<3 Brandon Phillips

[ConstableRabbit]

Chicago is a capital city. It's the third biggest media market in the country. You can't compare the two.

 

Chicago will always win over StL. But I'll take St louis over Detroit, Cleveland, Indy, Louisville, KC, Cincy, Memphis, Nashville, New Orleans, OKC, SLC, Buffalo, Houston, San Antone and maybe Dallas any day of the week.

 

StL aint that bad.

It's not better than Houston, San Antonio, or Dallas.

 

Not even close.

[davearm2]

Chicago is a capital city. It's the third biggest media market in the country. You can't compare the two.

 

Chicago will always win over StL. But I'll take St louis over Detroit, Cleveland, Indy, Louisville, KC, Cincy, Memphis, Nashville, New Orleans, OKC, SLC, Buffalo, Houston, San Antone and maybe Dallas any day of the week.

 

StL aint that bad.

It's not better than Houston, San Antonio, or Dallas.

 

Not even close.

You couldn't pay me enough to live in Texas during the heat of the summer. Granted StL gets awfully hot too, but Texas is just stifling.

 

When you're playing baseball with the roof closed on a typical summer afternoon, it's a problem.

[ConstableRabbit]

Chicago is a capital city. It's the third biggest media market in the country. You can't compare the two.

 

Chicago will always win over StL. But I'll take St louis over Detroit, Cleveland, Indy, Louisville, KC, Cincy, Memphis, Nashville, New Orleans, OKC, SLC, Buffalo, Houston, San Antone and maybe Dallas any day of the week.

 

StL aint that bad.

It's not better than Houston, San Antonio, or Dallas.

 

Not even close.

You couldn't pay me enough to live in Texas during the heat of the summer. Granted StL gets awfully hot too, but Texas is just stifling.

 

When you're playing baseball with the roof closed on a typical summer afternoon, it's a problem.

It's not that much hotter (~7-8 degrees on average) but I think StL is a lot more humid.

 

They play with the roof closed because they have one to close.

[davearm2]

Chicago is a capital city. It's the third biggest media market in the country. You can't compare the two.

 

Chicago will always win over StL. But I'll take St louis over Detroit, Cleveland, Indy, Louisville, KC, Cincy, Memphis, Nashville, New Orleans, OKC, SLC, Buffalo, Houston, San Antone and maybe Dallas any day of the week.

 

StL aint that bad.

It's not better than Houston, San Antonio, or Dallas.

 

Not even close.

You couldn't pay me enough to live in Texas during the heat of the summer. Granted StL gets awfully hot too, but Texas is just stifling.

 

When you're playing baseball with the roof closed on a typical summer afternoon, it's a problem.

It's not that much hotter (~7-8 degrees on average) but I think StL is a lot more humid.

 

They play with the roof closed because they have one to close.

And they have one to close because they had to build their stadium that way to deal with the oppressive weather.

 

Heck even their football stadium has a roof for heaven's sake. It ain't because of rain.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Is it because of locusts?

[Sosa21MVP]

4 straight losses for those fired up Redbirds. They are so fired up they can't even beat the Brewers. :P

[illiniguy]

Kansas City is way better than St. Louis. Not even close really.

[XZero771679666304]

Chicago is a capital city. It's the third biggest media market in the country. You can't compare the two.

 

Chicago will always win over StL. But I'll take St louis over Detroit, Cleveland, Indy, Louisville, KC, Cincy, Memphis, Nashville, New Orleans, OKC, SLC, Buffalo, Houston, San Antone and maybe Dallas any day of the week.

 

StL aint that bad.

It's not better than Houston, San Antonio, or Dallas.

 

Not even close.

 

I agree, and I hate Texas. It's not nearly better than KC or SLC either, IMO.

[17 Seconds]

wtg brandon phillips. boy i bet he feels stupid now

[SouthSideRyan]

Just keep your stupid mouth shut next time Brandon

[Formerly Snayke]

Kansas City is way better than St. Louis. Not even close really.

 

Not even close at what? The two cities are fairly the same.

[illiniguy]

Kansas City is way better than St. Louis. Not even close really.

 

Not even close at what? The two cities are fairly the same.

Their economies aren't. Plus Kansas City is a very pretty city. Everytime I go to St. Louis, which I have to a lot my wife's family is from there, I always just feel lioke I am in a dirty city.

[ELCABALLO45]

St. Louis is now 3 games back with the Reds playing tonight.

 

They are now 1-5 since sweeping the Reds. Way to turn the Cards season around Phillips.

[imb]

Kansas City is way better than St. Louis. Not even close really.

 

agreed.

[ELCABALLO45]

Also, I just realized while looking at Albert's numbers

 

.316 BA (4th)

32 HR (1st)

88 RBI (1st)

 

He trails only Joey Votto (.321), Martin Prado (.319) and Carlos Gonzalez (.318) in BA.

[baseballfan50]

4 straight losses for those fired up Redbirds. They are so fired up they can't even beat the Brewers. :P

 

The Brewers and Cubs always seem to have our number. We play down to their level.

 

I hope this team wakes up pretty soon. The players just seem so listless. The stupid trade for Feliz didn't help.

 

Little update on the brawl, LaRue is likely going to be out the rest of the season with his concussion symptoms.

 

As far as comparing cities, Chicago is in a league of its own. I've been there once, on two different days. It was a great trip. I wouldn't want to visit every year, though. Too expensive and crowded for my tastes. It was a once-in-a-lifetime experience. I don't plan to go back any time soon. Although I guess any place you visit on vacation is going to be more fun than any place you live at.

 

I enjoy visiting St. Louis. I live three hours away, but St. Louis feels more like home than any other big city does to me. I like a lot of things about the city. Sure, St. Louis has its crime issues (some neighborhoods more than others), but I've never had any issues while visiting. I really enjoy Blues and Cardinals games. Busch Stadium is beautiful as well.

 

Wrigley was historic (I visited a few weeks ago), but I like Busch Stadium better. For one, St. Louis feels more like home, surrounded by my fellow fans. On top of that, Wrigley just wasn't very comfortable. We were pretty close to the field even in the "cheap" seats, but I switched places with my Mom because the beam blocked my view of the batter. Wrigley was unique in a lot of ways, but climbing the ramps, finding concessions and bathrooms and the crampedness of it all didn't really appeal to me. I know this sounds like sacrilege, but I missed the video board that Busch has. It shows replays and the out of town scores and stuff. There were a few boards around Wrigley, but from where we sitting they were harder to see. We didn't really have the chance to see Wrigleyville. We don't drink much, though. Wrigley does have much more urban surroundings than Busch does. That's a good thing obviously. The stadium itself just wasn't that comfortable.

 

Chicago obviously has a lot more to do. It's population is larger than that of the State of Missouri. I do enjoy visiting St. Louis, though. My teams are there and I like visiting the museums and stuff as well. I just like being there. It's a big enough city for me. We can go up for a weekend and find plenty to do. It's large enough that there's enough to do, but small enough that I can get a better idea where things are. Even if I live in Chicago, I'm not sure I would ever be able to find my way around very easily. St. Louis has its issues, but it has improved a lot (especially the Downtown area) in the last ten years. Construction is ongoing. I feel like St. Louis is going in the right direction. I don't know enough about Chicago to say if it's going in the right direction, but it seems to be doing fine.

 

Miller Park was okay. The stadium looked nice. There wasn't really a view of anything, though. It was surrounded by parking. There were people tailgating as we entered. It was emptier (30,000 people there) and our tickets were $4 a piece for 8 seats together (we were surrounded by empty seats). It was a good experience. It didn't have the atmosphere that Wrigley and Busch have. The surroundings weren't as nice as either of those stadiums, though. Milwaukee was neat. We went to the Germanfest there.

 

My four-year-old cousin was at Miller with us (not Wrigley, though). He spent half the game running up and down the aisle behind our seats and playing video games and on the playground. I know when we went to Busch Stadium with my disabled friend (she has difficulty walking) was given a ride after the stadium back down to the gates. Busch also has the elevators and escalators. Neither of them would have been able to visit Wrigley (my cousin couldn't sit still and my friend would have had a lot of difficulty getting in and out of the stadium). This doesn't necessarily make Wrigley bad. It's an older stadium so those things should be expected. I would expect Wrigley has a more limited fanbase, though. I couldn't imagine taking little rowdy kids to Wrigley. In fact, I didn't see many there. While they are gimmicky, the stuff for kids at Miller and Busch make it much easier for a family.

 

Wrigley was nice in a lot of ways. I didn't get the awe-inspiring feeling there any more than I get it at any other stadium, though. The fans were friendly and the game was fun. Wrigley has a lot of unique attributes, but so does Busch Stadium. Wrigley does have better surroundings, and a much bigger city. Still, Busch Stadium is great, too. I'm not really the type that believes than an old stadium is necessarily better than all new ones. Stadiums just have to be judged on what they offer.

 

We did have Chicago style pizza. It was 2/3 sauce and 1/3 cheese and the crust on bottom was as thin as regular pizza. It wasn't that impressed by it. I don't get the hype. I'm not fanatical about Imo's either (it's alright). I just wasn't that impressed by Gino's. We got bacon cheeseburger. It was sauce and cheese. No bacon or burger meat in sight.

 

St. Louis is almost crazily fanatical about the Cardinals. The Blues have a good fanbase, too (especially after the debacle after the lockout). But the Cardinals are the main attraction.

 

I really like this video. It kind of gives you an idea about the fanaticism. Warning, though, there is some Cub hate. :p

The video along the right side about the Birds on a Bat is pretty interesting, too, especially if you like baseball history. There's quite a few videos there about the Cardinals and their history. It's pretty interesting to watch, though probably not as much from a Cubs fans perspective. I love baseball history, though.

 

Obviously Chicago is crazy about their sports as well. I'm pretty sure Wrigley would fill up no matter what.

 

The bit about the babies made me smile. I'm pretty sure the Cardinals were on in the hospital after I was born, too. Cardinal fandom is in my genes.

[NCCubFan]

Little update on the brawl, LaRue is likely going to be out the rest of the season with his concussion symptoms.

It's beyond likely now, it's 100% certain. He was moved to the 60-day DL a day or so ago, and the season ends before the 60 days are up.

[mike2482]

Chicago is a capital city. It's the third biggest media market in the country. You can't compare the two.

 

Chicago will always win over StL. But I'll take St louis over Detroit, Cleveland, Indy, Louisville, KC, Cincy, Memphis, Nashville, New Orleans, OKC, SLC, Buffalo, Houston, San Antone and maybe Dallas any day of the week.

 

StL aint that bad.

It's not better than Houston, San Antonio, or Dallas.

 

Not even close.

 

I would take Indy over St. Louis as well. They don't have an MLB team but their Minor League stadium is great. Same with Lucas and Canseco. Other than Mardis Gras I have had much more fun in Indy.

[MWV]

Having lived ~6 years in Milwaukee and ~5 years in St. Louis, I would place Milwaukee above STL. Milwaukee is by no means perfect, but it has a lovely lakefront and a number of neighborhoods in which one can live reasonably and safely without owning a car. St. Louis, on the other hand, offers all of the unpleasantness of an urban environment with very few of the perks.

By comparison, the public transit is awful in St. Louis and the downtown is a husk of its former self (and by former self I mean circa the 1904 world's fair).

St. Louis is less a city than it is a collection of suburbs clustered around a lifeless urban core that would be entirely abandoned were it not for a baseball park.

[baseballfan50]

I agree Milwaukee's lakefront is nice. St. Louis needs to have a better riverfront. Hopefully with the City to River project and the removal of I-70 Downtown that will improve that. The Downtown area is apparently a lot better than it was even around 1995. The public transit does leave a lot to be desired, though. That said, St. Louis is finally on the upswing. It's not perfect, but, from what I've seen, it has improved a lot. There's still a lot more to improve on (especially schools), though.

 

St. Louis has its problems. That said, I don't think it's worse than most other cities the same size. It has some very pretty neighborhoods (and some not as pretty ones, mostly on the North Side). It has SLU and WASHU. The population has about leveled off (gained a few thousand people last year). Downtown has had a lot of renovated buildings since 1999 and construction is currently going on. I think the future is bright for St. Louis.

 

But when talking about cities a lot of things are subjective anyway.

[SouthSideRyan]

Milwaukee is like 40% homeless people

[illiniguy]

4 straight losses for those fired up Redbirds. They are so fired up they can't even beat the Brewers. :P

 

The Brewers and Cubs always seem to have our number. We play down to their level.

 

I hope this team wakes up pretty soon. The players just seem so listless. The stupid trade for Feliz didn't help.

 

Little update on the brawl, LaRue is likely going to be out the rest of the season with his concussion symptoms.

 

As far as comparing cities, Chicago is in a league of its own. I've been there once, on two different days. It was a great trip. I wouldn't want to visit every year, though. Too expensive and crowded for my tastes. It was a once-in-a-lifetime experience. I don't plan to go back any time soon. Although I guess any place you visit on vacation is going to be more fun than any place you live at.

 

I enjoy visiting St. Louis. I live three hours away, but St. Louis feels more like home than any other big city does to me. I like a lot of things about the city. Sure, St. Louis has its crime issues (some neighborhoods more than others), but I've never had any issues while visiting. I really enjoy Blues and Cardinals games. Busch Stadium is beautiful as well.

 

Wrigley was historic (I visited a few weeks ago), but I like Busch Stadium better. For one, St. Louis feels more like home, surrounded by my fellow fans. On top of that, Wrigley just wasn't very comfortable. We were pretty close to the field even in the "cheap" seats, but I switched places with my Mom because the beam blocked my view of the batter. Wrigley was unique in a lot of ways, but climbing the ramps, finding concessions and bathrooms and the crampedness of it all didn't really appeal to me. I know this sounds like sacrilege, but I missed the video board that Busch has. It shows replays and the out of town scores and stuff. There were a few boards around Wrigley, but from where we sitting they were harder to see. We didn't really have the chance to see Wrigleyville. We don't drink much, though. Wrigley does have much more urban surroundings than Busch does. That's a good thing obviously. The stadium itself just wasn't that comfortable.

 

Chicago obviously has a lot more to do. It's population is larger than that of the State of Missouri. I do enjoy visiting St. Louis, though. My teams are there and I like visiting the museums and stuff as well. I just like being there. It's a big enough city for me. We can go up for a weekend and find plenty to do. It's large enough that there's enough to do, but small enough that I can get a better idea where things are. Even if I live in Chicago, I'm not sure I would ever be able to find my way around very easily. St. Louis has its issues, but it has improved a lot (especially the Downtown area) in the last ten years. Construction is ongoing. I feel like St. Louis is going in the right direction. I don't know enough about Chicago to say if it's going in the right direction, but it seems to be doing fine.

 

Miller Park was okay. The stadium looked nice. There wasn't really a view of anything, though. It was surrounded by parking. There were people tailgating as we entered. It was emptier (30,000 people there) and our tickets were $4 a piece for 8 seats together (we were surrounded by empty seats). It was a good experience. It didn't have the atmosphere that Wrigley and Busch have. The surroundings weren't as nice as either of those stadiums, though. Milwaukee was neat. We went to the Germanfest there.

 

My four-year-old cousin was at Miller with us (not Wrigley, though). He spent half the game running up and down the aisle behind our seats and playing video games and on the playground. I know when we went to Busch Stadium with my disabled friend (she has difficulty walking) was given a ride after the stadium back down to the gates. Busch also has the elevators and escalators. Neither of them would have been able to visit Wrigley (my cousin couldn't sit still and my friend would have had a lot of difficulty getting in and out of the stadium). This doesn't necessarily make Wrigley bad. It's an older stadium so those things should be expected. I would expect Wrigley has a more limited fanbase, though. I couldn't imagine taking little rowdy kids to Wrigley. In fact, I didn't see many there. While they are gimmicky, the stuff for kids at Miller and Busch make it much easier for a family.

 

Wrigley was nice in a lot of ways. I didn't get the awe-inspiring feeling there any more than I get it at any other stadium, though. The fans were friendly and the game was fun. Wrigley has a lot of unique attributes, but so does Busch Stadium. Wrigley does have better surroundings, and a much bigger city. Still, Busch Stadium is great, too. I'm not really the type that believes than an old stadium is necessarily better than all new ones. Stadiums just have to be judged on what they offer.

 

We did have Chicago style pizza. It was 2/3 sauce and 1/3 cheese and the crust on bottom was as thin as regular pizza. It wasn't that impressed by it. I don't get the hype. I'm not fanatical about Imo's either (it's alright). I just wasn't that impressed by Gino's. We got bacon cheeseburger. It was sauce and cheese. No bacon or burger meat in sight.

 

St. Louis is almost crazily fanatical about the Cardinals. The Blues have a good fanbase, too (especially after the debacle after the lockout). But the Cardinals are the main attraction.

 

I really like this video. It kind of gives you an idea about the fanaticism. Warning, though, there is some Cub hate. :p

The video along the right side about the Birds on a Bat is pretty interesting, too, especially if you like baseball history. There's quite a few videos there about the Cardinals and their history. It's pretty interesting to watch, though probably not as much from a Cubs fans perspective. I love baseball history, though.

 

Obviously Chicago is crazy about their sports as well. I'm pretty sure Wrigley would fill up no matter what.

 

The bit about the babies made me smile. I'm pretty sure the Cardinals were on in the hospital after I was born, too. Cardinal fandom is in my genes.

Since '03 we have been in the ballpark with you. It isn't like you have constanlty had alot better team than us.

[NonProfitCow]

Since '03 we have been in the ballpark with you. It isn't like you have constanlty had alot better team than us.

Or as terrible from year to year.

[illiniguy]

Since '03 we have been in the ballpark with you. It isn't like you have constanlty had alot better team than us.

Or as terrible from year to year.

True.

[Tarver]

Only thing Milwaukee has in it's favor over StL is that it's 200 miles closer to Chicago.

 

And for those arguing Dallas, I might agree. But KC or Houston? No way. StL at least has half decent mass-transit. Houston is almost as bad as Atlanta and KC's inferiority complex (and shitty strip clubs) screw it up.