything else plays out the same (which wouldn't necessarily have been the case, I know), the inning likely ends either 3-2 or 3-3, depending on if you think Cabrera scores on the Lee double. Lowell still gets the IBB which brings up Conine.

[USSoccer]

ONE how on earth does anyone blame alou for this?

 

TWO the kgonz error wasn't going to be a double play. i don't know why people think it was. i watched the game on espn classic today. it's obviously just going to be one out, and all the annoucers said the same at the time. i don't know how things changed to "could've been put of the inning."

 

That [expletive] was "force out at 2nd" all the way. No way they turn two. Cabrera wasn't that fat yet

 

Yeah. It would have been one hell of a turn for them to get that. People act like it was a hard hit ball that Gonzalez would have fielded close to second for an easy flip when it was anything but. If they get the one out and everything else plays out the same (which wouldn't necessarily have been the case, I know), the inning likely ends either 3-2 or 3-3, depending on if you think Cabrera scores on the Lee double. Lowell still gets the IBB which brings up Conine.

 

Grudz and his noodle-assed arm weren't throwing out modern-day fat, drunken awesome Miggy, let alone rookie, fit, athletic Miggy.

 

Baker probably still would have let Prior pitch himself out of a win anyway.

[J.R.]

This thread is enough for me. Not watching this, ever.

[abuck1220]

this was hard to watch. and not because i'm some type of [expletive] that wants to kill myself over a game involving my favorite baseball team that happened 8 years ago. it is just terrifying that this dude left his house to watch a baseball game and five hours later his life (and his family's) was completely and totally ruined. OVER A FOUL BALL AT A BASEBALL GAME.

 

i don't know whether i think this was a well-made film or anything...the buckner stuff was interesting, but i don't know if it fit with the rest of it.

[abuck1220]

and seriously, you guys really are that upset over a baseball game from 8 years ago that you can't even bear to watch this?

[treebird]

i don't know whether i think this was a well-made film or anything...the buckner stuff was interesting, but i don't know if it fit with the rest of it.

 

i'll go so far as to say i don't think it was well-made or anything, which was pretty disappointing. i had heard a lot of good stuff about this being something of a legit movie, but i don't think this was even a good 30-for-30.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Gonzalez was on a panel doing play by play on the game for Dish Network's MLB Channel last year.

 

The guy that really blew the Cubs season gets to go on TV and casually discuss the game while Bartman has to hide forever.

 

No, he's managing the Reds.

[abuck1220]

i don't know whether i think this was a well-made film or anything...the buckner stuff was interesting, but i don't know if it fit with the rest of it.

 

i'll go so far as to say i don't think it was well-made or anything, which was pretty disappointing. i had heard a lot of good stuff about this being something of a legit movie, but i don't think this was even a good 30-for-30.

 

yeah, i agree. they really padded it with needless stuff to make it last ~2 hours. like i said, the buckner stuff is interesting, but it's probably better served in its own feature. actually both the bartman thing and the buckner thing would be better in a 1 hour format.

 

by far the most interesting stuff was hearing the security lady's account of how he acted/what he said in the aftermath. and the footage of him turning around and asking the other fans if he did something wrong was gut wrenching. and i guess it's a credit to the filmmaker that i felt waaaaay more sorry for bartman than i did angry about the game/series.

[Chisoxillini]

Steve Bartman was my assistant coach on the Niles Renegades back when I was 13 in 2003. Didn't see game 6 so I was absolutely stunned when I saw him at the end of a segment on Sportscenter later that night. I remember going to his house the next day with the rest of my teammates to offer support for him. Haven't seen him since, and I always wanted to know how he was doing and where he was living. Even teared up during the documentary a couple of times just because of the way Gibney portrayed his situation.

 

Have to say I'm surprised to see he's still in Chicago. Hope he's doing alright.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

This is awesome. I DVR'd and am watching it now. The old-timey video with the joke "You're not going to win, but you don't know it yet" about Spring Training still has me chuckling. I've never heard that one. Edited September 28, 2011 by KingKongvs.Godzilla

[OleMissCub]

The one part that really got to me was when Bartman was leaving the stadium and they showed the home video of it and the guy yelled "Put a gun in his mouth, and pull the trigger!"

 

The guy who came from 15 rows away just to hurl insults and wish death upon him was sickening.

 

He's sitting there, years after the fact, with that dumb smile on his face. Don't you realize what an evil [expletive] prick you are, you dumb ass?!?

 

I can't believe I forgot about that. And yes his smile on his face talking about it makes you want to punch the d-bag in the face.

 

Was just coming here to post about that guy. I hate that man.

 

Poor Steve. Hope the Cubs win it just so he can come out of hiding.