Lous a freaking idiot Part 2 2009 season

[17 Seconds]

You know what's annoying with Lou?

 

"I don't know how to fix it. I don't have the answers"

 

Lou you are the manager of the team, you have to have answers. Or if you don't, at least BS us and tell us you do. Saying that you don't know how to make the Cubs play better is admitting that you don't know how to do your job. It makes him look incompetent and makes fans wonder who is leading this sinking ship.

 

Imagine if you were a sales manager at a company, where your job is to manage a sales team and help them sell a product, and your manager asks you why your branch's sales are so low and you say "I don't know, I don't have the answers" How long would you work there?

 

that's kind of silly. i'm ot a lou fan at all, but let's be honest. the manager can only control so much. lou is certainly making things worse, but ultimately it's up to the hitters to hit. he can do everything to help them, but if they suck, they suck. right now there isn't really anything he can do to get these guys hitting. it's up to the players.

 

Lou is the mouthpiece for the team. When he sounds confused and perplexed it doesn't give fans (and possibly management and/or players) confidence that he's the right guy to lead the team. Now, will giving us some BS answer about how he is working with the players everyday, etc etc make the team play better? No probably not...its a rather trivial annoyance. But its something that definitely bothers me about his managing style.

 

so you're upset that he's being honest?

 

In a way yes. If the leader of your team doesn't know what to do and doesn't seem to know if our problems will be fixed, how does that reflect on the team, who is obviously pressing? Now obviously we have no idea what goes on beyond closed doors, and I'm sure Lou isn't sitting there telling his players he has no confidence in them, but they definitely do hear what Lou says to the media too.

 

i dunno, it's at the point where there's nothing lou can say. he's been saying "they have to start htiting, and i bleieve they will" for weeks now.

[dew1679666265]

In a way yes. If the leader of your team doesn't know what to do and doesn't seem to know if our problems will be fixed, how does that reflect on the team, who is obviously pressing? Now obviously we have no idea what goes on beyond closed doors, and I'm sure Lou isn't sitting there telling his players he has no confidence in them, but they definitely do hear what Lou says to the media too.

 

The problem Lou would face if he came out and lied to the fans and media that he knew how to fix the problem is this - if/when the Cubs hitters don't start hitting, he looks even worse. By not being able to fix the problem and constantly telling the fans and media that everything's fine and he knows exactly how to fix it, he'd look awful and the fans/media would really start questioning why he's not fixing it since he keeps repeating that he can.

 

Hopefully that made sense.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If you heard Lous post game, which I only heard clips of on the score, Ive never heard Lou, or any manager for that matter sound so defeated. He seriously sounds like hes given up, and wants no more part of this. Too bad you cant place a manager on the bereavement list.

[NCCubFan]

Maybe Lou needs to get himself suspended and get a break for a few days, like in 2007. Coincidence or not, that seems to be when the tide turned in 2007. Maybe history can repeat itself.

[RedFlash]

Maybe Lou needs to get himself suspended and get a break for a few days, like in 2007. Coincidence or not, that seems to be when the tide turned in 2007. Maybe history can repeat itself.

 

Absolutely. Even if the call was correct, I would like to see Lou erupt and get himself suspended if for nothing else to allow himself a chance to recharge the batteries, so to speak. That, or have Z punch out Hill and get Koyie traded for Blanco or something.

[Banedon]

I didn't want to start a thread for this, so I'll post it here. Might be my favorite Lou quote ever....

 

"What do I need to show fire for?" Piniella said. "I'm not a dragon."

[soapy]

I didn't want to start a thread for this, so I'll post it here. Might be my favorite Lou quote ever....

 

"What do I need to show fire for?" Piniella said. "I'm not a dragon."

 

yeah, that was a good one.

 

i don't really agree with the whole "Lou doesn't care" angle. he doesn't look/act like he doesn't care to me. he looks/acts like a guy who is really just out of ideas. i have a lot of issues with him, but there's really only so much he can do. getting kicked out simply to get kicked out or "fire up your team" is stupid and pointless. it's not like Bradley, Soriano, etc. will start hitting because the manager has a melt down on the field one day.

[jersey cubs fan]

I didn't want to start a thread for this, so I'll post it here. Might be my favorite Lou quote ever....

 

"What do I need to show fire for?" Piniella said. "I'm not a dragon."

 

yeah, that was a good one.

 

i don't really agree with the whole "Lou doesn't care" angle. he doesn't look/act like he doesn't care to me. he looks/acts like a guy who is really just out of ideas. i have a lot of issues with him, but there's really only so much he can do. getting kicked out simply to get kicked out or "fire up your team" is stupid and pointless. it's not like Bradley, Soriano, etc. will start hitting because the manager has a melt down on the field one day.

 

I agree that sort of thing is stupid, but it is also Lou's MO. He's been that way throughout his managerial career including early in his Cubs tenure. The fact that he's "mellowed" tells me his passion just isn't there. Whether that matters is another debate.

[Fred Hornkohl]

I didn't want to start a thread for this, so I'll post it here. Might be my favorite Lou quote ever....

 

"What do I need to show fire for?" Piniella said. "I'm not a dragon."

 

yeah, that was a good one.

 

i don't really agree with the whole "Lou doesn't care" angle. he doesn't look/act like he doesn't care to me. he looks/acts like a guy who is really just out of ideas. i have a lot of issues with him, but there's really only so much he can do. getting kicked out simply to get kicked out or "fire up your team" is stupid and pointless. it's not like Bradley, Soriano, etc. will start hitting because the manager has a melt down on the field one day.

 

I agree that sort of thing is stupid, but it is also Lou's MO. He's been that way throughout his managerial career including early in his Cubs tenure. The fact that he's "mellowed" tells me his passion just isn't there. Whether that matters is another debate.

 

When was the last game that was won by passion ???? Passion doesn't win baseball games. Good hitting and good pitching wins baseball games. Take all that passion and store it at body temperature and out of direct sunlight.

[jersey cubs fan]

I agree that sort of thing is stupid, but it is also Lou's MO. He's been that way throughout his managerial career including early in his Cubs tenure. The fact that he's "mellowed" tells me his passion just isn't there. Whether that matters is another debate.

 

When was the last game that was won by passion ???? Passion doesn't win baseball games. Good hitting and good pitching wins baseball games. Take all that passion and store it at body temperature and out of direct sunlight.

 

I don't think passion wins, but I am just saying that the fact that Lou is a screamer who isn't screaming could very easily indicate his passion is declining. I never said I liked his ranting and raving, but that is who he is, or maybe, who he was.

[Fred Hornkohl]

I agree that sort of thing is stupid, but it is also Lou's MO. He's been that way throughout his managerial career including early in his Cubs tenure. The fact that he's "mellowed" tells me his passion just isn't there. Whether that matters is another debate.

 

When was the last game that was won by passion ???? Passion doesn't win baseball games. Good hitting and good pitching wins baseball games. Take all that passion and store it at body temperature and out of direct sunlight.

 

I don't think passion wins, but I am just saying that the fact that Lou is a screamer who isn't screaming could very easily indicate his passion is declining. I never said I liked his ranting and raving, but that is who he is, or maybe, who he was.

 

Yeah, this team depresses me, too.

[dew1679666265]

I agree that sort of thing is stupid, but it is also Lou's MO. He's been that way throughout his managerial career including early in his Cubs tenure. The fact that he's "mellowed" tells me his passion just isn't there. Whether that matters is another debate.

 

When was the last game that was won by passion ???? Passion doesn't win baseball games. Good hitting and good pitching wins baseball games. Take all that passion and store it at body temperature and out of direct sunlight.

 

I don't think passion wins, but I am just saying that the fact that Lou is a screamer who isn't screaming could very easily indicate his passion is declining. I never said I liked his ranting and raving, but that is who he is, or maybe, who he was.

 

He's talked ever since his time with Fox that he planned to be much cooler and calmer. There are plenty of times while with the Cubs that he would have blown up in the past, but has stayed under control. From his own words it's not a lack of passion, it's an intentional calming down.

[jersey cubs fan]

He's talked ever since his time with Fox that he planned to be much cooler and calmer. There are plenty of times while with the Cubs that he would have blown up in the past, but has stayed under control. From his own words it's not a lack of passion, it's an intentional calming down.

 

He's talked about it, but he hasn't done it prior to this year. He's gotten riled up before this year.

[javy knows my name]

I didn't want to start a thread for this, so I'll post it here. Might be my favorite Lou quote ever....

 

"What do I need to show fire for?" Piniella said. "I'm not a dragon."

 

Our manager is a silly old man

[CubColtPacer]

He's talked ever since his time with Fox that he planned to be much cooler and calmer. There are plenty of times while with the Cubs that he would have blown up in the past, but has stayed under control. From his own words it's not a lack of passion, it's an intentional calming down.

 

He's talked about it, but he hasn't done it prior to this year. He's gotten riled up before this year.

 

Not to umpires though (which is where people are clamoring most for him to show passion). The only time he really did was that game in 2007, and he admitted afterward that he planned to blow up beforehand, which is quite a different thing from getting riled up.

 

He's gotten riled up at relievers before this year, but he also has done so this year (Cotts for example). I don't see a big change in Lou from past years to this year.

[dew1679666265]

He's talked ever since his time with Fox that he planned to be much cooler and calmer. There are plenty of times while with the Cubs that he would have blown up in the past, but has stayed under control. From his own words it's not a lack of passion, it's an intentional calming down.

 

He's talked about it, but he hasn't done it prior to this year. He's gotten riled up before this year.

 

Not to umpires though (which is where people are clamoring most for him to show passion). The only time he really did was that game in 2007, and he admitted afterward that he planned to blow up beforehand, which is quite a different thing from getting riled up.

 

He's gotten riled up at relievers before this year, but he also has done so this year (Cotts for example). I don't see a big change in Lou from past years to this year.

 

And his one blow up at an umpire was pretty gentle by Lou's standards (especially since it was pre-determined). I just don't see where everybody gets that he's disinterested or has lost his passion. I don't see the evidence.

[Little Slide Rooter]

When is it time for Lou to go, be it firing or let him resign? Yeah, he "led" us to 2 consecutive post season appearences for the first time in a century, but that also may have had to do with having the best team weve had in a while. That being said, both post season appearences led to epic fails, and now this. Im not sayin Lou doesnt care any more, because Im sure its eating him up inside, but hes run out of answers, and thats worse. Every year, you see managers fired from teams that if John McGraw were to rise from the grave and manage he couldnt do anything with, but Lou has a very expensive, star studded team here, and they're tanking big time. When is enough enough?

[dew1679666265]

When is it time for Lou to go, be it firing or let him resign? Yeah, he "led" us to 2 consecutive post season appearences for the first time in a century, but that also may have had to do with having the best team weve had in a while. That being said, both post season appearences led to epic fails, and now this. Im not sayin Lou doesnt care any more, because Im sure its eating him up inside, but hes run out of answers, and thats worse. Every year, you see managers fired from teams that if John McGraw were to rise from the grave and manage he couldnt do anything with, but Lou has a very expensive, star studded team here, and they're tanking big time. When is enough enough?

 

Unless this team tanks, I don't think he's forced out after this year. Despite the playoff collapses he's still led us to more than 170 wins the last two years. And he's also a big reason the team has been this good, bringing in a very good coaching staff and a successful philosophy (overall).

 

I think it'd take a couple bad seasons for management to consider letting Lou go and it's likely he'll be gone willfully if that happens.

[TruffleShuffle]

hey you senile old man, when your starting pitcher hasn't been that effective (6 hits, 4 walks in 6 innings) and has thrown 105 pitches, you're down a run and the starting pitcher is due to lead off the next inning, that would probably be a great time to lift him for a pinch hitter.

[17 Seconds]

unbelievable lou. wtf.

 

and now after back to back smoked balls he leaves dempster in with 118 itches to face chipper. oh and now the second run scores. good thing we gave up one of out last 9 outs in a one run game so we could get dempster back out there

 

inexcusable

Edited June 23, 2009 by 17 Seconds

[imb]

i can't believe this [expletive] just happened

 

seriously, what is he thinking

[SouthSideRyan]

Seriously, how much did Bob Brenly hate that move.

[Schwarber Fan]

He seems to only do this with Dempster for some reason. This is at least the third time this season, from what I can remember when Dempster was clearly taxed and was trailing in the game and Lou left him in, each time backfiring. Lou's losing it fast.

[TruffleShuffle]

He seems to only do this with Dempster for some reason. This is at least the third time this season, from what I can remember when Dempster was clearly taxed and was trailing in the game and Lou left him in, each time backfiring. Lou's losing it fast.

 

he definitely does it with zambrano too.

[Cubbie Swagger]

Now he brings in Hart in a close game when he hasn't pitched in the majors in quite awhile...