College Football - Week of Nov. 21st

[Guest]

I'm not sure he'd take it, but it's a much better gig than it was 5 years ago.

You are dreaming. It's the same job as it was when Lou Holtz left. It's a terrible job with high expectations and very little chance of success.

 

Any coach who's at a state flagship institution like OU knows they have it better than whomever is coaching ND. The only thing that can attract Stoops or Meyer would be lots and lots of money and stroking their already massive sense of self importance.

Edited November 16, 2009 by CubinNY

[dew1679666265]

The only reason for Urban to leave would be the "dream job" that Notre Dame is for him.

 

I don't think either should consider it.

 

I'd take Stoops over Meyer in a heartbeat. I also think Stoops has more reason to leave his current position. Meyer has made it clear that he wants to stay at Florida at least until his kids are out of school. I'm not sure he ever leaves the state to recruit whereas the head coach at ND flies all over the country (including now to Hawaii). He's got a perfect situation in Florida, no reason to leave. If ND is really his "dream job" he may get it at some point down the road. But Stoops has been getting pressure and doesn't have the same easy set-up as Meyer. I'm not sure he'd take it, but it's a much better gig than it was 5 years ago. I'll be surprised if ND doesn't have someone in place before the team returns from Stanford, whether it's public or not.

 

Just out of curiosity, why do you prefer Stoops to Meyer?

[Andy]

I'm sorry. Phallus Shaft.

I really shouldn't have, but I LOL'd.

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I'm not sure he'd take it, but it's a much better gig than it was 5 years ago.

You are dreaming. It's the same job as it was when Lou Holtz left. It's a terrible job with high expectations and very little chance of success.

 

Any coach who's at a state flagship institution like OU knows they have it better than whomever is coaching ND. The only thing that can attract Stoops or Meyer would be lots and lots of money and stroking their already massive self importance.

 

I'm dreaming? Stoops allegedly has interest and I said I've love to have him as the coach at ND. It's not like I'm having t-shirts printed up or something. The job may be the same as it was when Holtz left, but I didn't say anything about that. Only that it's a much better job than it was in '04 when Ty left with 2 holes in the '03/'04 recruiting classes.

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The only reason for Urban to leave would be the "dream job" that Notre Dame is for him.

 

I don't think either should consider it.

 

I'd take Stoops over Meyer in a heartbeat. I also think Stoops has more reason to leave his current position. Meyer has made it clear that he wants to stay at Florida at least until his kids are out of school. I'm not sure he ever leaves the state to recruit whereas the head coach at ND flies all over the country (including now to Hawaii). He's got a perfect situation in Florida, no reason to leave. If ND is really his "dream job" he may get it at some point down the road. But Stoops has been getting pressure and doesn't have the same easy set-up as Meyer. I'm not sure he'd take it, but it's a much better gig than it was 5 years ago. I'll be surprised if ND doesn't have someone in place before the team returns from Stanford, whether it's public or not.

 

Just out of curiosity, why do you prefer Stoops to Meyer?

 

Personality. Meyer seems like an ass to me. He was quick to throw players under the bus in the past in a way that I thought seemed childish. I'm sure he's a great coach, but he seems like a snake oil salesman.

 

I like Stoops' reputation as a great defensive coach. I like his coaching tree dating back to Hayden Fry (I'm an Iowa boy). 8 years with at least 11 wins or something like that. A long period at a big time program where he's won continuously without a big scandal.

 

Plus, I think he'd get ND and what makes it a difficult place to coach. I think he'd like the challenge and be able to handle it. While I love that Weis has been able to bring in Clausen and Crist, especially back-to-back, Stoops has won a title with Heupel as a QB and won Jason White a Heisman trophy, neither of whom are NFL quality QBs. I'd like to see what he can do with an NFL quality QB (referring to Crist, Clausen's as good as gone). And, in the very near term, I think he'd bring 3 recruits that ND has lost or will lose when Weis is fired.

[Andy]

I'm not sure he'd take it, but it's a much better gig than it was 5 years ago.

You are dreaming. It's the same job as it was when Lou Holtz left. It's a terrible job with high expectations and very little chance of success.

 

Any coach who's at a state flagship institution like OU knows they have it better than whomever is coaching ND. The only thing that can attract Stoops or Meyer would be lots and lots of money and stroking their already massive self importance.

 

I'm dreaming? Stoops allegedly has interest and I said I've love to have him as the coach at ND. It's not like I'm having t-shirts printed up or something. The job may be the same as it was when Holtz left, but I didn't say anything about that. Only that it's a much better job than it was in '04 when Ty left with 2 holes in the '03/'04 recruiting classes.

Of the 14 non-interim head coaches at ND starting with Jesse Harper, 5 are now remembered as unqualified successes and pretty well revered in South Bend (Knute, Leahy, Parseghian, Devine, Holtz), Harper is well-remembered largely because he coached Rockne and put the wheels in motion for the Irish to become a power and 2 others (Layden and Brennan) were pretty solid coaches whose only fault was coming too soon after legends had left. Hunk Anderson won 63 percent of his games over 3 years. The only four in the bunch that are remembered with overt negativity are Faust, Davie, Willingham and ostensibly Weis. That doesn't seem like a job with no chance of success to me.

 

The failure of Notre Dame coaches has more to do with the people hiring them than the coaches themselves (meaning these are guys that shouldn't have been put into a position like ND to begin with). I don't think it's a coincidence that only 1 of the first 3 was ever hired at a major program again (Ty running UW into the ground), and it's probably a safe bet that Weis won't get another college job.

[jersey cubs fan]

Of the 14 non-interim head coaches at ND starting with Jesse Harper, 5 are now remembered as unqualified successes and pretty well revered in South Bend (Knute, Leahy, Parseghian, Devine, Holtz), Harper is well-remembered largely because he coached Rockne and put the wheels in motion for the Irish to become a power and 2 others (Layden and Brennan) were pretty solid coaches whose only fault was coming too soon after legends had left. Hunk Anderson won 63 percent of his games over 3 years. The only four in the bunch that are remembered with overt negativity are Faust, Davie, Willingham and ostensibly Weis. That doesn't seem like a job with no chance of success to me.

 

The failure of Notre Dame coaches has more to do with the people hiring them than the coaches themselves (meaning these are guys that shouldn't have been put into a position like ND to begin with). I don't think it's a coincidence that only 1 of the first 3 was ever hired at a major program again (Ty running UW into the ground), and it's probably a safe bet that Weis won't get another college job.

 

I think you are revealing why it's considered a bad job, more than defending it. Isn't the whole problem about everybody living in the past? How the coaches of the distant past are remembered doesn't really affect the status of the job right now.

[Andy]

Of the 14 non-interim head coaches at ND starting with Jesse Harper, 5 are now remembered as unqualified successes and pretty well revered in South Bend (Knute, Leahy, Parseghian, Devine, Holtz), Harper is well-remembered largely because he coached Rockne and put the wheels in motion for the Irish to become a power and 2 others (Layden and Brennan) were pretty solid coaches whose only fault was coming too soon after legends had left. Hunk Anderson won 63 percent of his games over 3 years. The only four in the bunch that are remembered with overt negativity are Faust, Davie, Willingham and ostensibly Weis. That doesn't seem like a job with no chance of success to me.

 

The failure of Notre Dame coaches has more to do with the people hiring them than the coaches themselves (meaning these are guys that shouldn't have been put into a position like ND to begin with). I don't think it's a coincidence that only 1 of the first 3 was ever hired at a major program again (Ty running UW into the ground), and it's probably a safe bet that Weis won't get another college job.

 

I think you are revealing why it's considered a bad job, more than defending it. Isn't the whole problem about everybody living in the past? How the coaches of the distant past are remembered doesn't really affect the status of the job right now.

The problem is they're bringing in the wrong people. They hired a career assistant to replace Holtz, replaced him with a resume-fudger, panicked and hired Willingham to stem the negative p.r. blitz from the resume-fudger, then hired an NFL guy who doesn't get college football at all.

 

People who call it a bad job conveniently forget that it's been filled by bad coaches for the last 13 years.

[Soul]

Of the 14 non-interim head coaches at ND starting with Jesse Harper, 5 are now remembered as unqualified successes and pretty well revered in South Bend (Knute, Leahy, Parseghian, Devine, Holtz), Harper is well-remembered largely because he coached Rockne and put the wheels in motion for the Irish to become a power and 2 others (Layden and Brennan) were pretty solid coaches whose only fault was coming too soon after legends had left. Hunk Anderson won 63 percent of his games over 3 years. The only four in the bunch that are remembered with overt negativity are Faust, Davie, Willingham and ostensibly Weis. That doesn't seem like a job with no chance of success to me.

 

The failure of Notre Dame coaches has more to do with the people hiring them than the coaches themselves (meaning these are guys that shouldn't have been put into a position like ND to begin with). I don't think it's a coincidence that only 1 of the first 3 was ever hired at a major program again (Ty running UW into the ground), and it's probably a safe bet that Weis won't get another college job.

 

I think you are revealing why it's considered a bad job, more than defending it. Isn't the whole problem about everybody living in the past? How the coaches of the distant past are remembered doesn't really affect the status of the job right now.

The problem is they're bringing in the wrong people. They hired a career assistant to replace Holtz, replaced him with a resume-fudger, panicked and hired Willingham to stem the negative p.r. blitz from the resume-fudger, then hired an NFL guy who doesn't get college football at all.

 

People who call it a bad job conveniently forget that it's been filled by bad coaches for the last 13 years.

 

I don't think its a bad job but I would definitely be shaking my head if someone like Meyer took it.

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I'm not sure he'd take it, but it's a much better gig than it was 5 years ago.

You are dreaming. It's the same job as it was when Lou Holtz left. It's a terrible job with high expectations and very little chance of success.

 

Any coach who's at a state flagship institution like OU knows they have it better than whomever is coaching ND. The only thing that can attract Stoops or Meyer would be lots and lots of money and stroking their already massive self importance.

 

I'm dreaming? Stoops allegedly has interest and I said I've love to have him as the coach at ND. It's not like I'm having t-shirts printed up or something. The job may be the same as it was when Holtz left, but I didn't say anything about that. Only that it's a much better job than it was in '04 when Ty left with 2 holes in the '03/'04 recruiting classes.

Of the 14 non-interim head coaches at ND starting with Jesse Harper, 5 are now remembered as unqualified successes and pretty well revered in South Bend (Knute, Leahy, Parseghian, Devine, Holtz), Harper is well-remembered largely because he coached Rockne and put the wheels in motion for the Irish to become a power and 2 others (Layden and Brennan) were pretty solid coaches whose only fault was coming too soon after legends had left. Hunk Anderson won 63 percent of his games over 3 years. The only four in the bunch that are remembered with overt negativity are Faust, Davie, Willingham and ostensibly Weis. That doesn't seem like a job with no chance of success to me.

 

The failure of Notre Dame coaches has more to do with the people hiring them than the coaches themselves (meaning these are guys that shouldn't have been put into a position like ND to begin with). I don't think it's a coincidence that only 1 of the first 3 was ever hired at a major program again (Ty running UW into the ground), and it's probably a safe bet that Weis won't get another college job.

 

Smart ND fans won't put Weis anywhere near Willingham or even Davie when they look back on the last 5 years. As jersey said, you're making his point. But I don't agree with his reasoning. You're making his point by claiming Weis was some terrible coach when he took the team to a bowl game, including 2 BCS games, in 4/5 years and ended the damn bowl drought (I could give a rip who they played). He took over a program that Ty had run into the ground and proved you can recruit great players to ND and turn them into pro players. Clausen, Tate, Floyd, etc are only going to strengthen that reputation. Weis has made his share of mistakes and will probably never be a great head coach, but he's still paying for Ty's lazy ass. I hope he's the OC for the Bears next year.

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Of the 14 non-interim head coaches at ND starting with Jesse Harper, 5 are now remembered as unqualified successes and pretty well revered in South Bend (Knute, Leahy, Parseghian, Devine, Holtz), Harper is well-remembered largely because he coached Rockne and put the wheels in motion for the Irish to become a power and 2 others (Layden and Brennan) were pretty solid coaches whose only fault was coming too soon after legends had left. Hunk Anderson won 63 percent of his games over 3 years. The only four in the bunch that are remembered with overt negativity are Faust, Davie, Willingham and ostensibly Weis. That doesn't seem like a job with no chance of success to me.

 

The failure of Notre Dame coaches has more to do with the people hiring them than the coaches themselves (meaning these are guys that shouldn't have been put into a position like ND to begin with). I don't think it's a coincidence that only 1 of the first 3 was ever hired at a major program again (Ty running UW into the ground), and it's probably a safe bet that Weis won't get another college job.

 

I think you are revealing why it's considered a bad job, more than defending it. Isn't the whole problem about everybody living in the past? How the coaches of the distant past are remembered doesn't really affect the status of the job right now.

 

It's got a wealth of talent, a more manageable schedule than when Holtz left, great facilities, incredible alumni support, history, tradition, and national media attention. If you have enough ego to be a head coach at a big time program, the memory of Leahy, Ara, and Rockne isn't going to scare you away. You're going to take the job in the hopes of being the next statue erected on campus (in 100 years b/c it takes them for-damn-ever to get around to that crap).

[Guest]

i've never really looked into how they do the seeding for the i-aa playoffs, but since holy cross is finally in this year, i'm doing so now. unfortunately they do most of the first round matchups based on geography, meaning that the winner of the patriot league usually gets the dishonor of playing the winner of the colonial, which is almost always a strong conference and usually sends a team to the "final four" if not the championship game.

 

most projections have holy cross playing at villanova, who might be the #1 overall seed. the good news is that i'll be in new jersey the first weekend of the fcs playoffs and it would be an easy drive to see us play. the bad news is that we will almost certainly lose. kind of annoying that a team like new hampshire might get to travel out to weber state for a game they'd be favored to win, while we probably get sent to be stomped on by nova. wish they'd change the way they do the seedings so that when the patriot league actually has some pretty good teams, they don't automatically get beat by the colonial winner.

 

To be fair, New Hampshire is probably a much better team than Holy Cross and certainly has a much better resume. They beat Villanova (which, as you said, could be the No. 1 team and will likely get a top-4 seed) and Ball State (even though they're horrible, it's still just as good of a win as anything Holy Cross has). They also lost to William and Mary (a top-5 team) by three on the road.

[TheVolCub08]

A win over Vandy clinches bowl eligibility. We need to beat Vandy.

 

As long as Crompton plays similarly to how he has since Georgia, we should win easily. Probably ticketed for the Peach Bowl at this point.

 

Not terribly concerned with Vandy, especially since Kiffin will absolutely have the team's attention after the Ole MIss Massacre. Glad he kicked Nuke and Edwards off the team today. Hope everything with Jackson is resolved soon.

 

7-5 is an absolute must if we want a Chick-Fil-A appearance. And honestly, that might get UT into the Outback because the SEC is so top heavy.

 

UF and Bama will be in the BCS Bowl(s). LSU/Ole Miss winner to the Capital One, the other to the Cotton. Auburn,Arkansas, Georgia, and Tennessee are all likely 7-5 teams, and I think the Outback takes Tennessee in that case.

[dew1679666265]

A win over Vandy clinches bowl eligibility. We need to beat Vandy.

 

As long as Crompton plays similarly to how he has since Georgia, we should win easily. Probably ticketed for the Peach Bowl at this point.

 

Not terribly concerned with Vandy, especially since Kiffin will absolutely have the team's attention after the Ole MIss Massacre. Glad he kicked Nuke and Edwards off the team today. Hope everything with Jackson is resolved soon.

 

7-5 is an absolute must if we want a Chick-Fil-A appearance. And honestly, that might get UT into the Outback because the SEC is so top heavy.

 

UF and Bama will be in the BCS Bowl(s). LSU/Ole Miss winner to the Capital One, the other to the Cotton. Auburn,Arkansas, Georgia, and Tennessee are all likely 7-5 teams, and I think the Outback takes Tennessee in that case.

 

That's a very plausible scenario. And I think 7-5 from Tennessee is very likely at this point.

[hawkeyecub]

 

The failure of Notre Dame coaches has more to do with the people hiring them than the coaches themselves (meaning these are guys that shouldn't have been put into a position like ND to begin with). I don't think it's a coincidence that only 1 of the first 3 was ever hired at a major program again (Ty running UW into the ground), and it's probably a safe bet that Weis won't get another college job.

 

Smart ND fans won't put Weis anywhere near Willingham or even Davie when they look back on the last 5 years. As jersey said, you're making his point. But I don't agree with his reasoning. You're making his point by claiming Weis was some terrible coach when he took the team to a bowl game, including 2 BCS games, in 4/5 years and ended the damn bowl drought (I could give a rip who they played). He took over a program that Ty had run into the ground and proved you can recruit great players to ND and turn them into pro players. Clausen, Tate, Floyd, etc are only going to strengthen that reputation. Weis has made his share of mistakes and will probably never be a great head coach, but he's still paying for Ty's lazy ass. I hope he's the OC for the Bears next year.

 

Weis has had more than enough time to make up for the mistakes Willingham made. His teams are getting worse the farther he's getting away from the Ty years and recruits. Besides, Charlie already told us it didn't matter who the players were. He would out X and O everyone.

In '02 Ty was the savior was bringing ND and all their fans back to glory. Then he sucked and Charlie was the new savior. Now he sucks and the next guy will be. Then if he doesn't they'll still all insist it's an elite job and they're just stuck with another bad coach.

[RedFlash]

That's a very plausible scenario. And I think 7-5 from Tennessee is very likely at this point.

 

I agree with TVC, 7-5 is not just likely it's a must for Tennessee, seeing Tennessee is on the outside looking in right now. Tennessee should and will beat Vanderbilt, but the Kentucky game should be a heckuva game. One I am looking forward to seeing. I think Tennessee will steal Kentucky's spot in the bowl, by winning that game.

[TheVolCub08]

That's a very plausible scenario. And I think 7-5 from Tennessee is very likely at this point.

 

I agree with TVC, 7-5 is not just likely it's a must for Tennessee, seeing Tennessee is on the outside looking in right now. Tennessee should and will beat Vanderbilt, but the Kentucky game should be a heckuva game. One I am looking forward to seeing. I think Tennessee will steal Kentucky's spot in the bowl, by winning that game.

 

Longest winning streak in FBS for one team over an opponent (24 years), so I feel pretty confident. I don't think UK has the talent to beat UT, even if it runs the wildcat offense, which has given Monte some trouble.

 

I'd be happy to be in the Outback, though I won't be thrilled with a Wisconsin matchup again.

[RedFlash]

Longest winning streak in FBS for one team over an opponent (24 years), so I feel pretty confident. I don't think UK has the talent to beat UT, even if it runs the wildcat offense, which has given Monte some trouble.

 

I'd be happy to be in the Outback, though I won't be thrilled with a Wisconsin matchup again.

 

Cobb and Locke are as good as anybody in the SEC, so keep them in check and that game could turn into a blowout for you guys.

 

One site has you guys projected to play Boston College in the Music City Bowl. CBSSportsline has Tenn .v. Wisconsin in the Outback. Football-bowl.com has Tennessee playing VaTech in the Chik-Fil-A Bowl. So right now Tennessee is all over the place in the Bowls projections. I personally would not mind seeing Tennessee/VaTech matchup.

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The failure of Notre Dame coaches has more to do with the people hiring them than the coaches themselves (meaning these are guys that shouldn't have been put into a position like ND to begin with). I don't think it's a coincidence that only 1 of the first 3 was ever hired at a major program again (Ty running UW into the ground), and it's probably a safe bet that Weis won't get another college job.

 

Smart ND fans won't put Weis anywhere near Willingham or even Davie when they look back on the last 5 years. As jersey said, you're making his point. But I don't agree with his reasoning. You're making his point by claiming Weis was some terrible coach when he took the team to a bowl game, including 2 BCS games, in 4/5 years and ended the damn bowl drought (I could give a rip who they played). He took over a program that Ty had run into the ground and proved you can recruit great players to ND and turn them into pro players. Clausen, Tate, Floyd, etc are only going to strengthen that reputation. Weis has made his share of mistakes and will probably never be a great head coach, but he's still paying for Ty's lazy ass. I hope he's the OC for the Bears next year.

 

Weis has had more than enough time to make up for the mistakes Willingham made. His teams are getting worse the farther he's getting away from the Ty years and recruits. Besides, Charlie already told us it didn't matter who the players were. He would out X and O everyone.

In '02 Ty was the savior was bringing ND and all their fans back to glory. Then he sucked and Charlie was the new savior. Now he sucks and the next guy will be. Then if he doesn't they'll still all insist it's an elite job and they're just stuck with another bad coach.

 

If you don't know anything about either situation and just hate ND, just say so and we'll move on. Spouting ignorant BS that ESPN feeds you isn't good for anyone.

[hawkeyecub]

 

The failure of Notre Dame coaches has more to do with the people hiring them than the coaches themselves (meaning these are guys that shouldn't have been put into a position like ND to begin with). I don't think it's a coincidence that only 1 of the first 3 was ever hired at a major program again (Ty running UW into the ground), and it's probably a safe bet that Weis won't get another college job.

 

Smart ND fans won't put Weis anywhere near Willingham or even Davie when they look back on the last 5 years. As jersey said, you're making his point. But I don't agree with his reasoning. You're making his point by claiming Weis was some terrible coach when he took the team to a bowl game, including 2 BCS games, in 4/5 years and ended the damn bowl drought (I could give a rip who they played). He took over a program that Ty had run into the ground and proved you can recruit great players to ND and turn them into pro players. Clausen, Tate, Floyd, etc are only going to strengthen that reputation. Weis has made his share of mistakes and will probably never be a great head coach, but he's still paying for Ty's lazy ass. I hope he's the OC for the Bears next year.

 

Weis has had more than enough time to make up for the mistakes Willingham made. His teams are getting worse the farther he's getting away from the Ty years and recruits. Besides, Charlie already told us it didn't matter who the players were. He would out X and O everyone.

In '02 Ty was the savior was bringing ND and all their fans back to glory. Then he sucked and Charlie was the new savior. Now he sucks and the next guy will be. Then if he doesn't they'll still all insist it's an elite job and they're just stuck with another bad coach.

 

If you don't know anything about either situation and just hate ND, just say so and we'll move on. Spouting ignorant BS that ESPN feeds you isn't good for anyone.

 

Tell me what I don't know. I know that Weiss has had 4.5 recruiting classes come in. He was 19-6 his first two years playing primarily with players who were already there when he took over. He's 16-19 in the 3 seasons since when he's had to lean on the players he has recruited. It's his 5th [expletive] year and you're still blaming Willingham. Come on.

 

He has a top 5 QB and top 5 college WR (two of them in top 10 when Floyd has been healthy) and barely has a top 40 team this year. He was the one who was over the top arrogant and basically saying he would outcoach everyone on national tv. I didn't meet many ND fans who didn't eat it all up and after the 2nd BCS game were all loving him up.

Now the majority want him out and are like Andy saying their problems are based on hiring all bad coaches. It will be the same refrain if the next guy doesn't work out also.

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The failure of Notre Dame coaches has more to do with the people hiring them than the coaches themselves (meaning these are guys that shouldn't have been put into a position like ND to begin with). I don't think it's a coincidence that only 1 of the first 3 was ever hired at a major program again (Ty running UW into the ground), and it's probably a safe bet that Weis won't get another college job.

 

Smart ND fans won't put Weis anywhere near Willingham or even Davie when they look back on the last 5 years. As jersey said, you're making his point. But I don't agree with his reasoning. You're making his point by claiming Weis was some terrible coach when he took the team to a bowl game, including 2 BCS games, in 4/5 years and ended the damn bowl drought (I could give a rip who they played). He took over a program that Ty had run into the ground and proved you can recruit great players to ND and turn them into pro players. Clausen, Tate, Floyd, etc are only going to strengthen that reputation. Weis has made his share of mistakes and will probably never be a great head coach, but he's still paying for Ty's lazy ass. I hope he's the OC for the Bears next year.

 

Weis has had more than enough time to make up for the mistakes Willingham made. His teams are getting worse the farther he's getting away from the Ty years and recruits. Besides, Charlie already told us it didn't matter who the players were. He would out X and O everyone.

In '02 Ty was the savior was bringing ND and all their fans back to glory. Then he sucked and Charlie was the new savior. Now he sucks and the next guy will be. Then if he doesn't they'll still all insist it's an elite job and they're just stuck with another bad coach.

 

If you don't know anything about either situation and just hate ND, just say so and we'll move on. Spouting ignorant BS that ESPN feeds you isn't good for anyone.

 

Tell me what I don't know. I know that Weiss has had 4.5 recruiting classes come in. He was 19-6 his first two years playing primarily with players who were already there when he took over. He's 16-19 in the 3 seasons since when he's had to lean on the players he has recruited. It's his 5th [expletive] year and you're still blaming Willingham. Come on.

 

He has a top 5 QB and top 5 college WR (two of them in top 10 when Floyd has been healthy) and barely has a top 40 team this year. He was the one who was over the top arrogant and basically saying he would outcoach everyone on national tv. I didn't meet many ND fans who didn't eat it all up and after the 2nd BCS game were all loving him up.

Now the majority want him out and are like Andy saying their problems are based on hiring all bad coaches. It will be the same refrain if the next guy doesn't work out also.

 

I started writing a response, but it's not worth it. You don't like ND and don't care so why waste the time.

[hawkeyecub]

I'm willing to listen to your arguments why in his 5th year Weiss is still haunted by Ty.

 

Hayden Fry completely mailed in recruiting during his last 2-3 years. We were awful his last year. Awful in Ferentz' first year. Terrible in his 2nd year but built toward the end. 3rd year went to the Alamo Bowl. 4th year was a Big Ten title, BCS bid and 3 consecutive top 10 finishes.

 

I'm not saying it's an apples to apples but it is a comparable situation where recruiting reached a major low and the program wasn't in its best shape when the new guy took over. ND has enough prestige and he has supposedly recruited well enough that I don't understand why Willingham is still haunting him. Plus he had the two BCS bids immediately following Ty to carry momentum.

[jersey cubs fan]

Weis has made his share of mistakes and will probably never be a great head coach, but he's still paying for Ty's lazy ass. I hope he's the OC for the Bears next year.

 

 

In what way shape or form is Weis paying for Ty's laziness right now? The team is all him. He lost the Ty excuses a couple years ago, or at least he should have.

 

The Weis as Bears OC idea isn't a bad one, but it's kind of interesting to note New England has enjoyed much greater offensive success since he left, and Brady's best years have been without him. He'd still almost be a huge upgrade just by default. Although I wonder if he'd be willing to go from major college head coach back to an NFL coordinator with no time off. I feel like he'd rather sit back and enjoy his money for a year while looking for another top job. Although I wouldn't object at all if Chicago offered him a ton of dough to help them. Although if he is dumped by ND it is going to be in part due to negative perception in the Chicago area and I'd bet the Bears would view that as a knock against bringing him in to be the olive branch to fans looking for change.

[SouthSideRyan]

Although if he is dumped by ND it is going to be in part due to negative perception in the Chicago area and I'd bet the Bears would view that as a knock against bringing him in to be the olive branch to fans looking for change.

 

Well the current offensive coordinator was brought in after being fired for doing a far worse job at less of a name football program. I'd be all for Weis as Bears O coordinator.

 

I'm not out to defend Weis, I think he should be gone, but that 3-9 season was largely due to not having competent upperclassmen to lead the team. You roll out a 3-9 season, no matter what the circumstances, and it stings your profile a bit, with recruits, with alumni, with media, whomever. It's tough to recover from.

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Weis is paying for the laziness b/c the 2007 and 2008 teams still haunt him. His overall record was tanked by the '07 season. If you haven't really looked at how bad the depth was in spring 06-fall 08, you're probably underestimating Ty's laziness. This spring was the first time in 3 years that we had enough OL to have a full 2-deep. The team couldn't practice with 2 full sets of lineman b/c we didn't have them. Ty landed just 4 OL. And since ND doesn't use JC replacements to supplement their classes, they played 2 years way under the 85 man limit. Weis brought them back to the point of actually having to turn down 4-star players b/c there are too many that are interested in the program at a given position. That never happened under Ty.

 

There's too much to try to explain it all and this isn't an ND board (in fact, more readers hate ND than not) so I don't want to bog it down. But the assertion that Weis' tenure wasn't heavily impacted by the severe damage that Ty did to the program is naive [expletive] that the media has been playing for years (aided in no small part by Ty implying that race was a factor in his firing). Recruiting is only one portion. A significant portion, but not everything. Ask UW fans how they feel about him.