College Football Bowl Discussion

[jersey cubs fan]

Collin Cowherd said that was proof that the SEC hits harder than everyone else. "That hit last night didn't even look bad. But that's what the SEC does, they hit harder than everyone else and beat you up. Even when it doesn't look bad, it is."

 

Sometimes my bed hits me so hard when I'm asleep that I can barely move my arm when I wake up. It must be an SEC bed.

 

That is freaky, I had the worst instance of dead arm when waking up the other morning.

[jame.gumb]

I know some have answered the "Why couldn't Colt come back" question, but this explains it a bit better, imo: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-texasqbs010810&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

I was upset about the game last night, but mostly because I felt bad for Colt. Texas, with a true freshman QB with 26 pass attempts all year and probably zero practice with the first-team, coming within 3 of Alabama was a good fight. I'm proud of them. I'm upset, though, because I hate that Colt didn't get to finish what he'd worked his whole life for (up to this point).

 

Thanks. I hadn't read anything post-game recap about his injury yet. I hated seeing him get hurt like that; it just didn't look like a game-ender (though obviously uneducated "looks" aren't terribly conclusive).

 

Yeah, I kept waiting for him to come back into the game. Just a freak thing.

[Outshined_One]

-Not kneeling to end the first half was horrible coaching. I'm not terribly conservative, but that was not a good decision. Regroup with your freshman QB at halftime only down a very manageable 17-6. The interception return was a fluke, sure, but the chances of UT scoring were so minimal it wasn't worth the risk.

 

The shovel pass call was the horrible part of all that.

 

Texas gets the ball back and, rather than kneel, they decide to run up the middle, which resulted in a sizable gain. Texas then called timeout, rather than let the clock run out to go to half. At this point, I figure they're going to try for a deep pass down the field. If it gets picked off, the odds of Alabama returning it for a TD are pretty minimal. Even if Alabama picked it off, there only would have been a few seconds remaining and it would have been well down the field, meaning Saban would have likely taken the knee to end the half. However, if the deep pass succeeds, Texas either ends up with a TD or they run like hell down the field for a spike and a FG attempt.

 

All of that is fine in my mind. But then...the shovel pass was called.

 

I simply don't get that call. As he was going in for the half, Mack Brown claimed it was a high percentage play; that it was a safe call. That makes no sense. He had a really young QB with limited experience behind center. Alabama's DL had been getting penetration all night. Moreover, the probability of a shovel pass getting Texas within FG range, even if it worked, was fairly small. Had the RB caught it clean, I don't think he would have made it very far. The DL seemed to have him covered. I really don't see how that play was supposed to result in a favorable outcome for Texas.

[RedFlash]

I know some have answered the "Why couldn't Colt come back" question, but this explains it a bit better, imo: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-texasqbs010810&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

I was upset about the game last night, but mostly because I felt bad for Colt. Texas, with a true freshman QB with 26 pass attempts all year and probably zero practice with the first-team, coming within 3 of Alabama was a good fight. I'm proud of them. I'm upset, though, because I hate that Colt didn't get to finish what he'd worked his whole life for (up to this point).

 

Thanks. I hadn't read anything post-game recap about his injury yet. I hated seeing him get hurt like that; it just didn't look like a game-ender (though obviously uneducated "looks" aren't terribly conclusive).

 

Yeah, I kept waiting for him to come back into the game. Just a freak thing.

 

Like most, I hated to see Colt's last game in college football to end like that. I rather have beaten a McCoy lead Texas team, instead of Gilbert, but oh well. That's the only regret of the NCG, was seeing the look on McCoy's face.

[jame.gumb]

-Not kneeling to end the first half was horrible coaching. I'm not terribly conservative, but that was not a good decision. Regroup with your freshman QB at halftime only down a very manageable 17-6. The interception return was a fluke, sure, but the chances of UT scoring were so minimal it wasn't worth the risk.

 

The shovel pass call was the horrible part of all that.

 

Texas gets the ball back and, rather than kneel, they decide to run up the middle, which resulted in a sizable gain. Texas then called timeout, rather than let the clock run out to go to half. At this point, I figure they're going to try for a deep pass down the field. If it gets picked off, the odds of Alabama returning it for a TD are pretty minimal. Even if Alabama picked it off, there only would have been a few seconds remaining and it would have been well down the field, meaning Saban would have likely taken the knee to end the half. However, if the deep pass succeeds, Texas either ends up with a TD or they run like hell down the field for a spike and a FG attempt.

 

All of that is fine in my mind. But then...the shovel pass was called.

 

I simply don't get that call. As he was going in for the half, Mack Brown claimed it was a high percentage play; that it was a safe call. That makes no sense. He had a really young QB with limited experience behind center. Alabama's DL had been getting penetration all night. Moreover, the probability of a shovel pass getting Texas within FG range, even if it worked, was fairly small. Had the RB caught it clean, I don't think he would have made it very far. The DL seemed to have him covered. I really don't see how that play was supposed to result in a favorable outcome for Texas.

 

Most Texas fans have been questioning Greg Davis' playcalling for years. I, personally, have let it go, as it had driven me to the brink of insanity.

[jame.gumb]

I know some have answered the "Why couldn't Colt come back" question, but this explains it a bit better, imo: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-texasqbs010810&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

I was upset about the game last night, but mostly because I felt bad for Colt. Texas, with a true freshman QB with 26 pass attempts all year and probably zero practice with the first-team, coming within 3 of Alabama was a good fight. I'm proud of them. I'm upset, though, because I hate that Colt didn't get to finish what he'd worked his whole life for (up to this point).

 

Thanks. I hadn't read anything post-game recap about his injury yet. I hated seeing him get hurt like that; it just didn't look like a game-ender (though obviously uneducated "looks" aren't terribly conclusive).

 

Yeah, I kept waiting for him to come back into the game. Just a freak thing.

 

Like most, I hated to see Colt's last game in college football to end like that. I rather have beaten a McCoy lead Texas team, instead of Gilbert, but oh well. That's the only regret of the NCG, was seeing the look on McCoy's face.

 

I kind of feel sorry for you guys because a lot of people are giving Alabama an incomplete for this season. This is a tricky situation. Texas without Colt isn't the No. 2 team in the nation and wouldn't be playing in that game, but that's the hand Alabama was dealt.

 

The bottom line for me is that Alabama won the MNC. I will always wonder what would have happened, but I'm not going assign an asterisk like some. I just hope Colt has a chance at a pro career, because I'd hate for that to have been his last football game.

[RedFlash]

I kind of feel sorry for you guys because a lot of people are giving Alabama an incomplete for this season. This is a tricky situation. Texas without Colt isn't the No. 2 team in the nation and wouldn't be playing in that game, but that's the hand Alabama was dealt.

 

The bottom line for me is that Alabama won the MNC. I will always wonder what would have happened, but I'm not going assign an asterisk like some. I just hope Colt has a chance at a pro career, because I'd hate for that to have been his last football game.

 

People will stare at the 4 INTs in his stats, but overall Gilbert didn't play as bad as people think given the circumstance. He showed flashes of greatness, but glimpses of being a freshman QB.

[jame.gumb]

I kind of feel sorry for you guys because a lot of people are giving Alabama an incomplete for this season. This is a tricky situation. Texas without Colt isn't the No. 2 team in the nation and wouldn't be playing in that game, but that's the hand Alabama was dealt.

 

The bottom line for me is that Alabama won the MNC. I will always wonder what would have happened, but I'm not going assign an asterisk like some. I just hope Colt has a chance at a pro career, because I'd hate for that to have been his last football game.

 

People will stare at the 4 INTs in his stats, but overall Gilbert didn't play as bad as people think given the circumstance. He showed flashes of greatness, but glimpses of being a freshman QB.

 

Exactly. He's an 18-year-old 5-star QB and he played like one.

 

I will say this, I'm not worried about him going into the '10 RRS anymore. I don't think there's a situation he can be put in that's more nervewracking than his first significant action last night. I'm excited to see what this kid can do with some reps with the first-team offense.

[shnsajax]

-Not kneeling to end the first half was horrible coaching. I'm not terribly conservative, but that was not a good decision. Regroup with your freshman QB at halftime only down a very manageable 17-6. The interception return was a fluke, sure, but the chances of UT scoring were so minimal it wasn't worth the risk.

 

The shovel pass call was the horrible part of all that.

 

Texas gets the ball back and, rather than kneel, they decide to run up the middle, which resulted in a sizable gain. Texas then called timeout, rather than let the clock run out to go to half. At this point, I figure they're going to try for a deep pass down the field. If it gets picked off, the odds of Alabama returning it for a TD are pretty minimal. Even if Alabama picked it off, there only would have been a few seconds remaining and it would have been well down the field, meaning Saban would have likely taken the knee to end the half. However, if the deep pass succeeds, Texas either ends up with a TD or they run like hell down the field for a spike and a FG attempt.

 

All of that is fine in my mind. But then...the shovel pass was called.

 

I simply don't get that call. As he was going in for the half, Mack Brown claimed it was a high percentage play; that it was a safe call. That makes no sense. He had a really young QB with limited experience behind center. Alabama's DL had been getting penetration all night. Moreover, the probability of a shovel pass getting Texas within FG range, even if it worked, was fairly small. Had the RB caught it clean, I don't think he would have made it very far. The DL seemed to have him covered. I really don't see how that play was supposed to result in a favorable outcome for Texas.

 

Most Texas fans have been questioning Greg Davis' playcalling for years. I, personally, have let it go, as it had driven me to the brink of insanity.

 

I had accepted it too, but last night drove back all of the reasons I used to dislike him. I'm scared about how well he will adjust the offense to work around Gilbert. He should be working with more of a pro-style offense, and less of the spread but we will see. I am very excited to see Gilbert and Darius White together next year. Hopefully we can get Jeffcoat or Hicks as well to add to the defense.

[jame.gumb]

-Not kneeling to end the first half was horrible coaching. I'm not terribly conservative, but that was not a good decision. Regroup with your freshman QB at halftime only down a very manageable 17-6. The interception return was a fluke, sure, but the chances of UT scoring were so minimal it wasn't worth the risk.

 

The shovel pass call was the horrible part of all that.

 

Texas gets the ball back and, rather than kneel, they decide to run up the middle, which resulted in a sizable gain. Texas then called timeout, rather than let the clock run out to go to half. At this point, I figure they're going to try for a deep pass down the field. If it gets picked off, the odds of Alabama returning it for a TD are pretty minimal. Even if Alabama picked it off, there only would have been a few seconds remaining and it would have been well down the field, meaning Saban would have likely taken the knee to end the half. However, if the deep pass succeeds, Texas either ends up with a TD or they run like hell down the field for a spike and a FG attempt.

 

All of that is fine in my mind. But then...the shovel pass was called.

 

I simply don't get that call. As he was going in for the half, Mack Brown claimed it was a high percentage play; that it was a safe call. That makes no sense. He had a really young QB with limited experience behind center. Alabama's DL had been getting penetration all night. Moreover, the probability of a shovel pass getting Texas within FG range, even if it worked, was fairly small. Had the RB caught it clean, I don't think he would have made it very far. The DL seemed to have him covered. I really don't see how that play was supposed to result in a favorable outcome for Texas.

 

Most Texas fans have been questioning Greg Davis' playcalling for years. I, personally, have let it go, as it had driven me to the brink of insanity.

 

I had accepted it too, but last night drove back all of the reasons I used to dislike him. I'm scared about how well he will adjust the offense to work around Gilbert. He should be working with more of a pro-style offense, and less of the spread but we will see. I am very excited to see Gilbert and Darius White together next year. Hopefully we can get Jeffcoat or Hicks as well to add to the defense.

 

I thought he began to adjust to that offense last night. I bet we'd have seen more of the pro-style had they not been playing catchup most of the game.

 

I'm optimistic about Hicks, but for some reason I see Jeffcoat going to USC. It's OK, an Okafor-Bible-Dorsey-Wilson front 4 will be just fine with me. With White, Goodwin, Monroe, Newton and Williams, GG is going to have some weapons.

[NCCubFan]

There's really no reason Boise State shouldn't have a shot at the title. They might be the best team in the nation.

 

There's a reason there is no NCAA Championship in football.....

 

That crystal football says otherwise.

 

Incorrect. Alabama won the BCS National Championship. The NCAA has nothing to do with the "championship" process is college football. The BCS (and the entire bowl system) operates outside of the NCAA, thus there has not been an actual NCAA football championship in a long time (if ever)

Correct; that's why the former Division 1-AA is called the Football Championship Subdivision now. It's the highest level that has an official NCAA-sanctioned championship.

[Andy]

Is it too what-if/instant-history to say that a Texas win would've been one of the best single-game coaching jobs in sports history? I feel like the way things were going for Texas after McCoy went out that it was a borderline miracle they ever got close. Gilbert really impressed me in the 4th quarter, and the fumble that lost the game really wasn't his fault since he got crunched by an unblocked player on his blind side.

[jame.gumb]

Is it too what-if/instant-history to say that a Texas win would've been one of the best single-game coaching jobs in sports history? I feel like the way things were going for Texas after McCoy went out that it was a borderline miracle they ever got close. Gilbert really impressed me in the 4th quarter, and the fumble that lost the game really wasn't his fault since he got crunched by an unblocked player on his blind side.

 

I honestly don't know if that fumble is on Gilbert for not spotting the blitz, the OL for not changing the protection or Greg Davis for not having Newton in the backfield at the best time for Bama to blitz. But I blame most of the INTs (except the botched shovel pass) on Gilbert being a freshman (i.e. staring down receivers).

Edited January 8, 2010 by jame.gumb

[hawkeyecub]

Collin Cowherd said that was proof that the SEC hits harder than everyone else. "That hit last night didn't even look bad. But that's what the SEC does, they hit harder than everyone else and beat you up. Even when it doesn't look bad, it is."

 

What an idiot

 

Truly. For some irrational reason I listen to him for 5-10 minutes every day.

[Guest]

Collin Cowherd said that was proof that the SEC hits harder than everyone else. "That hit last night didn't even look bad. But that's what the SEC does, they hit harder than everyone else and beat you up. Even when it doesn't look bad, it is."

 

What an idiot

 

Truly. For some irrational reason I listen to him for 5-10 minutes every day.

 

When I saw that, I was going to ask why you'd even bother to listen to him.

[imb]

Herbstreit's top 5 for 2010:

 

1. Alabama

2. Ohio State

3. Oklahoma

4. Iowa

5. Virginia Tech

 

wtf, get ou out of there

 

still no o-line and our defense is getting hit pretty hard.

[SpongeWorthy]

Cowherd's tolerable when he's not in one of his interminable "Let me tell you how the world REALLY works!" rants--which is often.

[shnsajax]

Herbstreit's top 5 for 2010:

 

1. Alabama

2. Ohio State

3. Oklahoma

4. Iowa

5. Virginia Tech

 

wtf, get ou out of there

 

still no o-line and our defense is getting hit pretty hard.

 

Here is Schlabach Top 25:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=4804655

[Transmogrified Tiger]

This offseason is going to be nauseating with all the Nebraska hype.

 

And DeMarco Murray is only a Junior? He's been at OU for thirty years.

[shnsajax]

Collin Cowherd said that was proof that the SEC hits harder than everyone else. "That hit last night didn't even look bad. But that's what the SEC does, they hit harder than everyone else and beat you up. Even when it doesn't look bad, it is."

 

Sometimes my bed hits me so hard when I'm asleep that I can barely move my arm when I wake up. It must be an SEC bed.

 

That is freaky, I had the worst instance of dead arm when waking up the other morning.

 

I've just started seeing this this past year, luckily only a couple of times. The 1st time it happened, it was so bad it freaked me out.

[shnsajax]

-Not kneeling to end the first half was horrible coaching. I'm not terribly conservative, but that was not a good decision. Regroup with your freshman QB at halftime only down a very manageable 17-6. The interception return was a fluke, sure, but the chances of UT scoring were so minimal it wasn't worth the risk.

 

The shovel pass call was the horrible part of all that.

 

Texas gets the ball back and, rather than kneel, they decide to run up the middle, which resulted in a sizable gain. Texas then called timeout, rather than let the clock run out to go to half. At this point, I figure they're going to try for a deep pass down the field. If it gets picked off, the odds of Alabama returning it for a TD are pretty minimal. Even if Alabama picked it off, there only would have been a few seconds remaining and it would have been well down the field, meaning Saban would have likely taken the knee to end the half. However, if the deep pass succeeds, Texas either ends up with a TD or they run like hell down the field for a spike and a FG attempt.

 

All of that is fine in my mind. But then...the shovel pass was called.

 

I simply don't get that call. As he was going in for the half, Mack Brown claimed it was a high percentage play; that it was a safe call. That makes no sense. He had a really young QB with limited experience behind center. Alabama's DL had been getting penetration all night. Moreover, the probability of a shovel pass getting Texas within FG range, even if it worked, was fairly small. Had the RB caught it clean, I don't think he would have made it very far. The DL seemed to have him covered. I really don't see how that play was supposed to result in a favorable outcome for Texas.

 

Most Texas fans have been questioning Greg Davis' playcalling for years. I, personally, have let it go, as it had driven me to the brink of insanity.

 

I had accepted it too, but last night drove back all of the reasons I used to dislike him. I'm scared about how well he will adjust the offense to work around Gilbert. He should be working with more of a pro-style offense, and less of the spread but we will see. I am very excited to see Gilbert and Darius White together next year. Hopefully we can get Jeffcoat or Hicks as well to add to the defense.

 

I thought he began to adjust to that offense last night. I bet we'd have seen more of the pro-style had they not been playing catchup most of the game.

 

I'm optimistic about Hicks, but for some reason I see Jeffcoat going to USC. It's OK, an Okafor-Bible-Dorsey-Wilson front 4 will be just fine with me. With White, Goodwin, Monroe, Newton and Williams, GG is going to have some weapons.

 

If Pete Carroll is gone I don't see Jeffcoat going to USC :-). I was actually looking at them a lot lower to begin with even with Carroll.

[Clem Fandango]

What's bad is that Alabama fans, even before Saban when they were a crap team, have always had these uppity delusions of grandeur that they are the greatest college football team ever, and have been even when they perform like crap. Even when they were at their worst, Alabama fans were still [expletive] annoying. And now it's a thousand times worse.

[RedFlash]

What's bad is that Alabama fans, even before Saban when they were a crap team, have always had these uppity delusions of grandeur that they are the greatest college football team ever, and have been even when they perform like crap. Even when they were at their worst, Alabama fans were still [expletive] annoying. And now it's a thousand times worse.

 

Hey..................they grouped those lunatics with us good Alabama fans. That generalization just made you look and sound like an ass. Not to mention wrong. There may be those whose "cattle has left the ranch" might fit into that catergory, but most Bama fans was NOT under what just mention Logan. So again, don't make those stupid generalizations.

[TruffleShuffle]

What's bad is that Alabama fans, even before Saban when they were a crap team, have always had these uppity delusions of grandeur that they are the greatest college football team ever, and have been even when they perform like crap. Even when they were at their worst, Alabama fans were still [expletive] annoying. And now it's a thousand times worse.

 

Hey..................they grouped those lunatics with us good Alabama fans. That generalization just made you look and sound like an ass. Not to mention wrong. There may be those whose "cattle has left the ranch" might fit into that catergory, but most Bama fans was NOT under what just mention Logan. So again, don't make those stupid generalizations.

 

if you are one of the "good" alabama fans then i'd hate to see the lunatics.

[Guest]

The Voice of Reason[/url]"]

As good as Jimmy Clausen is, he will leave ND without a winning regular season. Which can be blamed entirely on Jon Tenuta, the single worst assistant Notre Dame has had in my conscious life.

 

Yeah, I don't buy that. Tenuta, in 5 years, had 15 players drafted into the NFL from his defensive squads at Georgia Tech. Top 30 in total defense every year he was at Tech and was basically the only reason Tech ever finished above .500 under Chan Gailey. Tech's defense was on the field far more than the offense under Gailey.

 

At Notre Dame, he's come into a mess.

 

If Virginia comes to him, he'll be out of ND in a heart beat.

 

I'd imagine virtually all the assistants are out of ND in a heart beat. Maybe those with ND ties will be kept on, but unless ND utterly whiffs on their head coach, the new guy's gonna want all his own people.

 

Not that Prater ever seriously considered ND but now he most certainly will go to USC. Too bad for the Irish, he would have become their top receiver. At USC he might make second string.

 

Kyle Prater just decommitted from USC.

 

(I know that thread is locked but I couldn't resist.)