Dunn to the White Sox (p. 12)

[abuck1220]

seriously, who cares about the NTC? first of all, at 3/$36, he can friggin have a NTC. secondly, have these NTC's that hendry apparently hands out left and right really ever hurt the cubs? i mean, regardless of whether soriano has a NTC, nobody wants to trade for him anyway, so big deal.

[jersey cubs fan]

seriously, who cares about the NTC? first of all, at 3/$36, he can friggin have a NTC. secondly, have these NTC's that hendry apparently hands out left and right really ever hurt the cubs? i mean, regardless of whether soriano has a NTC, nobody wants to trade for him anyway, so big deal.

 

The Samardzija one, maybe. Had they let him work up the minors instead of yoyoing him between the major league pen and minor league rotation, he could have been a fairly valuable trade chip by now.

[MSG T]

Contract Crowdsourcing: Adam Dunn

 

The Fangraphs community pegs Dunn at 3/36.

 

Where do I sign?

 

Right after the clause stating that "Player may reject a trade to any other organization in MLB"

 

At 3/$36 I'd take him even with the NTC.

[dew1679666265]

Contract Crowdsourcing: Adam Dunn

 

The Fangraphs community pegs Dunn at 3/36.

 

Where do I sign?

 

Right after the clause stating that "Player may reject a trade to any other organization in MLB"

 

At 3/$36 I'd take him even with the NTC.

 

No doubt.

[dew1679666265]

seriously, who cares about the NTC? first of all, at 3/$36, he can friggin have a NTC. secondly, have these NTC's that hendry apparently hands out left and right really ever hurt the cubs? i mean, regardless of whether soriano has a NTC, nobody wants to trade for him anyway, so big deal.

 

The Samardzija one, maybe. Had they let him work up the minors instead of yoyoing him between the major league pen and minor league rotation, he could have been a fairly valuable trade chip by now.

 

I think Shark is kind of in with Soriano as far as his NTC goes, with the way they handled him the NTC is irrelevant because nobody will want him. Had they handled him better, they may not have any interest in trading him.

[jersey cubs fan]

seriously, who cares about the NTC? first of all, at 3/$36, he can friggin have a NTC. secondly, have these NTC's that hendry apparently hands out left and right really ever hurt the cubs? i mean, regardless of whether soriano has a NTC, nobody wants to trade for him anyway, so big deal.

 

The Samardzija one, maybe. Had they let him work up the minors instead of yoyoing him between the major league pen and minor league rotation, he could have been a fairly valuable trade chip by now.

 

I think Shark is kind of in with Soriano as far as his NTC goes, with the way they handled him the NTC is irrelevant because nobody will want him. Had they handled him better, they may not have any interest in trading him.

 

That is in no way in common with Soriano.

[dew1679666265]

That is in no way in common with Soriano.

 

The part that's in common with Soriano is that I don't think, at this point, that either Shark or Soriano would be tradeable assets without the NTC. Why they're not tradeable is different, but the fact that they aren't tradeable is similar.

[jersey cubs fan]

That is in no way in common with Soriano.

 

The part that's in common with Soriano is that I don't think, at this point, that either Shark or Soriano would be tradeable assets without the NTC. Why they're not tradeable is different, but the fact that they aren't tradeable is similar.

 

Except it's not. Soriano isn't tradable because nobody can afford him. People might be willing to take a chance on Samardzija, but they can't unless the Cubs deny his option and let him go to free agency.

[dew1679666265]

Except it's not. Soriano isn't tradable because nobody can afford him. People might be willing to take a chance on Samardzija, but they can't unless the Cubs deny his option and let him go to free agency.

 

I can't see any team giving anything of any value for Shark. They'd take him for a PTBNL, but I can't imagine any more than that. And I think a team out there looking to make a splash might take Soriano and his contract if we gave him away for nothing – not likely, but possible. We could definitely trade Soriano if we took back another bad contract (Vernon Wells, for instance).

 

So both are tradeable, but not in trades that would help the Cubs.

[jersey cubs fan]

Except it's not. Soriano isn't tradable because nobody can afford him. People might be willing to take a chance on Samardzija, but they can't unless the Cubs deny his option and let him go to free agency.

 

I can't see any team giving anything of any value for Shark. They'd take him for a PTBNL, but I can't imagine any more than that. And I think a team out there looking to make a splash might take Soriano and his contract if we gave him away for nothing – not likely, but possible. We could definitely trade Soriano if we took back another bad contract (Vernon Wells, for instance).

 

So both are tradeable, but not in trades that would help the Cubs.

 

Shark could probably easily be added to a package for something of use, and if they had kept him in the minors would have been for something even better. His no trade was unprecedented and stupid. The theory that the Cubs might not have wanted to trade him is besides the point.

[dew1679666265]

Shark could probably easily be added to a package for something of use, and if they had kept him in the minors would have been for something even better. His no trade was unprecedented and stupid. The theory that the Cubs might not have wanted to trade him is besides the point.

 

I'll agree that the NTC wasn't a good idea, but does Shark really have much (if any) more value right now than a guy like Mitch Adkins or JR Mathes? He's much younger than Mathes, but the same age (or close) as Adkins and much, much more expensive. I doubt either of them would get anything as a throw-in for a trade.

 

I do agree that he'd likely have much more value if they hadn't yoyo'd him, though.

[cubfan]

Shark could probably easily be added to a package for something of use, and if they had kept him in the minors would have been for something even better. His no trade was unprecedented and stupid. The theory that the Cubs might not have wanted to trade him is besides the point.

 

I'll agree that the NTC wasn't a good idea, but does Shark really have much (if any) more value right now than a guy like Mitch Adkins or JR Mathes? He's much younger than Mathes, but the same age (or close) as Adkins and much, much more expensive. I doubt either of them would get anything as a throw-in for a trade.

 

I do agree that he'd likely have much more value if they hadn't yoyo'd him, though.

 

I was under the impression that the NTC was needed or he would not sign and would go the football route instead.

[Guest]

Except it's not. Soriano isn't tradable because nobody can afford him. People might be willing to take a chance on Samardzija, but they can't unless the Cubs deny his option and let him go to free agency.

I'm pretty sure if the cubs don't pick up the option, he'll still be under team control. He just wouldn't have a contract at that point.

 

The only way he'd be a free agent is if there's a clause in the contract that the Cubs have to non-tender him if they don't pick up the option.

[dew1679666265]

I was under the impression that the NTC was needed or he would not sign and would go the football route instead.

 

Yeah, without the NTC, Shark's playing football right now most likely. No matter how much you like a drafted prospect, though, I'm not sure I'm ever in favor of giving that kid an NTC. Unless he's Mark Prior or Strasburg or somebody like that.

[PackLandVA]

Didn't read the whole thread, but what about going after Victor Martinez as an everyday 1B. He's only a year older than Dunn and makes less. I don't know that the Red Sox will let him walk, but he may want to get out from behind the plate to prolong his career.

[treebird]

Didn't read the whole thread, but what about going after Victor Martinez as an everyday 1B. He's only a year older than Dunn and makes less. I don't know that the Red Sox will let him walk, but he may want to get out from behind the plate to prolong his career.

 

victor martinez makes less because he is way less good. his best offensive season isn't as good as dunn's career average. and he's older, and he's got catcher years on his odometer, not standing in left field years.

 

he would need to be a ton cheaper, and even then i don't know that i like him all that much as an option. we don't appear to be on the verge of having a team that can sustain a .800 ops at first base and not care.

[17 Seconds]

victor martinez is one of the more overrated players in baseball

[SABR Gamer]

Shark could probably easily be added to a package for something of use, and if they had kept him in the minors would have been for something even better. His no trade was unprecedented and stupid. The theory that the Cubs might not have wanted to trade him is besides the point.

 

Would anyone even give a sh** about flippin Shark if he wasn't a former wide receiver at ND? He's old for a prospect, he walks a batters like crazy, and hasn't posted standout numbers in about 4 years.

 

Random pitcher X, who is identical to Shark (numbers, stuff), but wasn't a football player who picked baseball over the NFL, nobody would really care all that much. His entire fan perceived value is because of his name, I doubt any GM wants anything to do with him, at least at this point.

 

MAYBE he would have turned out decent if they had sent him through the minors more wisely, but they didn't.

[A New Era]

Smardzija is just one of the many pitchers with good heat that never amounted to anything. There's been hundreds of guys like that. I doubt he would have turned out any better with different handling.

[Sammy Sofa]

Are you from the future?

[Guest]

Levine reported in an ESPN chat yesterday that "Dunn is a top priority for the Cubs if they can afford him".

 

He also said the Red Sox had a lot of interest in Ramirez. Swapping Ramirez for Beltre is an intriguing idea, especially if it saves a few million in the process.

[rawaction]

Levine reported in an ESPN chat yesterday that "Dunn is a top priority for the Cubs if they can afford him".

 

He also said the Red Sox had a lot of interest in Ramirez. Swapping Ramirez for Beltre is an intriguing idea, especially if it saves a few million in the process.

 

Beltre's really good defensively right? Still, the Sox would have to throw in a pretty decent prospect in addition, IMO.

[Tarver]

Beltre's a free agent.

[Guest]

Beltre's a free agent.

 

Yes, I'm aware.

[UMFan83]

I don't know how the Cubs are going to cut $15 million from their payroll and still afford Dunn as I've seen speculated.

 

The only definitive thing I've read though was from Ricketts himself saying that payroll would probably go down a bit next year. In owner speak "probably" likely means "will".