Re: 2010-2011 NBA Thread

[SpongeWorthy]

Yeah, as bad as Cleveland looks to the rest of the NBA (outside NY), they'd absolutely destroy Ohio State or pick-your-best-college-team.

 

This I don't necessarily agree with. I honestly think there have been quite a few college teams over the years that could beat this Cleveland team especially when they were without Sideshow Bob and Mo Williams. The college 3 point line neuters the one on one game a lot because everyone is so packed in. You put a team like the Fab 5 or a guy like a 21-22 year old Lebron or Durant on a decent college team against a bad NBA team using NBA rules and I think they could take them.

Any player in an NBA rotation would star on the best college teams in the country. It would be no contest. Cleveland would win by 30+.

 

A star? Marvin Williams was just a guy on UNC and got drafted #2 overall.

 

You put Rose, King, Jackson, Howard, and Webber up against the 91 TWolves and you've got a game on your hands. When Jabbar was a freshman at UCLA he beat the defending national champion varsity team basically by himself. I don't think it's a stretch to say you put a talent like that on a good college team they could beat a bad NBA team.

 

There have certainly been college teams over the years with more star power than certain drecks of the NBA.

Marvin Williams isn't an NBA rotation player.

 

Only the best of the best college players are even above average in their first year in the NBA after college, after an offseason of pure conditioning and training. I don't think you realize the gap between the college and pro games, especially now.

 

Sure, that's a big part of it. But the biggest part of it is that the college game neuters great one on one talents (especially dribble penetrators).

[bukie]

Um, Marvin Williams has averaged 31.2 minutes a game in his 5.5 NBA seasons. Not a rotation player?

You're right, it only took him 5 years to develop into a below average wing player.

 

I'm just saying, what was the best college team of the past 10 years, UNC 2005? A team of Felton, McCants, May, Marvin Williams and Jawad Williams doesn't compete with the 13-69 Atlanta Hawks in 2005. It's a completely different level of play, and no college team comes close.

[SpongeWorthy]

And certainly there have been international teams with less individual talent than certain college teams that have taken it to Team USA's full of all stars. Carlos Arroyo looked all world in international play and can't even stick on a team in the NBA. The rules and floor dimensions make an enormous difference.

[SpongeWorthy]

Um, Marvin Williams has averaged 31.2 minutes a game in his 5.5 NBA seasons. Not a rotation player?

You're right, it only took him 5 years to develop into a below average wing player.

 

I'm just saying, what was the best college team of the past 10 years, UNC 2005? A team of Felton, McCants, May, Marvin Williams and Jawad Williams doesn't compete with the 13-69 Atlanta Hawks in 2005. It's a completely different level of play, and no college team comes close.

 

Naw, I don't think you necessarily look at who the national champions of college were for the team you would want to throw up against an NBA team (using NBA rules). Like I'd take Ewing's Hoyas over the Villanova team they lost to. That's why I pointed to the Fab Five and the 84 UNC team. An all world talent combined with other pro caliber (albeit raw) talent.

 

Off the top of my head I'd probably go with 06-07 Florida or one of those JWill, Boozer, Battier, Dunleavy Duke teams for a team in the last 10 years or so I'd throw up against a bad NBA team if I had to.

[hawkeyecub]

5 random nsbb'ers couldn't beat a mid level woman's college basketball team

 

I'll [expletive] those ho's up

[Guest]

Yeah, as bad as Cleveland looks to the rest of the NBA (outside NY), they'd absolutely destroy Ohio State or pick-your-best-college-team.

 

This I don't necessarily agree with. I honestly think there have been quite a few college teams over the years that could beat this Cleveland team especially when they were without Sideshow Bob and Mo Williams. The college 3 point line neuters the one on one game a lot because everyone is so packed in. You put a team like the Fab 5 or a guy like a 21-22 year old Lebron or Durant on a decent college team against a bad NBA team using NBA rules and I think they could take them.

 

21-22 year old LeBron and Durant were already stars in the NBA averaging 30 ppg. LeBron went 31.4-7-6.6 at 21 while Durant went 30.1-7.6, so that's not exactly a fair comparison.

 

Joey Graham went 18-6 as a senior at OKSt

Leon Powe went 20-10 his second year at Cal

Luke Harangody went 21-10 for three years at Notre Dame

Daniel Gibson (14 ppg, 32 mpg at 18 and 19 at Texas) is known better for his nickname than anything he's done in the league

Jawad Williams (13 ppg in four years at UNC) had to go to Europe for a couple years before playing in the NBA

Manny Harris went 17 and 6 in three years at Michigan.

Samardo Samuels went 13.5 and 6 at Louisville.

Alonzo Gee averaged 14 and 6 at Alabama.

 

Those guys were all at least good college players yet they've done virtually nothing in the NBA. And that's just on Cleveland, which is the worst team in the league.

 

The only one of those guys in the top-7 in scoring this year for Cleveland is Gibson and the highest rebounder is Harris, who is eighth. If you go per game, it's Gibson at sixth in points and Samuels at fourth in rebounds.

 

I think the worst NBA team of all time definitely could lose to the best college team, though it would probably be close (whether we're doing one game or a series) but in general, the good college teams are going to get waxed.

[illiniguy]

Yeah, as bad as Cleveland looks to the rest of the NBA (outside NY), they'd absolutely destroy Ohio State or pick-your-best-college-team.

 

This I don't necessarily agree with. I honestly think there have been quite a few college teams over the years that could beat this Cleveland team especially when they were without Sideshow Bob and Mo Williams. The college 3 point line neuters the one on one game a lot because everyone is so packed in. You put a team like the Fab 5 or a guy like a 21-22 year old Lebron or Durant on a decent college team against a bad NBA team using NBA rules and I think they could take them.

 

21-22 year old LeBron and Durant were already stars in the NBA averaging 30 ppg. LeBron went 31.4-7-6.6 at 21 while Durant went 30.1-7.6, so that's not exactly a fair comparison.

 

Joey Graham went 18-6 as a senior at OKSt

Leon Powe went 20-10 his second year at Cal

Luke Harangody went 21-10 for three years at Notre Dame

Daniel Gibson (14 ppg, 32 mpg at 18 and 19 at Texas) is known better for his nickname than anything he's done in the league

Jawad Williams (13 ppg in four years at UNC) had to go to Europe for a couple years before playing in the NBA

Manny Harris went 17 and 6 in three years at Michigan.

Samardo Samuels went 13.5 and 6 at Louisville.

Alonzo Gee averaged 14 and 6 at Alabama.

 

Those guys were all at least good college players yet they've done virtually nothing in the NBA. And that's just on Cleveland, which is the worst team in the league.

 

The only one of those guys in the top-7 in scoring this year for Cleveland is Gibson and the highest rebounder is Harris, who is eighth. If you go per game, it's Gibson at sixth in points and Samuels at fourth in rebounds.

 

I think the worst NBA team of all time definitely could lose to the best college team, though it would probably be close (whether we're doing one game or a series) but in general, the good college teams are going to get waxed.

Plus those guys are all a lot better now that than what they were in college simply from playing against better competition for years. And its the depth that would get the college kids. Sure LeBron would be able to compete when he was college age. But the white, senior point guard who is doing LeBron's taxes in two years wouldn't. I would guess in a real game that the pro team wins 99.9 times out of 100. Case and point, Dee Brown was an amazing college player on a great college team and he couldn't stick in the pros. Who in the hell could he guard if he had to play 48 minutes a game against a professional team? James Augustine was abused by the referees and Sean May, who is so fat he was out of the league in 4 years. The pro teams are too good and deep.

[rocket]

5 random nsbb'ers couldn't beat a mid level woman's college basketball team

That's crazy as well. I played against a girl that was 2nd team all american when I was finishing up school at Iowa. She couldn't physically compete with the guys that could play, we were too strong.

 

so you assume all nsbb posters are at your skill level?

[bukie]

After blowing the Heat out of the building Friday, the Spurs are down 30-13 early against the Lakers.

[Formerly Snayke]

About the Heat: they have five weeks to get straightened out, they have two good wins since Christmas (LA, Orlando) and they are clearly inferior to the Celtics and Bulls. And despite the fact that they have LeBron, Wade and Bosh and are going to win 55 games, they can't even get a good crowd to a Sunday matinee against one of the best teams in the league. I just don't think LeBron could honestly say so far that it's all been worth it.

[imb]

Aaron Brooks looks really weird in a Suns jersey

[illiniguy]

5 random nsbb'ers couldn't beat a mid level woman's college basketball team

That's crazy as well. I played against a girl that was 2nd team all american when I was finishing up school at Iowa. She couldn't physically compete with the guys that could play, we were too strong.

 

so you assume all nsbb posters are at your skill level?

No, but the guys who play often are gonna be too strong for them.

[UMFan83]

Heh, thanks to realgm for this

 

 

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[imb]

I wish that was one image so i could tweet it to him 100 times a day

[wolf stansson]

I want a Vince Carter flop gif from last night to send to people in my office.

 

BALL DON'T LIE, VINCE.

[Banedon]

Heh, thanks to realgm for this

 

heh....I just read that the one "make" in that 1-18 in the final seconds stat....was a dunk by Lebron to send a game with Memphis into OT, which Miami ended up losing. Fantastic.

[Jon]

In video form:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APudEYEVZJQ&feature=player_embedded

[UMFan83]

Oh wow, this is a great great Twitter account.

 

I present: Erik as a Heat fan:

 

[erik316wttn]

Oh wow, this is a great great Twitter account.

 

I present: Erik as a Heat fan:

 

 

Haha, it's funny because this is the very definition of "pot calling the kettle black"

[imb]

Oh wow, this is a great great Twitter account.

 

I present: Erik as a Heat fan:

 

 

Hahahaha, it really is

[UMFan83]

But my kettle is white

[bukie]

Celtics became the first team to mathematically clinch a playoff spot tonight, as the Bobcats lost.

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Oh wow, this is a great great Twitter account.

 

I present: Erik as a Heat fan:

 

 

isn't that a guy who posts a lot on realgm or something? i know i know that name from somewhere

[gflore34]

About the Heat: they have five weeks to get straightened out, they have two good wins since Christmas (LA, Orlando) and they are clearly inferior to the Celtics and Bulls. And despite the fact that they have LeBron, Wade and Bosh and are going to win 55 games, they can't even get a good crowd to a Sunday matinee against one of the best teams in the league. I just don't think LeBron could honestly say so far that it's all been worth it.

 

I don't know where a bench and an inside game is going to materialize for the Heat, without these, despite James and Wade, they haven't much of a chance.

[17 Seconds]

the heat just went down at home again