College Basketball 2010-11

[Guest]

Dude it's Baylor and he took them to the Elite 8 last year and when he took over they were the worst high-major in the country. I don't think he can coach either but come on.

 

He's been there 8 years, I don't think the program's status then is all that relevant anymore. The point is that he's probably taken them as far as he can, because every year they're either going to be equal or less(in some cases much less) than the sum of their parts. You can do more with less(or more with more, for that matter) in basketball coaching than any other sport, and I think Baylor's to the point where they shouldn't be afraid of oblivion if they didn't have Drew coaching.

[Old Style]

Dude it's Baylor and he took them to the Elite 8 last year and when he took over they were the worst high-major in the country. I don't think he can coach either but come on.

They beat three double digit seeds to reach the Elight 8. They just got lucky. Drew is a terrible coach who uses questionable methods to bring in great talent but thankfully can't do much with it. My fear is Baylor firing Drew and bringing in someone who can actually coach up that talent.

[da bears]

Dude it's Baylor and he took them to the Elite 8 last year and when he took over they were the worst high-major in the country. I don't think he can coach either but come on.

They beat three double digit seeds to reach the Elight 8. They just got lucky. Drew is a terrible coach who uses questionable methods to bring in great talent but thankfully can't do much with it. My fear is Baylor firing Drew and bringing in someone who can actually coach up that talent.

eh, but if they fire drew, there's no promises that the next coach will be able to "attract" top talent to waco.

[CubColtPacer]

The funny thing is all week I've been reading people on the IU scout board talking about how IU is going to win 20 games and go to the NCAA tourney next year. :lol: How or why, I have no idea.

 

With a legitimate post player, I think IU could be a much better team. I've been impressed with Oladipo and Sheehey, and Watford/Jones/Hulls/Creek are all solid players. Adding Zeller to the mix could make them a tourney team next year IMO.

 

No.

 

If Creek was completely healthy I think there would be a chance. But I have serious doubts about Creek contributing at all next year so I think IU should be very happy with an NIT berth next year with the huge jump coming the year after. They just won't have quite enough depth next year at any position. Next year they'll still be missing 1 more good guard and 1 more good post player that they would need to really be good.

[Andy]

Marshon Brooks has 52 points for Providence against Notre Dame tonight.

Big East record for a regular-season game, ND record for most points surrendered. Thank God they can't play defense.

[Smack]

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[shnsajax]

Dude it's Baylor and he took them to the Elite 8 last year and when he took over they were the worst high-major in the country. I don't think he can coach either but come on.

They beat three double digit seeds to reach the Elight 8. They just got lucky. Drew is a terrible coach who uses questionable methods to bring in great talent but thankfully can't do much with it. My fear is Baylor firing Drew and bringing in someone who can actually coach up that talent.

eh, but if they fire drew, there's no promises that the next coach will be able to "attract" top talent to waco.

 

They won't fire Drew until the NCAA actually comes down on him. He is bringing in talent though, but his classes are small.

[SouthSideRyan]

I think Indiana fans are expecting too much out of Zeller next year. Only the most dominant HS big men come and have a huge impact their freshman year. It's not a guarantee he'll be any better than the interchangable white guys that are already there.

[Chisoxillini]

That banked 3 by Gasser most likely ended Michigan's tournament chances. Between Evan Turner's prayer and Gasser's 3, Michigan basketball sure has mastered the art of getting nut punched.

 

And Tom Crean's Big 10 record is 8-43? That's just preposterously miserable.

 

Yes, he should be shot for not taking this team of 5-star recruits to the Final 4 by now.

 

Who said anything about a final 4? He should be winning more than 1 out of 6 Big Ten games, protecting the home court better, and beating Iowa or Northwestern at least once in year 3, however.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

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at least he cares about losing.

[CubColtPacer]

That banked 3 by Gasser most likely ended Michigan's tournament chances. Between Evan Turner's prayer and Gasser's 3, Michigan basketball sure has mastered the art of getting nut punched.

 

And Tom Crean's Big 10 record is 8-43? That's just preposterously miserable.

 

Yes, he should be shot for not taking this team of 5-star recruits to the Final 4 by now.

 

Who said anything about a final 4? He should be winning more than 1 out of 6 Big Ten games, protecting the home court better, and beating Iowa or Northwestern at least once in year 3, however.

 

Well, the 1-17 in year 1 had to be completely expected. That team had several decent players surrounded by walkons who were playing a ton of minutes.

 

Year two was an injury to Creek and still not enough talent. Still an improvement to 4 Big 10 wins was reasonable.

 

Year 3 has been the only disappointing one. It was mostly caused by whiffing on a true big man back in the 09 class, mostly whiffing on the 2010 class (although I like Sheehey and Oladipo as role/energy players), Creek's injury, and the fact that the Big 10 is really deep this year.

 

So they've maybe underperformed in the Big 10 over those 3 years, but maybe to the tune of 5 wins combined. Really the only major thing that has been done wrong is that guys like Pritchard and Bawa were never developed properly. Elston doesn't have the size and Capiobanco has no skills to develop with.

[rawaction]

That banked 3 by Gasser most likely ended Michigan's tournament chances. Between Evan Turner's prayer and Gasser's 3, Michigan basketball sure has mastered the art of getting nut punched.

 

And Tom Crean's Big 10 record is 8-43? That's just preposterously miserable.

 

Yes, he should be shot for not taking this team of 5-star recruits to the Final 4 by now.

 

Who said anything about a final 4? He should be winning more than 1 out of 6 Big Ten games, protecting the home court better, and beating Iowa or Northwestern at least once in year 3, however.

 

IU has much less talent than Northwestern has had the last 3 years. Iowa it's pretty close. 8-43 is about right for a coach that inherited 2 scholarship players that were both former walk-ons.

[Exile on Waveland]

IU is No. 70 in Pomeroy. I don't see how that is remotely underachieving.

[Sosa21MVP]

I think Indiana fans are expecting too much out of Zeller next year. Only the most dominant HS big men come and have a huge impact their freshman year. It's not a guarantee he'll be any better than the interchangable white guys that are already there.

 

I don't expect a lot out of him next year but I'm pretty sure he will at least be better than Pritchard/Elston/Capobianco. Which isn't saying much of course.

[Sosa21MVP]

IU is No. 70 in Pomeroy. I don't see how that is remotely underachieving.

 

That is nice. I still feel like we have underachieved.

[hawkeyecub]

Dude it's Baylor and he took them to the Elite 8 last year and when he took over they were the worst high-major in the country. I don't think he can coach either but come on.

They beat three double digit seeds to reach the Elight 8. They just got lucky. Drew is a terrible coach who uses questionable methods to bring in great talent but thankfully can't do much with it. My fear is Baylor firing Drew and bringing in someone who can actually coach up that talent.

 

Yes and I'm not arguing any of that. He's not a good coach and he's a shady recruiter. But it's [expletive] Baylor. Their program was as close to the death penalty as you can get when he took over. He had them what, like 7 points from the Final Four?

[Guest]

Dude it's Baylor and he took them to the Elite 8 last year and when he took over they were the worst high-major in the country. I don't think he can coach either but come on.

They beat three double digit seeds to reach the Elight 8. They just got lucky. Drew is a terrible coach who uses questionable methods to bring in great talent but thankfully can't do much with it. My fear is Baylor firing Drew and bringing in someone who can actually coach up that talent.

 

Yes and I'm not arguing any of that. He's not a good coach and he's a shady recruiter. But it's [expletive] Baylor. Their program was as close to the death penalty as you can get when he took over. He had them what, like 7 points from the Final Four?

 

You're focusing on last year like it was the crescendo of some build up and that this year is a rebuilding aberration. The year before they missed the tournament entirely, and the year before that they lost in the first round as an 11 seed. Baylor isn't a 4 letter word anymore, and it's thanks to Drew's recruiting. But I don't think he's ever going to get his players to play at a level that consistently takes them to the next step, and his underachievement has been enormous.

[Old Style]

There's a damn good chance they don't make the tournament this season. Didn't they start in the Top 10/15?

[hawkeyecub]

You're focusing on last year like it was the crescendo of some build up and that this year is a rebuilding aberration. The year before they missed the tournament entirely, and the year before that they lost in the first round as an 11 seed. Baylor isn't a 4 letter word anymore, and it's thanks to Drew's recruiting. But I don't think he's ever going to get his players to play at a level that consistently takes them to the next step, and his underachievement has been enormous.

 

No but as long as he keeps recruiting like this he's going to ocassionally get lucky and make deep runs like that. If you're Baylor that's pretty good. He has the #5 player in the country coming next year and the #2 player in '12 along with another top 50 kid next year.

[snoodmonger]

You're focusing on last year like it was the crescendo of some build up and that this year is a rebuilding aberration. The year before they missed the tournament entirely, and the year before that they lost in the first round as an 11 seed. Baylor isn't a 4 letter word anymore, and it's thanks to Drew's recruiting. But I don't think he's ever going to get his players to play at a level that consistently takes them to the next step, and his underachievement has been enormous.

 

No but as long as he keeps recruiting like this he's going to ocassionally get lucky and make deep runs like that. If you're Baylor that's pretty good. He has the #5 player in the country coming next year and the #2 player in '12 along with another top 50 kid next year.

 

I agree that, for Baylor, talent and a lucky run every now and again are pretty good. But man, Drew is not a good coach.

 

This year he has on his roster:

Sr LaceDarius Dunn (5*, #6 SG from 2007)

Jr Anthony Jones (4*, #6 SF from 2008)

Jr J'Mison Morgan (5*, #3 C from 2008)

So Nolan Dennis (4*, #16 SG from 2009)

Fr Perry Jones III (5*, #3 C from 2010)

 

and a several athletic role players. And he hasn't done squat with them, in a Big 12 with only 2 elite teams. Everyone else in the league is beatable, yet they'll struggle to get to .500.

[rawaction]

I think Indiana fans are expecting too much out of Zeller next year. Only the most dominant HS big men come and have a huge impact their freshman year. It's not a guarantee he'll be any better than the interchangable white guys that are already there.

 

I don't expect a lot out of him next year but I'm pretty sure he will at least be better than Pritchard/Elston/Capobianco. Which isn't saying much of course.

 

I think Pritchard is actually a decent piece to a team. He can play some defense, board, and set some screens. Elston has the worst basketball IQ I have ever seen. And Capobianco looks to have been given the wrong scholarship, because basketball is not his sport.

[Flames24Rulz]

You're focusing on last year like it was the crescendo of some build up and that this year is a rebuilding aberration. The year before they missed the tournament entirely, and the year before that they lost in the first round as an 11 seed. Baylor isn't a 4 letter word anymore, and it's thanks to Drew's recruiting. But I don't think he's ever going to get his players to play at a level that consistently takes them to the next step, and his underachievement has been enormous.

 

No but as long as he keeps recruiting like this he's going to ocassionally get lucky and make deep runs like that. If you're Baylor that's pretty good. He has the #5 player in the country coming next year and the #2 player in '12 along with another top 50 kid next year.

 

I agree that, for Baylor, talent and a lucky run every now and again are pretty good. But man, Drew is not a good coach.

 

This year he has on his roster:

Sr LaceDarius Dunn (5*, #6 SG from 2007)

Jr Anthony Jones (4*, #6 SF from 2008)

Jr J'Mison Morgan (5*, #3 C from 2008)

So Nolan Dennis (4*, #16 SG from 2009)

Fr Perry Jones III (5*, #3 C from 2010)

 

and a several athletic role players. And he hasn't done squat with them, in a Big 12 with only 2 elite teams. Everyone else in the league is beatable, yet they'll struggle to get to .500.

 

Sounds like Bruce Weber.

[Sosa21MVP]

I think Indiana fans are expecting too much out of Zeller next year. Only the most dominant HS big men come and have a huge impact their freshman year. It's not a guarantee he'll be any better than the interchangable white guys that are already there.

 

I don't expect a lot out of him next year but I'm pretty sure he will at least be better than Pritchard/Elston/Capobianco. Which isn't saying much of course.

 

I think Pritchard is actually a decent piece to a team. He can play some defense, board, and set some screens. Elston has the worst basketball IQ I have ever seen. And Capobianco looks to have been given the wrong scholarship, because basketball is not his sport.

 

I'm not saying Pritchard is useless but I'd damn well expect Cody Zeller to be better than him at least. :P Agreed on Elston and Capo. If Capo isn't going to knock anyone out with a stray elbow then he is useless otherwise.

[SouthSideRyan]

You're focusing on last year like it was the crescendo of some build up and that this year is a rebuilding aberration. The year before they missed the tournament entirely, and the year before that they lost in the first round as an 11 seed. Baylor isn't a 4 letter word anymore, and it's thanks to Drew's recruiting. But I don't think he's ever going to get his players to play at a level that consistently takes them to the next step, and his underachievement has been enormous.

 

No but as long as he keeps recruiting like this he's going to ocassionally get lucky and make deep runs like that. If you're Baylor that's pretty good. He has the #5 player in the country coming next year and the #2 player in '12 along with another top 50 kid next year.

 

I agree that, for Baylor, talent and a lucky run every now and again are pretty good. But man, Drew is not a good coach.

 

This year he has on his roster:

Sr LaceDarius Dunn (5*, #6 SG from 2007)

Jr Anthony Jones (4*, #6 SF from 2008)

Jr J'Mison Morgan (5*, #3 C from 2008)

So Nolan Dennis (4*, #16 SG from 2009)

Fr Perry Jones III (5*, #3 C from 2010)

 

and a several athletic role players. And he hasn't done squat with them, in a Big 12 with only 2 elite teams. Everyone else in the league is beatable, yet they'll struggle to get to .500.

 

Sounds like Bruce Weber.

 

I'd kill for that talent

[hawkeyecub]

Hey snood and imb!, what do you guys know about your PG recruiting situation? Cezar Guerrero the #61 ranked player in the country by Rivals is listing Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Iowa and Kansas as his top four. He already visited OU and supposedly is visiting Okie State this weekend and Iowa next weekend and has one left. Sounds like the KU offer might be conditional on Selby and Taylor.

 

Not getting my hopes up but he would be Iowa's biggest recruit since Tyler Smith.

Edited February 25, 2011 by hawkeyecub