Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

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By the way, this is the article from that same mlb.com guy

 

In this, he says it qouldn't happen until the sale is FINAL, meaning not until right around opening day.... if then

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090126&content_id=3773980&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc&partnerId=rss_chc

[cubswin2009]

If we get Peavy I think it will be more closer to the trade deadline. I doubt we make a trade right before opening day.

[Southpaw191679666239]

Wake me up for the presser... until then... I will just count down the days until pitchers and catchers. :sleep:

[Cubswin11]

By the way, this is the article from that same mlb.com guy

 

In this, he says it qouldn't happen until the sale is FINAL, meaning not until right around opening day.... if then

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090126&content_id=3773980&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc&partnerId=rss_chc

You gotta think this guy has somewhat reliable sources, I don't think MLB.com would just let him post his opinion of the situation as fact.

[shnsajax]

No need to make Peavy commitment at this point

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/hayes/1397874,hayes-ricketts-cubs-012609.article

It’s always easier to spend someone else’s money, especially in these tough times. That’s what is amusing about sentiment that Tom Ricketts, the leading bidder to buy the Cubs, should agree to swallow Jake Peavy’s $63 million dollar contract to prove he’s committed to winning.

 

Isn’t shelling out $900 million — $200 million more than the previous record price for a baseball franchise — during a national economic meltdown commitment enough, especially when it will take hundreds of millions more to refurbish crumbling Wrigley Field?

 

The Cubs need another starting pitcher because the fifth spot in the rotation remains in flux and because Rich Harden’s right arm is held together with Silly String. The infatuation with Peavy, however, has become so great that some appear willing to deem the Cubs’ offseason a failure if the 2007 NL Cy Young winner isn’t acquired before pitchers and catchers report to spring training.

 

Even without Peavy, the Cubs have the best rotation in the NL Central and among the best in the National League heading into Cactus League play. Pitchers such as Braden Looper, Randy Wolf and Jon Garland offer more affordable alternatives without eliminating the possibility of acquiring Peavy at a later date if an extra All-Star caliber arm is needed.

 

What does the amount he paid have to do with his commitment to winning?

 

Agreed. It just shows how ridiculous this article is. Hendry has basically painted the new owner into a corner on Peavy. Everybody in Chicago believes that the Cubs can get Peavy and all that Hendry is waiting for is the approval of the new owner. If Ricketts doesn't give the approval, he will get bashed endlessly for being a cheapskate, and the beginning of his tenure as the new owner will start off on the wrong foot. If he gives the green light to get Peavy, he starts off as a hero, serious about winning. Masterstroke on Hendry's part.

 

I dont think any of this is Hendry's fault. He never went to the media the first time around, that was Tower's. He still isn't going to the media now. He pretty much did everything he was supposed to do as a GM. It would look much worse if he never made an effort for Peavy at all.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If we get Peavy I think it will be more closer to the trade deadline. I doubt we make a trade right before opening day.

 

Unless, of course July rolls around and Garrett Olsons tearing up the league.

[CUBZ99]

No need to make Peavy commitment at this point

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/hayes/1397874,hayes-ricketts-cubs-012609.article

It’s always easier to spend someone else’s money, especially in these tough times. That’s what is amusing about sentiment that Tom Ricketts, the leading bidder to buy the Cubs, should agree to swallow Jake Peavy’s $63 million dollar contract to prove he’s committed to winning.

 

Isn’t shelling out $900 million — $200 million more than the previous record price for a baseball franchise — during a national economic meltdown commitment enough, especially when it will take hundreds of millions more to refurbish crumbling Wrigley Field?

 

The Cubs need another starting pitcher because the fifth spot in the rotation remains in flux and because Rich Harden’s right arm is held together with Silly String. The infatuation with Peavy, however, has become so great that some appear willing to deem the Cubs’ offseason a failure if the 2007 NL Cy Young winner isn’t acquired before pitchers and catchers report to spring training.

 

Even without Peavy, the Cubs have the best rotation in the NL Central and among the best in the National League heading into Cactus League play. Pitchers such as Braden Looper, Randy Wolf and Jon Garland offer more affordable alternatives without eliminating the possibility of acquiring Peavy at a later date if an extra All-Star caliber arm is needed.

 

What does the amount he paid have to do with his commitment to winning?

 

Agreed. It just shows how ridiculous this article is. Hendry has basically painted the new owner into a corner on Peavy. Everybody in Chicago believes that the Cubs can get Peavy and all that Hendry is waiting for is the approval of the new owner. If Ricketts doesn't give the approval, he will get bashed endlessly for being a cheapskate, and the beginning of his tenure as the new owner will start off on the wrong foot. If he gives the green light to get Peavy, he starts off as a hero, serious about winning. Masterstroke on Hendry's part.

 

I dont think any of this is Hendry's fault. He never went to the media the first time around, that was Tower's. He still isn't going to the media now. He pretty much did everything he was supposed to do as a GM. It would look much worse if he never made an effort for Peavy at all.

 

I'm not assigning any blame on Hendry. Just saying, he has played this beautifully. If this deal doesn't get done it won't be any fault of his own.

[Cubswin11]

No need to make Peavy commitment at this point

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/hayes/1397874,hayes-ricketts-cubs-012609.article

It’s always easier to spend someone else’s money, especially in these tough times. That’s what is amusing about sentiment that Tom Ricketts, the leading bidder to buy the Cubs, should agree to swallow Jake Peavy’s $63 million dollar contract to prove he’s committed to winning.

 

Isn’t shelling out $900 million — $200 million more than the previous record price for a baseball franchise — during a national economic meltdown commitment enough, especially when it will take hundreds of millions more to refurbish crumbling Wrigley Field?

 

The Cubs need another starting pitcher because the fifth spot in the rotation remains in flux and because Rich Harden’s right arm is held together with Silly String. The infatuation with Peavy, however, has become so great that some appear willing to deem the Cubs’ offseason a failure if the 2007 NL Cy Young winner isn’t acquired before pitchers and catchers report to spring training.

 

Even without Peavy, the Cubs have the best rotation in the NL Central and among the best in the National League heading into Cactus League play. Pitchers such as Braden Looper, Randy Wolf and Jon Garland offer more affordable alternatives without eliminating the possibility of acquiring Peavy at a later date if an extra All-Star caliber arm is needed.

 

What does the amount he paid have to do with his commitment to winning?

 

Agreed. It just shows how ridiculous this article is. Hendry has basically painted the new owner into a corner on Peavy. Everybody in Chicago believes that the Cubs can get Peavy and all that Hendry is waiting for is the approval of the new owner. If Ricketts doesn't give the approval, he will get bashed endlessly for being a cheapskate, and the beginning of his tenure as the new owner will start off on the wrong foot. If he gives the green light to get Peavy, he starts off as a hero, serious about winning. Masterstroke on Hendry's part.

 

I dont think any of this is Hendry's fault. He never went to the media the first time around, that was Tower's. He still isn't going to the media now. He pretty much did everything he was supposed to do as a GM. It would look much worse if he never made an effort for Peavy at all.

 

I'm not assigning any blame on Hendry. Just saying, he has played this beautifully. If this deal doesn't get done it won't be any fault of his own.

I agree how many "deadlines" did the Padres set to deal Peavy by? 273? First it was by the GM meetings, then winter meetings, then by new years, then it was ST, then they were going to keep him, then they would revisit talks at the deadline, then the Padres were getting new ownership and a Peavy deal would have to bring in significant pieces or something like that, then the Padres were going to talk to teams and work out a deal without consulting Peavy, then it was some arbitrary date in January the 15th? that has come and gone, and they are still clearly negotiating/lining things up for a trade. Hendry hasn't given into the fan/media/Padres FO pressure and deadlines and hasn't played into the Padres hands one bit. He has acquired some players the Padres had interest in when they were discussing a 3/4 team deal and now he can go to Towers and say hey I got some of the players we discussed, here is a list of guys that we can trade to you, pick x amount and lets talk.

[somechick]

Depodesta was on MLB XM on my way home from work tonight. He basically said that not only do they have no plans to trade Peavy now, they never had any intent to shop him--they were just listening to offers in the off chance that they might catch a windfall that will make the team better. He completely downplayed any budget concerns and actually implied they feel they are going to be competitive this year. So something is blowing a whole lot of smoke up someone's behind.

 

 

Mind you, this interview with "Hacksaw" (whatever his real name is...I dont pay attention because he annoys me) was approx 5 minutes after Hack announced that the Padres will once again be approaching the Cubs to discuss Peavy for Marshall, Hart, Olsen, and Vitters.

[17 Seconds]

Depodesta was on MLB XM on my way home from work tonight. He basically said that not only do they have no plans to trade Peavy now, they never had any intent to shop him--they were just listening to offers in the off chance that they might catch a windfall that will make the team better. He completely downplayed any budget concerns and actually implied they feel they are going to be competitive this year. So something is blowing a whole lot of smoke up someone's behind.

 

Sounds to me like Depodesta is the one blowing smoke...up the behind of everyone who listened to the interview.

 

If that were true, then how does he explain the "the train has left the station" quotes from Towers earlier in the season. Also, why were they so close to trades with multiple teams?

[Cubswin11]

Of course DePodesta is going to say that he needs to save face with the fans and not make it sound like they are just pawning off Peavy to whatever team they get an offer from. By saying they would only trade him for "significant" pieces it makes it sound like any trade that does go down the Padres are making a solid trade and get back a significant enough package to show the fanbase they got something decent.

[cubsfan26]

DePodesta has been making these type of comments since day one. Towers, Alderson and just about every Padres insider(even Peavy agent) have said the oppsite. DePodesta likes to pretend like his team holds all the cards. He thinks that when a team believes you wanna keep a player it will only drive up his price. Which is smart, but pointless most of the time. Plus GM's also don't like to be lied to or BS'ed either, thats why Hendry is so well respected by some GM's. Most of the time, a smart GM's know if a team wants or is willing to trade a player or not, and how much they give up depends on how much they want that player. So that talk stuff is often cheap, and probably rarely raises players value. In this situation it's really pointless since Towers/Alderson both said they would like to trade Peavy, but making a deal had to make sense for them. DePodesta is a front-office assistant with the Padres, so I would pay very little attention to what he says. When he does these little interviews, I think he likes to pretend he's a GM again.

[davearm2]

Agreed. It just shows how ridiculous this article is. Hendry has basically painted the new owner into a corner on Peavy. Everybody in Chicago believes that the Cubs can get Peavy and all that Hendry is waiting for is the approval of the new owner. If Ricketts doesn't give the approval, he will get bashed endlessly for being a cheapskate, and the beginning of his tenure as the new owner will start off on the wrong foot. If he gives the green light to get Peavy, he starts off as a hero, serious about winning. Masterstroke on Hendry's part.

Not that I put a lot of stock in your theory here, but nevertheless it seems to me that putting the screws to the new boss wouldn't be the best way to make a positive first impression.

[RedFlash]

Agreed. It just shows how ridiculous this article is. Hendry has basically painted the new owner into a corner on Peavy. Everybody in Chicago believes that the Cubs can get Peavy and all that Hendry is waiting for is the approval of the new owner. If Ricketts doesn't give the approval, he will get bashed endlessly for being a cheapskate, and the beginning of his tenure as the new owner will start off on the wrong foot. If he gives the green light to get Peavy, he starts off as a hero, serious about winning. Masterstroke on Hendry's part.

Not that I put a lot of stock in your theory here, but nevertheless it seems to me that putting the screws to the new boss wouldn't be the best way to make a positive first impression.

 

I agree dave. I think making those trades (ie Marquis/DeRosa, and signing Bradley) served a couple of tasks. One: It sets the Cubs up that if/when Ricketts gives Hendry the order and if/when Towers is more then satisfied with the package a deal would get done. Two: it also sets up the Cubs with decent trading chips (not great, but Stevens and Olson still are young enough and to have some trade value). If the Peavy trade doesn't get done, the Cubs still have some good young players (obviously they are mostly B/C prospects) to make another trade at some point this yr.

 

These moves weren't made to set up Ricketts (in this case) to be either the hero or the villian, they were made with intentions of improving the Cubs.

[cubbinalltheway]

Where has it been written that Hendry has no interest in Sheets?

 

How about the fact that NOTHING has been written period about Hendry's interests in Sheets? You have not heard of the Cubs been connected to Sheets other then this board. So maybe that's a hint as to the interest level that Hendry has for Sheets?

not really. hendry always keeps his cards close. the lack of reports about any interest, or lack thereof, doesn't mean anything at all.

[RedIvyCub]

By the way, this is the article from that same mlb.com guy

 

In this, he says it qouldn't happen until the sale is FINAL, meaning not until right around opening day.... if then

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090126&content_id=3773980&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc&partnerId=rss_chc

You gotta think this guy has somewhat reliable sources, I don't think MLB.com would just let him post his opinion of the situation as fact.

 

Barry M. Bloom is a national reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

[BigbadB]

I still believe the trade will happen. But, I am starting to believe it will be closer to opening day. I have a whole bunch of my own theories that make a little bit of sense about why this is taking so long.

 

1. Moorad did purchase the team, but he isn't actually going to assume control of the team for 4 years. My theory to this is that Moorad was brought in now because Moores needed shut up money for his wife. She is getting half of his worth when the divorce becomes final. Moorads money essentially buys out her half and Moores gets to keep his half for the next 4 years. This could also explain why the sale went so smoothly and quickly.

 

2. Season ticket sales. When Peavy gets traded, season ticket sales will drop dramatically. The Hoffman and Greene deals alone don't sound like fire sale in the eyes of Padres fans. Hoffman wasn't nearly as loved as he has been in the past. He's blown a lot of saves over the last few years. Greene wasn't loved so much anymore, either. Peavy and Adrian Gonzalez are the only two guys who Padres fans view as top notch talent. Keeping them gives them a bit of hope. The earlier in the offseason Peavy gets traded, the harder the hit will be to season ticket sales.

 

3. Moores set an '09 budget of 40m, and Towers had only one objective this offseason, and that was to meet that requirement. I don't think either Towers or Alderson, or even Moores, for that matter, really want to trade Peavy. It's just that they are forced to do so to meet the budget requirement on team payroll.

 

4. I've been convinced that a deal was in place even as far back as December. I'm sure it wasn't set in stone, but San Diego is forced to satisfy Peavy in where he is willing to be traded, and Chicago is willing to trade the value San Diego wants to make it happen.

 

5. Everything Hendry has done this offseason appears as though he had Peavy in mind. It's just too coincidental that all these moves were made in hopes that he can renew trade talks with San Diego. I just can't imagine any GM making all these moves unless he already had some sort of agreement with the opposing GM to make a trade for Peavy. It would be a horrible way to do your job.

[UMFan83]

I still think it's extremely strange that we traded DeRosa, and for the players we traded him for. Now we are apparently shopping for a utility IF with some of the supposed "9 million" we have left to spend.

[BigbadB]

I still think it's extremely strange that we traded DeRosa, and for the players we traded him for. Now we are apparently shopping for a utility IF with some of the supposed "9 million" we have left to spend.

 

I'm still confused by that one, as well. You have an everyday dependable guy who can play just about any position, and you essentially replace him with a more expensive RF who you know you can count on for at least 20 games in the outfield.

 

I understand that DeRosa won't be as good as he was last year. However, he was a nice insurance policy in the event Bradley is in the doctor's office more often than he is on the field.

 

Anything close to what DeRosa did last year would have made him a Type A that someone would have given up the picks to sign.

 

That trade is just.......weird.

[jersey cubs fan]

2. Season ticket sales. When Peavy gets traded, season ticket sales will drop dramatically. The Hoffman and Greene deals alone don't sound like fire sale in the eyes of Padres fans. Hoffman wasn't nearly as loved as he has been in the past. He's blown a lot of saves over the last few years. Greene wasn't loved so much anymore, either. Peavy and Adrian Gonzalez are the only two guys who Padres fans view as top notch talent. Keeping them gives them a bit of hope. The earlier in the offseason Peavy gets traded, the harder the hit will be to season ticket sales.

 

How many people could possibly be deciding on whether or not they renew/buy seasons tickets based on whether or not Peavy returns? Considering how much talk there has been of a Peavy trade, wouldn't the people most likely to ditch if Peavy is gone have already decided not to buy?

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2. Season ticket sales. When Peavy gets traded, season ticket sales will drop dramatically. The Hoffman and Greene deals alone don't sound like fire sale in the eyes of Padres fans. Hoffman wasn't nearly as loved as he has been in the past. He's blown a lot of saves over the last few years. Greene wasn't loved so much anymore, either. Peavy and Adrian Gonzalez are the only two guys who Padres fans view as top notch talent. Keeping them gives them a bit of hope. The earlier in the offseason Peavy gets traded, the harder the hit will be to season ticket sales.

 

How many people could possibly be deciding on whether or not they renew/buy seasons tickets based on whether or not Peavy returns? Considering how much talk there has been of a Peavy trade, wouldn't the people most likely to ditch if Peavy is gone have already decided not to buy?

 

I hope every season ticket holder and everyone in front of me in line is refusing to buy/renew if we don't trade for Peavy.

[wvcbxl]

BBB' reasoning makes sense to me, but as far as the Peavy trade is concerned: I'll believe it when it happens.

[jersey cubs fan]

2. Season ticket sales. When Peavy gets traded, season ticket sales will drop dramatically. The Hoffman and Greene deals alone don't sound like fire sale in the eyes of Padres fans. Hoffman wasn't nearly as loved as he has been in the past. He's blown a lot of saves over the last few years. Greene wasn't loved so much anymore, either. Peavy and Adrian Gonzalez are the only two guys who Padres fans view as top notch talent. Keeping them gives them a bit of hope. The earlier in the offseason Peavy gets traded, the harder the hit will be to season ticket sales.

 

How many people could possibly be deciding on whether or not they renew/buy seasons tickets based on whether or not Peavy returns? Considering how much talk there has been of a Peavy trade, wouldn't the people most likely to ditch if Peavy is gone have already decided not to buy?

 

I hope every season ticket holder and everyone in front of me in line is refusing to buy/renew if we don't trade for Peavy.

 

Well, he was talking about Padres fans, who are much more likely to be a fickle crew without a long line behind them to pick up the extra tickets.

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2. Season ticket sales. When Peavy gets traded, season ticket sales will drop dramatically. The Hoffman and Greene deals alone don't sound like fire sale in the eyes of Padres fans. Hoffman wasn't nearly as loved as he has been in the past. He's blown a lot of saves over the last few years. Greene wasn't loved so much anymore, either. Peavy and Adrian Gonzalez are the only two guys who Padres fans view as top notch talent. Keeping them gives them a bit of hope. The earlier in the offseason Peavy gets traded, the harder the hit will be to season ticket sales.

 

How many people could possibly be deciding on whether or not they renew/buy seasons tickets based on whether or not Peavy returns? Considering how much talk there has been of a Peavy trade, wouldn't the people most likely to ditch if Peavy is gone have already decided not to buy?

 

I hope every season ticket holder and everyone in front of me in line is refusing to buy/renew if we don't trade for Peavy.

 

Well, he was talking about Padres fans, who are much more likely to be a fickle crew without a long line behind them to pick up the extra tickets.

 

Yeah, I just wanted to take the opportunity to make an off-hand comment about my lack of movement in the season ticket line.

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Sounds like this will indeed drag out until opening day... at the soonest

 

from Bruce in the comments section of his blog-

 

Later rather than sooner

Ricketts has a long way to go, and therefore, so does any potential Peavy deal. First, Ricketts, must agree on a deal with Sam Zell. I'm sure Zell will try to squeeze Ricketts for more dough. That's why the other two groups have been told to "stand down."

 

Second, the bankruptcy court must approve. Finally, MLB must approve. That will be the easiest part, and it probably won't happen until close to Opening Day. That's probably the best chance of getting anything done "early" because no one is in position now to OK any extra expenditures.

 

Let's not forget about the Padres. They're the other part of this equation. Alderson is probably right in saying that the "easiest" shot at getting something done was at the winter meetings.

 

We're al looking at this from afar, so we don't know what's truly going on. So my answer to you would be that this is a later-rather-than-sooner deal.

 

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