College Football - Week 13 (Nov. 27th)

[Formerly Snayke]

The top 5 teams in the SEC West have a combined record of 34-1 when not playing against each other. The one loss was Alabama's loss to South Carolina.

The past few have been the most impressive, too. Let's see, there was Troy and Georgia Southern. Which other powerhouses were on the list?

 

Dunno, but you can guarantee it had a direction or describes a geographic area.

[fiver]

The top 5 teams in the SEC West have a combined record of 34-1 when not playing against each other. The one loss was Alabama's loss to South Carolina.

The past few have been the most impressive, too. Let's see, there was Troy and Georgia Southern. Which other powerhouses were on the list?

 

Victories included in that statistic against teams in the top 50 of the Sagarin Predictor (15 of the 34 games mentioned) include Clemson, Penn State, North Carolina, West Virginia, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas A&M. The SEC East was down some this year, and the west teams' non-conference schedules weren't what I'd consider strong. Even so, the SEC West has been pretty good this year.

[Andy]

Ball State fires Stan Parrish.

Wonder if the buyout will cost more than the assistants' raises they refused to give Hoke's staff, leading to his bolting to San Diego State, where he's led the Aztecs, an FBS wasteland for the better part of 20 years, within a couple near-misses from the Mountain West title.

 

Sigh. Go get a good FCS coach I guess. Or someone's awesome assistant provided they have Midwest connections.

[SouthSideRyan]

They should hire Ron Zook.

[NCCubFan]

Or someone's awesome assistant provided they have Midwest connections.

That's the route they went when they hired Paul Schudel to replace Dwight Wallace. He was an assistant at Michigan at the time. He was definitely a good hire.

[Guest]

The top 5 teams in the SEC West have a combined record of 34-1 when not playing against each other. The one loss was Alabama's loss to South Carolina.

The past few have been the most impressive, too. Let's see, there was Troy and Georgia Southern. Which other powerhouses were on the list?

 

Victories included in that statistic against teams in the top 50 of the Sagarin Predictor (15 of the 34 games mentioned) include Clemson, Penn State, North Carolina, West Virginia, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas A&M. The SEC East was down some this year, and the west teams' non-conference schedules weren't what I'd consider strong. Even so, the SEC West has been pretty good this year.

I don't see a single signature victory out of conference for a single team in the entire SEC west. So I guess we can say that there are no sucky teams in the SEC west, but it's hard to say if any of them are really all that good since they haven't played anyone that good out of conference.

[dew1679666265]

I don't see a single signature victory out of conference for a single team in the entire SEC west. So I guess we can say that there are no sucky teams in the SEC west, but it's hard to say if any of them are really all that good since they haven't played anyone that good out of conference.

 

If you consider Sagarin highly, he has Texas A&M as a top 15 team. South Carolina is also #16 according to Sagarin. Those may not be signature wins, but they're definitely significant wins. For what it's worth, Florida is also a top 25 team according to Sagarin.

 

I'm not arguing the SEC West is dominant or anything, I've already said the conference as a whole is down this year. However, they do have wins of note this year.

[NewUserName]

I know its not a great comparison, but what is the record of the top 6 teams in the Big Ten against everyone else, or what is the record of the top 6 teams in the Pac Ten verse everyone else?

[Old Style]

I don't see a single signature victory out of conference for a single team in the entire SEC west. So I guess we can say that there are no sucky teams in the SEC west, but it's hard to say if any of them are really all that good since they haven't played anyone that good out of conference.

 

If you consider Sagarin highly, he has Texas A&M as a top 15 team. South Carolina is also #16 according to Sagarin. Those may not be signature wins, but they're definitely significant wins. For what it's worth, Florida is also a top 25 team according to Sagarin.

 

I'm not arguing the SEC West is dominant or anything, I've already said the conference as a whole is down this year. However, they do have wins of note this year.

The Texas A&M team that Arkansas beat is not the same team we are now. We have been light years better since the QB change, along with a small change on the OLine. I would love another shot at the hogs now. I hope we get to play a good SEC team in the Cotton Bowl. I'm not guaranteeing any victories or anything like that. I'd just like to see how we stack up against an LSU or 'Bama at this point in the season.

[Banedon]

"Well, I don't know enough about the Xs and Os of college football," said Gee, formerly the president at West Virginia, Colorado, Brown and Vanderbilt universities. "I do know, having been both a Southeastern Conference president and a Big Ten president, that it's like murderer's row every week for these schools. We do not play the Little Sisters of the Poor. We play very fine schools on any given day.

 

"So I think until a university runs through that gantlet that there's some reason to believe that they not be the best teams to [be] in the big ballgame."

 

Eastern Michigan and Marshall were really challenging games, I'm sure.

[jersey cubs fan]

Boise State plays that level of competition all season long.

[Banedon]

Boise State plays that level of competition all season long.

 

That's hyperbole, and so was Gee's comment.

 

Ohio State and Boise State played the same number of top 25 teams this year. (Well, they will have after Friday.)

[CubColtPacer]

Boise State plays that level of competition all season long.

 

Taking Sagarins overall ratings (and looking at the entirety of their schedules)

 

Boise State will have played 3 Top 25 teams. OSU will play 2.

Boise State will have played 1 team between 25-50. OSU will have played 4.

Boise and OSU will each play 1 team between 51-75.

Boise will play 3 teams between 76-100. OSU will have played 1.

Boise State will play 2 teams between 101-125. OSU will have played 3.

Boise State will play 2 teams between 150-175. OSU will play 1.

 

Obviously OSU has one of the weaker major conference schedules this year and it's still better than Boise's but the difference between their schedules is not that big. There certainly should be no argument for a 1 loss OSU even if everybody else in front of them fell away. Wisconsin and Michigan State also have similarly poor schedules.

[Banedon]

With all due respect to Ohio State prez Gordon Gee: his Buckeyes would be beaten by both Boise and TCU this year. Perhaps handily.

[dew1679666265]

With all due respect to Ohio State prez Gordon Gee: his Buckeyes would be beaten by both Boise and TCU this year. Perhaps handily.

 

That's probably accurate – maybe not the handily part, but I think both would beat OSU this year.

[dew1679666265]

Boise president Bob Kustra on Gordon Gee:

 

The BCS has finally found someone to stand up and defend the indefensible and Gordon Gee proved it — he not just proved that it’s indefensible but he did so with facts that are simply wrong. … Everyone in intercollegiate football knows that athletic directors of those large power conferences are scheduling more and more teams who are I-AA, who are teams at the weaker end of the non-AQ conferences, and for Gee to stand up and talk about murderer’s row every week is just the height of folly.

[UMFan83]

I wish there was some way Boise State could actually be allowed to play the schedule that BCS teams do. Then at least they'd have a shot to make it. It's not their fault that they joined the game late and didn't spend the last 50 years in a power conference. They can't schedule enough BCS teams because no one wants to play them. They can't play better conference opponents because no one is begging them to join their conference.

 

Either make a playoff where everyone has a shot to compete for the championships, or let the BCS schools seperate and form their own football division while the Boise States and TCUs of the world will at least get a shot to win some sort of championship.

[Warpticon]

I like how Gee wants to say that TCU and Boise don't deserve a title shot because of their conferences and then is so overwhelming against a playoff, citing academic reasons (yeah, right). What a coward.

 

It's also highly disingenuous for people like Gee to espouse, as they have done repeatedly, that the're just looking out for the student athletes so they don't have to miss too much class. So what, it's good enough for FBS, but not FCS? Those student-athletes aren't important? Your basketball players aren't important? You just have to protect those poor delicate football players from actually playing for a championship if it takes longer than one week? You really think anybody buys that pile of uncooked chitlins?

[Derwood]

The existence of college basketball negates any argument about what's good or bad for students. Beyond the (up to) 3 weeks of playoffs, there is way more mid-week travel, etc.

[bleedingblue]

I hope they put Boise state or tcu versus Ohio state in a bcs bowl game so old man Gee can at the least sweat that game out. At the worst, eat his words if they get beat.

[Derwood]

I hope they put Boise state or tcu versus Ohio state in a bcs bowl game so old man Gee can at the least sweat that game out. At the worst, eat his words if they get beat.

I'm sure he'll make sure that doesn't happen

[Warpticon]

The existence of college basketball negates any argument about what's good or bad for students. Beyond the (up to) 3 weeks of playoffs, there is way more mid-week travel, etc.

 

It's funny how playoffs are good enough for every college sport, including the overwhelming majority of college football teams,, virtually all high school sports, virtually all junior college sports, and pretty much all professional sports...only FBS football, which "coincidentally" is the biggest money maker in college athletics, cares enough about its students' welfare to keep them out of all those darn playoff games. How nice of them.

[TruffleShuffle]

gordon gee should worry less about college football and more about whatever school he happens to be president of this week.

[Derwood]

I wonder which team Meph has jumped to after Texas finishes 5-7

[hawkeyecub]

I wonder which team Meph has jumped to after Texas finishes 5-7

 

Oregon. Maybe Auburn.