College Football - Week of Nov. 21st

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Navy's had a lot of fun these past two years.

 

Navy enjoyed losing last year?

 

Don't let facts get in the way of an argument with CubinNY. It's more fun to talk out of your ass.

[NewUserName]

So just to understand, the argument is either that Weis is awful or that Weis is just bad and is still paying for the Willingham years?

 

Awful? No, the argument is whether he would have been fired in 2009 had Ty not screwed the program. Where he fits on the awesome to awful scale of college coaching is a pretty ridiculous argument to have here.

 

Had I known my statement would set off this firestorm, I may not have made it. The fact that Ty's actions had lasting effects didn't seem controversial. How significant and whether Weis would have been successful enough to survive this year without Ty's work seems like an interesting argument. That Ty's work had some negative impact did not.

 

I think to say that Ty's work doesnt have some sort of residual effect at this point is probably incorrect. But he has had 5 years now and seems to be stagnating instead of improving.

[Coach C]

Lots of rumors that KU is having a formal meeting with players and their families. Mangino may have hit/gotten physical with a player. THe families are making a presentation to a panel. I think he may be gone.

Damn. Well that'll do it.

 

You want him gone or no? I can't remember which side of the fence you're on.

 

I don't necessarily want him gone unless that stuff is true. But his leash has gotten way shorter after this disaster of a season, which reshaped my perception of him as a coach. This team, at the worst, should have been 7-5. We'll be lucky to go 6-6 at this point. It was a total failure for the coaching staff.

 

Take this with a grain of salt. A player have filed a formal complaint that he was choked and verbally abused by Mangino. A few of the other players have stated the same.

 

He's been told to resign by Thursday or he will be publically fired.

[illiniguy]

Lots of rumors that KU is having a formal meeting with players and their families. Mangino may have hit/gotten physical with a player. THe families are making a presentation to a panel. I think he may be gone.

Damn. Well that'll do it.

 

You want him gone or no? I can't remember which side of the fence you're on.

 

I don't necessarily want him gone unless that stuff is true. But his leash has gotten way shorter after this disaster of a season, which reshaped my perception of him as a coach. This team, at the worst, should have been 7-5. We'll be lucky to go 6-6 at this point. It was a total failure for the coaching staff.

 

Take this with a grain of salt. A player have filed a formal complaint that he was choked and verbally abused by Mangino. A few of the other players have stated the same.

 

He's been told to resign by Thursday or he will be publically fired.

I'm good friends with a former KState running back who played under Mangino. He tells me Mangino is the biggest piece of crap in college football. FWIW.

[hawkeyecub]

Mangino may deserve to leave but that's a bad break for KU on the field. I wonder how much more desirable that job has become.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Seems appropriate:

(NSFW language)

 

Much as I hate Kansas, that's an awesome, awesome rant.

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So just to understand, the argument is either that Weis is awful or that Weis is just bad and is still paying for the Willingham years?

 

Awful? No, the argument is whether he would have been fired in 2009 had Ty not screwed the program. Where he fits on the awesome to awful scale of college coaching is a pretty ridiculous argument to have here.

 

Had I known my statement would set off this firestorm, I may not have made it. The fact that Ty's actions had lasting effects didn't seem controversial. How significant and whether Weis would have been successful enough to survive this year without Ty's work seems like an interesting argument. That Ty's work had some negative impact did not.

 

I think to say that Ty's work doesnt have some sort of residual effect at this point is probably incorrect. But he has had 5 years now and seems to be stagnating instead of improving.

 

Maybe so and that's the debate. He's already gone unless every one of the top 5 guys makes it known privately that they don't want the job. ND isn't going to offer to anyone they don't already know will accept. Some of Weis issues are his - he missed on some key defensive recruits early, esp DTs. Lack of upperclass DL is hurting badly now. He didn't build a great staff at the start. He didn't realize how much time you need to spend on fundamentals early. Those are issues you're going to have with a first time HC who hasn't coached in college in over a decade. I don't fault him for not going all out in practices - he could ill afford to lose any of the starters he had.

 

He's worked hard and tried to fix his errors and I commend him for that. He's improved on recruiting. His coaching staff is very solid, though the Brown/Tenuta fit doesn't seem to work, Verducci, Hart, and Alford were great hires. But he's also played most of the year without his #1 RB, his #1 WR (as good as Tate is, and he's great, Floyd is better or was until he got hurt and came back playing tentative) and his QB, who is one of, if not the best in the country, has been hurt since the 3rd game. Would ND have beaten Michigan if Floyd wasn't hurt? Hard to say, but I think it's infinitely more likely that Floyd catches that 3rd down out that Goodman stopped short on. That first down ends the game. Would they have beaten Navy with their #1 RB and a fully healthy Floyd and Clausen, plus the starting RG? Maybe. USC is a much different game with Floyd and a healthy Clausen.

 

Weis has to go. But it's not like every team that loses their #1 RB, #1 WR and plays with a hobbled QB plays their best football every week. I just would have liked to see Weis offense with a full compliment of healthy players for more than just Nevada. They had the potential to be a really special team. I don't think they would have seemed stagnant had the offense had those guys all year. Maybe, but I'd like to have seen it.

[SouthSideRyan]

Lots of rumors that KU is having a formal meeting with players and their families. Mangino may have hit/gotten physical with a player. THe families are making a presentation to a panel. I think he may be gone.

Damn. Well that'll do it.

 

You want him gone or no? I can't remember which side of the fence you're on.

 

I don't necessarily want him gone unless that stuff is true. But his leash has gotten way shorter after this disaster of a season, which reshaped my perception of him as a coach. This team, at the worst, should have been 7-5. We'll be lucky to go 6-6 at this point. It was a total failure for the coaching staff.

 

Take this with a grain of salt. A player have filed a formal complaint that he was choked and verbally abused by Mangino. A few of the other players have stated the same.

 

He's been told to resign by Thursday or he will be publically fired.

I'm good friends with a former KState running back who played under Mangino. He tells me Mangino is the biggest piece of crap in college football. FWIW.

 

literally.

[Derwood]

apparently, it's bad to be a football coach whose last name starts with "Mangin"

[illiniguy]

 

literally.

He's built like a sack of potatoes.

[SouthSideRyan]

apparently, it's bad to be a football coach whose last name starts with "Mangin"

 

Coach mangina's teams are known for being sloppy.

[Coach C]

From Tim Grundhard's twitter.

 

source close to the school says Mangino is gone on Thursday..This sourse said that he was nervous every prac, for 5 yrs i can't believe it

 

 

For those who don't know him, he was a former Center for the Chiefs in the 90's and was a radio person working for WHB 810 in Kansas City.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Man, that's just chaos in Lawrence. I don't think he deserves to be fired at all based on performance, but if the hitting/choking things are true, then there's no way you can keep him around.

[E.J.]

Tate Forcier and Brandon Graham have guaranteed victory this weekend against OSU. It's gonna be hilarious when we get beat by 3 scores.

[snoodmonger]

Man, that's just chaos in Lawrence. I don't think he deserves to be fired at all based on performance, but if the hitting/choking things are true, then there's no way you can keep him around.

 

that about sums it up. I wonder who we could get to fill the position.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Man, that's just chaos in Lawrence. I don't think he deserves to be fired at all based on performance, but if the hitting/choking things are true, then there's no way you can keep him around.

 

that about sums it up. I wonder who we could get to fill the position.

 

I hear good things about Bill Callahan.

[illiniguy]

Man, that's just chaos in Lawrence. I don't think he deserves to be fired at all based on performance, but if the hitting/choking things are true, then there's no way you can keep him around.

 

that about sums it up. I wonder who we could get to fill the position.

 

I hear good things about Bill Callahan.

They should hire Ron Turner. He will turn things around.

[SpongeWorthy]

Man, that's just chaos in Lawrence. I don't think he deserves to be fired at all based on performance, but if the hitting/choking things are true, then there's no way you can keep him around.

 

that about sums it up. I wonder who we could get to fill the position.

 

Kevin Wilson, Gus Malzahn, Charlie Strong?

[NCCubFan]

Man, that's just chaos in Lawrence. I don't think he deserves to be fired at all based on performance, but if the hitting/choking things are true, then there's no way you can keep him around.

 

that about sums it up. I wonder who we could get to fill the position.

 

I hear good things about Bill Callahan.

They should hire Ron Turner. He will turn things around.

Yes, please!

[CubInOK]

Man, that's just chaos in Lawrence. I don't think he deserves to be fired at all based on performance, but if the hitting/choking things are true, then there's no way you can keep him around.

 

that about sums it up. I wonder who we could get to fill the position.

 

Kevin Wilson, Gus Malzahn, Charlie Strong?

There are plenty of OU fans that would be happy if KU took Kevin Wilson or Brent Venables.

[dew1679666265]

Man, that's just chaos in Lawrence. I don't think he deserves to be fired at all based on performance, but if the hitting/choking things are true, then there's no way you can keep him around.

 

that about sums it up. I wonder who we could get to fill the position.

 

Kevin Wilson, Gus Malzahn, Charlie Strong?

 

Charlie Strong is long overdue for a head coaching position.

[Coach C]

Man, that's just chaos in Lawrence. I don't think he deserves to be fired at all based on performance, but if the hitting/choking things are true, then there's no way you can keep him around.

 

Well, he has a history of this kind of run-ins. He was reprimanded several years ago for his behavior at his kid's high school football game when he verbally attacked a referee during the game.

 

And he did the same thing in Manhattan during youth football.

 

And as for a replacement, if this were to happen, my money is on Randy Edsall.

[Guest]

Speaking of Big XII coaching vacancies:

 

Colorado:

Sources close to the situation tell us that Athletic Director Mike Bohn is interviewing former Colorado/UCLA coach and current Miami WR Coach Karl Dorrell this weekend. Our source also confirmed that Oklahoma Defensive Coordinator, Brent Venables, seems to be the best candidate in the search process so far.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[SouthSideRyan]

I didn't even know Hawkins was fired.

[Banedon]

I didn't even know Hawkins was fired.

 

Um...I don't think he has been.