Ramirez Injury Thread

[JonJayCutler]

Sounds to me like they are trying to rush him back pre-ASB. Why not just try and get him completely healed and bring him back after the break in DC?

 

Its risky but this is what happens when a team is desperate for offense. Plus the sooner we find out if Ramirez is going to be able to play adequately or not the more time we'll have before the deadline to swing a trade if needed.

[jersey cubs fan]

Sounds to me like they are trying to rush him back pre-ASB. Why not just try and get him completely healed and bring him back after the break in DC?

 

Its risky but this is what happens when a team is desperate for offense. Plus the sooner we find out if Ramirez is going to be able to play adequately or not the more time we'll have before the deadline to swing a trade if needed.

 

But the sooner you bring him back, the more likely he's not fully healed and he'll struggle. If he starts July 16, that leaves plenty of time to watch him play. Another 6 games isn't going to make or break your decision.

[Keener98]

I really dont see this as rushing him back. When the injury 1st happened it was reported 4-8 weeks out. The injury happened May 8th, so its pretty much exactly in line with the 8 week timeframe.

[jersey cubs fan]

I really dont see this as rushing him back. When the injury 1st happened it was reported 4-8 weeks out. The injury happened May 8th, so its pretty much exactly in line with the 8 week timeframe.

 

As of a few days ago they still had no idea when he'd return. Now all of a sudden it's definitely Monday against Atlanta, a week before the All Star break. Why not give him another week and a half of recovery time and start after the ASB? We know it was going to be a time thing, and that he had to work on getting it as strong as possible. I have to think another week and a half would help.

[dew1679666265]

Sounds to me like they are trying to rush him back pre-ASB. Why not just try and get him completely healed and bring him back after the break in DC?

 

Agreed. I'm of course happy to see him coming back, but given the limited number of games before the ASB he'd be able to play in and the nature of his injury I'd prefer if they just waited until after the break.

 

As long as he is as fully healed as he'll get (sounds like this injury may linger either way), I don't think they're rushing him back. Keener made the point that we're toward the end of the 8-week time frame anyway, so I don't see how they're rushing him.

 

Plus, if he's not being rushed, having a few games to see some live ML pitches and get some ABs might help him to be more productive coming out of the break.

[A-Cal]

I really dont see this as rushing him back. When the injury 1st happened it was reported 4-8 weeks out. The injury happened May 8th, so its pretty much exactly in line with the 8 week timeframe.

 

As of a few days ago they still had no idea when he'd return. Now all of a sudden it's definitely Monday against Atlanta, a week before the All Star break. Why not give him another week and a half of recovery time and start after the ASB? We know it was going to be a time thing, and that he had to work on getting it as strong as possible. I have to think another week and a half would help.

 

does it matter, he is going to be thrown in the fire sooner or later...he is ready...i am sure if he wasn't he would say so...

 

all we have to do now is sit back and watch as our season either takes a turn for the better or drops us off at the deep end of a urine filled pool

[Keener98]

I really dont see this as rushing him back. When the injury 1st happened it was reported 4-8 weeks out. The injury happened May 8th, so its pretty much exactly in line with the 8 week timeframe.

 

As of a few days ago they still had no idea when he'd return. Now all of a sudden it's definitely Monday against Atlanta, a week before the All Star break. Why not give him another week and a half of recovery time and start after the ASB? We know it was going to be a time thing, and that he had to work on getting it as strong as possible. I have to think another week and a half would help.

 

Im sure the week and a half would help, and if I had to guess, the fact that we are playing Stl in a 4 game series next weekend was probably a factor. Nobody except ARam knows how he is feeling, but hes said the other day when he "let it go" he had normal soreness from like you get after lifting for the 1st time in awhile.

[dew1679666265]

I really dont see this as rushing him back. When the injury 1st happened it was reported 4-8 weeks out. The injury happened May 8th, so its pretty much exactly in line with the 8 week timeframe.

 

As of a few days ago they still had no idea when he'd return. Now all of a sudden it's definitely Monday against Atlanta, a week before the All Star break. Why not give him another week and a half of recovery time and start after the ASB? We know it was going to be a time thing, and that he had to work on getting it as strong as possible. I have to think another week and a half would help.

 

The latest news I saw had him returning "by the All-Star break." Then the word came out that he was going to take some BP and then have 4-5 days of minor league rehab. The only other news I saw that countered that was Will Carroll saying he thought an ASB return was optimistic.

[jersey cubs fan]

Sounds to me like they are trying to rush him back pre-ASB. Why not just try and get him completely healed and bring him back after the break in DC?

 

Agreed. I'm of course happy to see him coming back, but given the limited number of games before the ASB he'd be able to play in and the nature of his injury I'd prefer if they just waited until after the break.

 

As long as he is as fully healed as he'll get (sounds like this injury may linger either way), I don't think they're rushing him back. Keener made the point that we're toward the end of the 8-week time frame anyway, so I don't see how they're rushing him.

 

Plus, if he's not being rushed, having a few games to see some live ML pitches and get some ABs might help him to be more productive coming out of the break.

 

The initial 4-8 weeks diagnosis is meaningless. They had no idea until recently when he could seing for real. I don't see how he could be considered as fully healed as he will get. A week and a half has to make a difference. Because of the ASB, I think it makes more sense to wait out the 6 extra games for the 10 extra days of rest, instead of getting him back in there for those 6 games, including against STL, which is probably a huge motivator.

[Soul]

Sounds to me like they are trying to rush him back pre-ASB. Why not just try and get him completely healed and bring him back after the break in DC?

 

My guess is, because they are desperate.

[jersey cubs fan]

Sounds to me like they are trying to rush him back pre-ASB. Why not just try and get him completely healed and bring him back after the break in DC?

 

My guess is, because they are desperate.

 

That's my guess. If they were a game back and hitting okay as a team, I think Ramirez would not be coming back until July 16. I think the primary motivation is the problem with the rest of the team, not that Ramirez is as healthy as he is going to get, or on target with expected return dates or 100% ready. They were talking about "around" the ASB, which is normally a euphemism for after the ASB. Now it's a full week before the break? Ramirez was quoted last week saying something like "I don't know where Lou got that, I have no idea when I'll return". Now suddenly he's definitely coming back Monday? Sounds strange to me. Looks like a rush job.

[dew1679666265]

The initial 4-8 weeks diagnosis is meaningless. They had no idea until recently when he could seing for real. I don't see how he could be considered as fully healed as he will get. A week and a half has to make a difference. Because of the ASB, I think it makes more sense to wait out the 6 extra games for the 10 extra days of rest, instead of getting him back in there for those 6 games, including against STL, which is probably a huge motivator.

 

The 4-8 week diagnosis is all we have to go on. We don't know how Aramis is feeling, we haven't looked at test results, all we can do is consider the news we've received and evaluate from there.

 

Word from the Cubs has been for a while now that Aramis was likely to be back around the ASB. That could mean a little before or a little after, but I haven't seen their stance change much. Maybe they are rushing him back, but I don't see the evidence that they are.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I have almost zero confidence that he comes back and is a major factor for us this year. I'm excited for him to come back because he's my favorite Cub, but I've felt since basically the minute he was put on the DL that this would be a lingering injury. We'll see I guess.

[Little Slide Rooter]

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See ya Monday Aramis. I hope you brought you're life jacket.

[hossdriver]

There are smart people out there with YEARS of experience and empirical data behind them to be able to make these kinds of prognoses. Nothing has been said to suggest that this will be a 'injury'. Ramirez had the same injury earlier in his career, but it certainly hasn't limited his numbers in his years with the Cubs.

 

Doctors base these estimates on ALL KINDS of data and variables from extent of injury, age and health of the patient, etc., etc. 4-8 weeks is actually a WIDE berth. I'm sure someone in the know had seen enough of these types of injuries to have a good timeline. But you're talking about a spread of about a month.

 

Were Rammy coming back 3 or 4 weeks ago, I might argue that the return was a little 'rushed'. Coming back at 'roughly' the original 8 week mark, at home, against the Cardinals seems plausible.

 

Either way, even at 85%, he'll be as good or better than most anyone else in the lineup has been, and certainly better than any of his 3B replacements since he went on the shelf...

[jersey cubs fan]

Ramirez's quotes certainly sound like he's rushing back before he's healed and that more time could have helped.

[dew1679666265]

Ramirez's quotes certainly sound like he's rushing back before he's healed and that more time could have helped.

 

The quotes were regarding him taking BP during the Detroit series that has already happened. It sounds like they were considering rushing him back then - but didn't.

 

I haven't heard him say anything about Monday's date.

[jersey cubs fan]

Ramirez's quotes certainly sound like he's rushing back before he's healed and that more time could have helped.

 

The quotes were regarding him taking BP during the Detroit series that has already happened. It sounds like they were considering rushing him back then - but didn't.

 

I haven't heard him say anything about Monday's date.

 

Ramirez watch: Aramis Ramirez is to return to the lineup Monday against Atlanta but cautioned his dislocated left shoulder is not 100 percent healed.

 

"It's going to be hard the rest of the year because I'm not even close to being where I want to be," Ramirez said. "It's still sore and it's going to be like that -- some days good, some days bad."

[soapy]

but would another week or two change that? not saying it wouldn't, i really don't know.

[jersey cubs fan]

but would another week or two change that? not saying it wouldn't, i really don't know.

 

I'd think it would improve things, probably not fix them entirely, but make them better.

 

The point is he could get 10 more days of rest but only miss 6 games. You'd have to imagine he's going to get a few of those days off anyway, so you are eliminating 10 more days of rehab to maybe get him into 4 or 5 more games. I don't think they make that decision if they are a game back, which says to me that it's the wrong decision.

[soapy]

also fox is playing adequately as a fill-in right now at 3B, which may be a good reason to hold Ramirez back a little longer.

 

i don't have a problem with him coming back monday if there isn't a higher risk for him to play now and/or if another week off really isn't going to make a difference.

[dew1679666265]

Ramirez's quotes certainly sound like he's rushing back before he's healed and that more time could have helped.

 

The quotes were regarding him taking BP during the Detroit series that has already happened. It sounds like they were considering rushing him back then - but didn't.

 

I haven't heard him say anything about Monday's date.

 

Ramirez watch: Aramis Ramirez is to return to the lineup Monday against Atlanta but cautioned his dislocated left shoulder is not 100 percent healed.

 

"It's going to be hard the rest of the year because I'm not even close to being where I want to be," Ramirez said. "It's still sore and it's going to be like that -- some days good, some days bad."

 

Ah, I hadn't seen that quote before. Thanks.

 

But still, that quote doesn't say any more than he's very sore. From all the reports I've heard, no matter when he comes back that shoulder is going to bother him. It's a lingering injury, nothing like a broken bone that once it's healed it's fine.

[CubColtPacer]

but would another week or two change that? not saying it wouldn't, i really don't know.

 

I'd think it would improve things, probably not fix them entirely, but make them better.

 

The point is he could get 10 more days of rest but only miss 6 games. You'd have to imagine he's going to get a few of those days off anyway, so you are eliminating 10 more days of rehab to maybe get him into 4 or 5 more games. I don't think they make that decision if they are a game back, which says to me that it's the wrong decision.

 

That quote doesn't tell you anything though. Ramirez could get another 2 months of rest and the shoulder would still be sore. Rest and rehab will only take the shoulder so far, and we have no idea if he has reached the point where it's as good as it's going to get. The only clue that we have is that he's been able to consistently practice without any setbacks, and that is a clue that it already is at that point.

 

The likelihood is that 10 more days of rest would do absolutely nothing for Ramirez. The only thing that would probably help him now is surgery, and he's not going to get that until after the year.

[jersey cubs fan]

Right, but the more time he has, the more rehab he can do, the more strength he can build.

 

 

If the Cubs were over .500, not hitting like a girls softball team, and not about to face the Cardinals, I do not think he would be back until after the ASB. I think this decision is being made based on things other than what is best for the return of Aramis Ramirez.

[jersey cubs fan]

The likelihood is that 10 more days of rest would do absolutely nothing for Ramirez. The only thing that would probably help him now is surgery, and he's not going to get that until after the year.

 

That is not at all the likelihood. 10 more days is much more likely to help than not help. It's 10 more days, but only 6 more games. They are going to cut short potential rehab time by a week and a half just to get him in 4 or 5 more games.