Cubs sign OF Marlon Byrd (3/$15M)

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

To be honest, considering we were dead-set on gettin rid of Bradley and Cameron was already gone, Byrd at 3/15 was probably about as good as we could have hoped.

[Sosa21MVP]

To be honest, considering we were dead-set on gettin rid of Bradley and Cameron was already gone, Byrd at 3/15 was probably about as good as we could have hoped.

 

More than likely true. I don't have a huge problem with this signing. I'm not excited about it or anything but it isn't terrible. Now THAT is a ringing endorsement right there........"well it isn't terrible". lol

[USSoccer]

I don't think this is a bad move.

[ELCABALLO45]

If im a Cub fan, I would not mind this deal at all. I would of rather had Cameron, but Byrd at 3 for 15 to play CF and move Fukudome back to right where he is a great defender is not that bad at all.

 

Also for Cub fans, at least its not Scotty P, right?

[NCCubFan]

Also for Cub fans, at least its not Scotty P, right?

Nor is it Rick Ankiel. It could have been a lot worse.

[CyHawk_Cub]

Not bad, ok with this. But Godammit Jim, backloaded is his middle name.

 

Backloaded contracts are good.

 

This is actually a pretty good deal. And Praise baby Jesus that it wasn't for Podsednik

 

Yep. NOT signing Pods is the primary upshot here, IMO

[Serge]

You already said this type of stuff in another thread, and people showed you things to prove your theory wrong. Since Wrigley is actually a better hitters park then Texas. Plus even you said that hitter in NL Central road parks will help him with the road stats compared to AL West parks. Also Coors Field back in 2004 was alot better hitters park then Texas currently is or any ballpark in baseball currently is.

 

No one proved my theory wrong. And Wrigley is not a better hitter's park than Texas.

 

Maybe Byrd will be awesome. However, I tend to believe that the extreme hitter's park that Arlington is and has been tends to give the appearance that hitters are better than they really are.

 

It is though. That's not really opinion either, it's a fact. By ESPN's numbers Wrigley from 2007-2009 ranked 2nd, 8th, and 3rd in Park Factor. Arlington went 18th, 1st, and 7th. By Baseball-references numbers, Wrigley the past three years has been a 107, 105, and 111. Arlington a 97, 103, 105. By any objective measure, Wrigley is a better hitters park than Arlington.

 

Not even mentioning that he's going from the AL to the weakest division in the NL....

[bhogg]

What's the deal with Hendry and back loaded contracts?

[Sammy Sofa]

What's the deal with Hendry and back loaded contracts?

 

They're usually the smart thing to do with a contract like this and a team that's under somewhat of a budget crunch. This is hardly unique to Hendry and is very common around MLB with most GM's.

[davell]

What's the deal with Hendry and back loaded contracts?

 

They're usually the smart thing to do with a contract like this and a team that's under somewhat of a budget crunch. This is hardly unique to Hendry and is very common around MLB with most GM's.

 

 

Plus. in his case, he's maximizing everything he can do and won't be here to see the ramifications of his work, in all likelihood. He's just putting the best(in his mind) on the roster, which in turn, will be someone else's mess to clean up, assuming the longterm deals that are backloaded inevitably don't work out. Still, like was just said, it's a common practice......

[Post Count Padder]

What's the deal with Hendry and back loaded contracts?

 

They're usually the smart thing to do with a contract like this and a team that's under somewhat of a budget crunch. This is hardly unique to Hendry and is very common around MLB with most GM's.

 

 

Plus. in his case, he's maximizing everything he can do and won't be here to see the ramifications of his work, in all likelihood. He's just putting the best(in his mind) on the roster, which in turn, will be someone else's mess to clean up, assuming the longterm deals that are backloaded inevitably don't work out. Still, like was just said, it's a common practice......

A common practice. And we'll have an average to below average 34-year-old outfielder making $6.5 million.

[MSG T]

What's the deal with Hendry and back loaded contracts?

 

They're usually the smart thing to do with a contract like this and a team that's under somewhat of a budget crunch. This is hardly unique to Hendry and is very common around MLB with most GM's.

 

 

Plus. in his case, he's maximizing everything he can do and won't be here to see the ramifications of his work, in all likelihood. He's just putting the best(in his mind) on the roster, which in turn, will be someone else's mess to clean up, assuming the longterm deals that are backloaded inevitably don't work out. Still, like was just said, it's a common practice......

A common practice. And we'll have an average to below average 34-year-old outfielder making $6.5 million.

 

It's much better to pay an average to below average 34 year old outfielder $6.5 mil than an average to below average 38 year old outfielder $18 mil. We'll still be looking forward to that AFTER Byrd is long gone.

[Electron Blue]

What's the deal with Hendry and back loaded contracts?

 

They're usually the smart thing to do with a contract like this and a team that's under somewhat of a budget crunch. This is hardly unique to Hendry and is very common around MLB with most GM's.

 

 

Plus. in his case, he's maximizing everything he can do and won't be here to see the ramifications of his work, in all likelihood. He's just putting the best(in his mind) on the roster, which in turn, will be someone else's mess to clean up, assuming the longterm deals that are backloaded inevitably don't work out. Still, like was just said, it's a common practice......

A common practice. And we'll have an average to below average 34-year-old outfielder making $6.5 million.

 

We'll also pay that average-ish outfielder about $3.5M right about in his prime. For an average OF, that's quite good. That's how averages work, of course, just don't lose sight of it.

[Roast]

Is Hendry aware that he's allowed to give outfielders contracts of less than 3 years?

 

That said, $5 Mil a year doesn't really bother me. I just don't like the length. This feels like one of those things where we're going to be trying to trade him in a year or two and have to eat some of his contract to do so.

 

That said, it's not that bad. Not that good either.

[blufftonbuck]

Does Byrd shift to RF next year and let Jackson or Colvin man CF and safe money to let Fukodome move on.

[Brett]

Does Byrd shift to RF next year and let Jackson or Colvin man CF and safe money to let Fukodome move on.

 

Fukudome is signed through 2011.

[Backtobanks]

Does Byrd shift to RF next year and let Jackson or Colvin man CF and safe money to let Fukodome move on.

 

Fukudome is signed through 2011.

 

 

He doesn't have a NTC, so I think it possible he might get shopped if one of the youngsters starts showing something.

[Roast]

 

 

He doesn't have a NTC

According to Cot's, yes he does.

 

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

Kosuke Fukudome of

4 years/$48M (2008-11)

 

* 4 years/$48M (2008-11)

o signed by Cubs as a free agent from Japan 12/12/07

o $4M signing bonus

o 08:$6M, 09:$11.5M, 10:$13M, 11:$13.5M

o no-trade protection

o club must sign Fukudome to an extension by 11/15/2011 or release him, allowing him to become a free agent

o award bonuses: $0.3M each for MVP, WS MVP, $0.2M for LCS MVP, $0.1M Silver Slugger, $75,000 each for Gold Glove, All Star

o perks: 8 first-class round-trip air tickets between Japan and Chicago for family each year, personal trainer, masseuse, interpreter, visa expenses, $25,000 annually in moving expenses, vehicle during spring training and regular season

o Fukudome to make annual donation to club charity

* agent: Joe Urbon

* ML service: 1.000

[dew1679666265]

 

 

He doesn't have a NTC

According to Cot's, yes he does.

 

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

Kosuke Fukudome of

4 years/$48M (2008-11)

 

* 4 years/$48M (2008-11)

o signed by Cubs as a free agent from Japan 12/12/07

o $4M signing bonus

o 08:$6M, 09:$11.5M, 10:$13M, 11:$13.5M

o no-trade protection

o club must sign Fukudome to an extension by 11/15/2011 or release him, allowing him to become a free agent

o award bonuses: $0.3M each for MVP, WS MVP, $0.2M for LCS MVP, $0.1M Silver Slugger, $75,000 each for Gold Glove, All Star

o perks: 8 first-class round-trip air tickets between Japan and Chicago for family each year, personal trainer, masseuse, interpreter, visa expenses, $25,000 annually in moving expenses, vehicle during spring training and regular season

o Fukudome to make annual donation to club charity

* agent: Joe Urbon

* ML service: 1.000

 

No trade protection is different than a no trade clause, is it not? Protection, I think, just means that he can limit his options of where he's traded.

[E.J.]

 

 

He doesn't have a NTC

According to Cot's, yes he does.

 

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

Kosuke Fukudome of

4 years/$48M (2008-11)

 

* 4 years/$48M (2008-11)

o signed by Cubs as a free agent from Japan 12/12/07

o $4M signing bonus

o 08:$6M, 09:$11.5M, 10:$13M, 11:$13.5M

o no-trade protection

o club must sign Fukudome to an extension by 11/15/2011 or release him, allowing him to become a free agent

o award bonuses: $0.3M each for MVP, WS MVP, $0.2M for LCS MVP, $0.1M Silver Slugger, $75,000 each for Gold Glove, All Star

o perks: 8 first-class round-trip air tickets between Japan and Chicago for family each year, personal trainer, masseuse, interpreter, visa expenses, $25,000 annually in moving expenses, vehicle during spring training and regular season

o Fukudome to make annual donation to club charity

* agent: Joe Urbon

* ML service: 1.000

 

No trade protection is different than a no trade clause, is it not? Protection, I think, just means that he can limit his options of where he's traded.

 

I think you're correct. The other players on the team who we know have a no-trade clause are listed as having "no-trade clause."

[SouthSideRyan]

At home and on the road at all of his other stops, he's basically been right in between 100 and 110.

 

This isn't even close to being true.

 

Believe whatever you want, but Byrd will probably be a 100-110 OPS+ guy all 3 years he's a Cub.

 

I'm done arguing about the ever so mediocre Marlon Byrd.

 

So you think he'll have an OPS+ right around his 112 he had with the Rangers...

 

And a 100-110 OPS+ from a CF for 5M a year is a steal.

[davearm2]

Do you realize the Cubs already had a good hitting CF last year? Now they are moving him to RF where he won't be comparably good

 

I do realize that, but he was a bad defensive CF last year. Moving him to RF will improve the defense, and probably still give us better production then we got out of Bradley last year. Especially if we find the right platoon partner for him. For example how would a Jonny Gomes and Fukudome platoon in RF look next season?

 

I do not think Fukudome was bad in CF, and I doubt Byrd will be better.

 

fukudome was very bad in center last year, and byrd is about average there.

 

so yes, he should be a lot better. also, it helps the d in rf. so that's 2 defensive positions upgraded with 1 move.

Show me a stat that says the same player is a big defensive liability in CF but a big asset in RF, and I'll show you a stat that I don't have a whole lot of faith in. Granted there's more ground to cover in CF than RF, but that conclusion just doesn't pass the smell test.

[davearm2]

It is though. That's not really opinion either, it's a fact. By ESPN's numbers Wrigley from 2007-2009 ranked 2nd, 8th, and 3rd in Park Factor. Arlington went 18th, 1st, and 7th. By Baseball-references numbers, Wrigley the past three years has been a 107, 105, and 111. Arlington a 97, 103, 105. By any objective measure, Wrigley is a better hitters park than Arlington.

 

Not even mentioning that he's going from the AL to the weakest division in the NL....

Talk about stats that don't pass the smell test... a ballpark went from 18th to 1st in one year?

 

Absent significant changes to the field's dimensions, its park factor should remain essentially constant from year to year. So unless they moved in the fences 25 feet or chopped the foul territory in half of something, that just doesn't add up.

[SouthSideRyan]

It is though. That's not really opinion either, it's a fact. By ESPN's numbers Wrigley from 2007-2009 ranked 2nd, 8th, and 3rd in Park Factor. Arlington went 18th, 1st, and 7th. By Baseball-references numbers, Wrigley the past three years has been a 107, 105, and 111. Arlington a 97, 103, 105. By any objective measure, Wrigley is a better hitters park than Arlington.

 

Not even mentioning that he's going from the AL to the weakest division in the NL....

Talk about stats that don't pass the smell test... a ballpark went from 18th to 1st in one year?

 

Absent significant changes to the field's dimensions, its park factor should remain essentially constant from year to year. So unless they moved in the fences 25 feet or chopped the foul territory in half of something, that just doesn't add up.

 

Weather.

[Guest]

Outside of a few exceptions park factors are meanigless.