ESPN doing a great job of piling on

[Old Style]

I felt it was poorly done and full of factual errors. I felt I was watching the Zapruder film with all this isolation photography.

 

One such error is the assertion there is a 7 second delay between the action and the WGN Radio broadcast. There's not. Besides, Steve Bartman reacted real time, not any sort of delayed broadcast. What was that all about?

 

Spoiler alert: Far too much David Kaplan and his balding head.

 

I don't know about now but back then national broadcasts had a delay. I used to watch a lot of sports with the radio on but not the national broadcasts and it was because of this.

 

That game absolutely, 100% had a radio delay. We gave up on Steve Lyons after about 3 outs and let Ronnie give us 5 second spoilers for the remainder of the game.

If the radio had a delay, how was Ronnie giving you spoilers? That would mean that the radio was ahead of what was on TV.

[Benchwarmer]

I felt it was poorly done and full of factual errors. I felt I was watching the Zapruder film with all this isolation photography.

 

One such error is the assertion there is a 7 second delay between the action and the WGN Radio broadcast. There's not. Besides, Steve Bartman reacted real time, not any sort of delayed broadcast. What was that all about?

 

Spoiler alert: Far too much David Kaplan and his balding head.

 

I don't know about now but back then national broadcasts had a delay. I used to watch a lot of sports with the radio on but not the national broadcasts and it was because of this.

 

That game absolutely, 100% had a radio delay. We gave up on Steve Lyons after about 3 outs and let Ronnie give us 5 second spoilers for the remainder of the game.

If the radio had a delay, how was Ronnie giving you spoilers? That would mean that the radio was ahead of what was on TV.

 

Again..there's no 7 second delay on a live Cubs broadcast. And wasn't one in 2003.

[UMFan83]

An actual picture of Steve Bartman from another (happier) day in his life:

 

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/09/xlarge_bartmancircle.jpg

 

Deadspin makes a great point. It's amazing that in this internet age we live in that there has been absolutely no photos caught of Bartman since the game, and no stories of run ins with Bartman. Maybe people don't recognize him without the hat and headphones, I don't know. But given that he is said to have a desk job at an office in the suburbs that he drives to and from everyday, its amazing that no one that he works with has said anything about him at any point. I can understand most co-workers respecting his wishes, but someone on the other side of the office that doesn't know Steve or his department, what's to stop them from sharing a Bartman sighting story?

[Benchwarmer]

benchwarmer = steve bartman?

 

brb calling espn

 

No thanks, Rocket. But I do know that Hewitt did a good job of protecting him from the media and fans at work. They floated the story of him being transferred to the U.K., re-routed calls to his direct line, etc...

 

There but for the grace...

[UMFan83]

Also, I completely respect Steve for how he handled the situation once he left Wrigley, but at the same time I wonder about whether the "Steve Bartman play" would have the same mistique if somewhere around the way Bartman caved and went on TV to talk about it. If he had an interview where he told the world everything about him and who he is and how the play happened, I am not sure ESPN has the same obsession with writing about him. I'm sure there would still be an emphasis on the "Bartman play" and how it effeted the Cubs chances of winning but it wouldn't be nearly as big of a deal as it is now.

[Garwilly]

An actual picture of Steve Bartman from another (happier) day in his life:

 

snip

 

Deadspin makes a great point. It's amazing that in this internet age we live in that there has been absolutely no photos caught of Bartman since the game, and no stories of run ins with Bartman. Maybe people don't recognize him without the hat and headphones, I don't know. But given that he is said to have a desk job at an office in the suburbs that he drives to and from everyday, its amazing that no one that he works with has said anything about him at any point. I can understand most co-workers respecting his wishes, but someone on the other side of the office that doesn't know Steve or his department, what's to stop them from sharing a Bartman sighting story?

 

I may have mentioned it here before, but I used to play on a suburban softball team with him. From about 2005-2007 he was our pitcher. Just as everyone who speaks about him says, he is a quiet, unassuming guy. Very nice, likable, and without question a huge Cub fan. Throughout my time knowing him, we spoke of the Cubs frequently, and he was always informed and current with his knowledge of the team. Not once did I broach the topic of game 6, and I'm glad I didn't. In our time in the league, I think just one opponent realized who he was, but I don't believe they ever said anything about it to him.

[bcl412]

I felt it was poorly done and full of factual errors. I felt I was watching the Zapruder film with all this isolation photography.

 

One such error is the assertion there is a 7 second delay between the action and the WGN Radio broadcast. There's not. Besides, Steve Bartman reacted real time, not any sort of delayed broadcast. What was that all about?

 

Spoiler alert: Far too much David Kaplan and his balding head.

 

I don't know about now but back then national broadcasts had a delay. I used to watch a lot of sports with the radio on but not the national broadcasts and it was because of this.

 

That game absolutely, 100% had a radio delay. We gave up on Steve Lyons after about 3 outs and let Ronnie give us 5 second spoilers for the remainder of the game.

If the radio had a delay, how was Ronnie giving you spoilers? That would mean that the radio was ahead of what was on TV.

 

Again..there's no 7 second delay on a live Cubs broadcast. And wasn't one in 2003.

 

How are you so sure? I have absolutely heard delays on Fox and ESPN broadcasts and I know this with 100% certainty as I have heard with my own ears. The only thing is, and Old Style brought up this point, it may be that the radio broadcast is quicker than the TV broadcast thus you hear it before you see it.

 

And actually, when you are live at the park there may be a 1-2 second delay between the action and what is heard on the radio because I have brought a radio before just to see if there was.

[javy knows my name]

An actual picture of Steve Bartman from another (happier) day in his life:

 

snip

 

Deadspin makes a great point. It's amazing that in this internet age we live in that there has been absolutely no photos caught of Bartman since the game, and no stories of run ins with Bartman. Maybe people don't recognize him without the hat and headphones, I don't know. But given that he is said to have a desk job at an office in the suburbs that he drives to and from everyday, its amazing that no one that he works with has said anything about him at any point. I can understand most co-workers respecting his wishes, but someone on the other side of the office that doesn't know Steve or his department, what's to stop them from sharing a Bartman sighting story?

 

I may have mentioned it here before, but I used to play on a suburban softball team with him. From about 2005-2007 he was our pitcher. Just as everyone who speaks about him says, he is a quiet, unassuming guy. Very nice, likable, and without question a huge Cub fan. Throughout my time knowing him, we spoke of the Cubs frequently, and he was always informed and current with his knowledge of the team. Not once did I broach the topic of game 6, and I'm glad I didn't. In our time in the league, I think just one opponent realized who he was, but I don't believe they ever said anything about it to him.

 

This is simply unbelievable to me. I thought he was in the witness protection program or some [expletive].

[SouthSideRyan]

I find it comforting.

[rocket]

I knew ESPN would find a way to get a focus on the Red Sox. Almost half of the documentary went in their direction with Buckner. [expletive] ESPN.

 

so the 1st 10 minutes and 5 minutes toward the end is almost half?

[Mark Priors Calves]

A friend of mine works at the same company that Steve Bartman does. He sees him around the building occasionally. He doesn't know him personally, but everybody at that he's talked to at his work place says that he's a great guy.

[javy knows my name]

I find it comforting.

 

Oh, absolutely. This really proves just how much the media blew this out of proportion.

 

On another note, I think I got a little more out of the documentary than someone who lived in Chicago at the time of the series. I wasn't privy to the minutiae of Bartman's life immediately following (no local Chicago news), so I learned A LOT about Bartman from this thing.

 

Hell, I had no idea he had friends with him who ditched him once he got out onto the concourse.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Again..there's no 7 second delay on a live Cubs broadcast. And wasn't one in 2003.

[citation needed]

[Old Style]

I felt it was poorly done and full of factual errors. I felt I was watching the Zapruder film with all this isolation photography.

 

One such error is the assertion there is a 7 second delay between the action and the WGN Radio broadcast. There's not. Besides, Steve Bartman reacted real time, not any sort of delayed broadcast. What was that all about?

 

Spoiler alert: Far too much David Kaplan and his balding head.

 

I don't know about now but back then national broadcasts had a delay. I used to watch a lot of sports with the radio on but not the national broadcasts and it was because of this.

 

That game absolutely, 100% had a radio delay. We gave up on Steve Lyons after about 3 outs and let Ronnie give us 5 second spoilers for the remainder of the game.

If the radio had a delay, how was Ronnie giving you spoilers? That would mean that the radio was ahead of what was on TV.

 

Again..there's no 7 second delay on a live Cubs broadcast. And wasn't one in 2003.

I'm not arguing whether or not there was a delay during that game. What I don't understand is IF the radio was delayed, how could Ronnie give any spoilers? I guess TV could have been on a 12 second delay, but his point still doesn't make sense.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

I knew ESPN would find a way to get a focus on the Red Sox. Almost half of the documentary went in their direction with Buckner. [expletive] ESPN.

 

so the 1st 10 minutes and 5 minutes toward the end is almost half?

 

I tuned out for most of the 2nd hour. After a while I got the point...Bartman caught hell.

[javy knows my name]

Jesus, I thought this would die.

 

I misspoke. They RUN the radio on a 7 second delay from the live action so that it syncs with the tv, which is, naturally, behind the radio. When I was watching, the radio was still ahead of the Fox broadcast, which has already been mentioned.

 

Of course the radio wouldn't run slower than the TV. That makes no [expletive] sense and I think that's what [expletive] is arguing with no one about.

[jersey cubs fan]

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2011/09/espn-30-for-30-presents-catching-up-the-bills-oilers-comeback.html#more-39895

 

 

ESPN won't stop with these 30-for-30 programs that throw salt on old wounds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

naughty language in that link.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

An actual picture of Steve Bartman from another (happier) day in his life:

 

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/09/xlarge_bartmancircle.jpg

 

Deadspin makes a great point. It's amazing that in this internet age we live in that there has been absolutely no photos caught of Bartman since the game, and no stories of run ins with Bartman. Maybe people don't recognize him without the hat and headphones, I don't know. But given that he is said to have a desk job at an office in the suburbs that he drives to and from everyday, its amazing that no one that he works with has said anything about him at any point. I can understand most co-workers respecting his wishes, but someone on the other side of the office that doesn't know Steve or his department, what's to stop them from sharing a Bartman sighting story?

 

A lack of care plus basic human kindness.

 

What're they gonna say anyway? "I work with Steve Bartman. We file papers together and stuff. He's really nice. He was once part of a group of people who failed to pull in a foul ball in an important baseball game, if you aren't aware."

[UMFan83]

An actual picture of Steve Bartman from another (happier) day in his life:

 

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/09/xlarge_bartmancircle.jpg

 

Deadspin makes a great point. It's amazing that in this internet age we live in that there has been absolutely no photos caught of Bartman since the game, and no stories of run ins with Bartman. Maybe people don't recognize him without the hat and headphones, I don't know. But given that he is said to have a desk job at an office in the suburbs that he drives to and from everyday, its amazing that no one that he works with has said anything about him at any point. I can understand most co-workers respecting his wishes, but someone on the other side of the office that doesn't know Steve or his department, what's to stop them from sharing a Bartman sighting story?

 

A lack of care plus basic human kindness.

 

What're they gonna say anyway? "I work with Steve Bartman. We file papers together and stuff. He's really nice. He was once part of a group of people who failed to pull in a foul ball in an important baseball game, if you aren't aware."

 

Well yeah. Steve Bartman is almost a mythical figure now seeing as there is almost no information on Steve Bartman anywhere on the internet, despite everyone wanting to hear the guys story, or hear what he's been doing since that day, etc. You'd think someone would have an encounter, however minor, with Bartman and snap a cell phone picture or write about the encounter and it would pop up online. A site like Deadspin thrives on exposing stuff like this and even they could only get a 15 year old picture of his face.

 

Although, I do have to reconsider whether I'm overreacting to how much people want to hear from this guy when I post about this on here and read 2 different poster's first or second hand stories about him in an hour.

[UMFan83]

I knew ESPN would find a way to get a focus on the Red Sox. Almost half of the documentary went in their direction with Buckner. [expletive] ESPN.

 

so the 1st 10 minutes and 5 minutes toward the end is almost half?

 

The director grew up a Red Sox fan, and the scapegoating ties between Buckner and Bartman is what interested him in the project.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Well yeah. Steve Bartman is almost a mythical figure now seeing as there is almost no information on Steve Bartman anywhere on the internet, despite everyone wanting to hear the guys story, or hear what he's been doing since that day, etc. You'd think someone would have an encounter, however minor, with Bartman and snap a cell phone picture or write about the encounter and it would pop up online. A site like Deadspin thrives on exposing stuff like this and even they could only get a 15 year old picture of his face.

 

Although, I do have to reconsider whether I'm overreacting to how much people want to hear from this guy when I post about this on here and read 2 different poster's first or second hand stories about him in an hour.

 

Want to go conspiracy?

 

Steve Bartman = alien.

 

But yeah, I really can't say I'm all that interested in the guy or any aspect of his life. I *was* OTOH glad to hear that he's a pretty hardcore baseball fan who even coached. The guys he coached even defended him! [expletive] yeah for humanity!

[Guest]

I think most people respect privacy a lot more than the TV and media would make it seem. Most of the time people looking to keep a low profile can, unless they've been acused of a heinous crime.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think most people respect privacy a lot more than the TV and media would make it seem. Most of the time people looking to keep a low profile can, unless they've been acused of a heinous crime.

 

Most people, yes. But it only takes one person who doesn't care, and there plenty of people like that. My guess is he has a boss who is very sympathetic and protective of him. It doesn't have to be a heinous crime to draw interest. A picture of him in a strip club would probably make most bloggers' day.

[CubmanPi]

Some writer for ESPN did a story a while back about trying to find Steve Bartman and confirm/deny all the crazy rumors and such. It was a long story about going to his neighborhood, following him to work, and approaching him in the parking lot trying his best not to come off as a complete creep/stalker while at the same time asking for an interview. (I'm too lazy to look it up, but I'm sure it's not hard to find.) The interaction was short, and it ended with Bartman politely telling him to feel free to speak with his Legal Team about it.

 

In addition to the whole human decency/Bartman's a good guy factor, I'm sure having a legal team specifically to help protect him from Game 6 fallout has a lot to do with why no one he works with has ever tried to cash in on their association with him.

[bcl412]

Some writer for ESPN did a story a while back about trying to find Steve Bartman and confirm/deny all the crazy rumors and such. It was a long story about going to his neighborhood, following him to work, and approaching him in the parking lot trying his best not to come off as a complete creep/stalker while at the same time asking for an interview. (I'm too lazy to look it up, but I'm sure it's not hard to find.) The interaction was short, and it ended with Bartman politely telling him to feel free to speak with his Legal Team about it.

 

In addition to the whole human decency/Bartman's a good guy factor, I'm sure having a legal team specifically to help protect him from Game 6 fallout has a lot to do with why no one he works with has ever tried to cash in on their association with him.

 

They talked about it in the documentary and the guy who did this was one of the interview subjects in the show as well.