Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[Guest]

You're writing off Peavy and Harden's playoff performances ever because of 21 combined playoff innings from them?

[anabiono]

no no no no no no

 

but it is a possibility that they won't be big game pitchers

 

harden didn't look good in game 3 and peavy didn't look good in his last big game with colorado for the last playoff spot in 2007

 

a lot of the cubs have looked horrible as well

 

i am just saying that you can't jump down my throat for correlating the offense with pitching

 

i don't believe the trend will continue, but it has been discussed on here before

[17 Seconds]

Based on everything we know, it seems like the RF situation well decide how hard Hendry ends up going after Peavy. I bet his first choice would be to spend the remaining money he has to spend on a RF and then bow out of the Peavy race, with Peavy being a second option if there aren't any RF that are a big enough upgrade to warrant spending money/players on.

 

I'm kind of hoping we don't get a big upgrade in right, because I think he'd then go hard after Peavy. I'd be fine with Font at second full time and DeRosa in right if it meant a rotation of Peavy/Harden/Zambrano/Dempster. If Harden can give us like 20 starts and Dempster can at least be decent to good, that rotation would be insane... especially if we were able to keep Marshall.

 

guys...go look at peavy's postseason stats...they are not good...neither are harden's

 

how many of you are really that ok with derosa being our everyday right fielder?

 

i think it is much wiser to try and get someone to bat leadoff and fill the RF spot

 

Not that it's the only thing wrong with that post, but you should probably know you lose some credibility when you talk about needing a leadoff hitter.... especially when the team in question just scored the most runs in the league.

 

leadoff still isn't a position

[17 Seconds]

no no no no no no

 

but it is a possibility that they won't be big game pitchers

 

harden didn't look good in game 3 and peavy didn't look good in his last big game with colorado for the last playoff spot in 2007

 

a lot of the cubs have looked horrible as well

 

i am just saying that you can't jump down my throat for correlating the offense with pitching

 

i don't believe the trend will continue, but it has been discussed on here before

 

In game 3 Harden pitched pretty much the way he had been pitching during the end of the regular season. He clearly wasn't completely healthy

[anabiono]

Based on everything we know, it seems like the RF situation well decide how hard Hendry ends up going after Peavy. I bet his first choice would be to spend the remaining money he has to spend on a RF and then bow out of the Peavy race, with Peavy being a second option if there aren't any RF that are a big enough upgrade to warrant spending money/players on.

 

I'm kind of hoping we don't get a big upgrade in right, because I think he'd then go hard after Peavy. I'd be fine with Font at second full time and DeRosa in right if it meant a rotation of Peavy/Harden/Zambrano/Dempster. If Harden can give us like 20 starts and Dempster can at least be decent to good, that rotation would be insane... especially if we were able to keep Marshall.

 

guys...go look at peavy's postseason stats...they are not good...neither are harden's

 

how many of you are really that ok with derosa being our everyday right fielder?

 

i think it is much wiser to try and get someone to bat leadoff and fill the RF spot

 

Not that it's the only thing wrong with that post, but you should probably know you lose some credibility when you talk about needing a leadoff hitter.... especially when the team in question just scored the most runs in the league.

 

leadoff still isn't a position

 

well...i guess i lost credibility...too bad

 

i threw the leadoff hitter out there because i was looking for just that response

 

thanks

[Exile on Waveland]

You're writing off Peavy and Harden's playoff performances ever because of 21 combined playoff innings from them?

 

While I don't really believe there's anything to this, Peavy has been terrible in both his playoff starts and last year's play-in game. It certainly wouldn't suppress my desire to acquire him; nor do I think it's much more than an aberration. It's at least slightly disconcerting though.

[JohnF]

Rozner thinks the Cubs are still in the running for Peavy, but one of the names he mentions in a deal makes me believe he doesn't know anything.

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=253802

 

the Cubs have become the leaders in the Peavy chase, mostly because Chicago is his first choice, and the Cubs might be the Padres' only option, according to sources close to the situation.

 

Beyond that, the Pads need live bodies, so Ronny Cedeno and Josh Vitters make sense, but if the Cubs needs to add Felix Pie, or substitute in pitcher Jose Ceda or infielder Mike Fontenot, so be it.

[cubsfan26]

Rozner thinks the Cubs are still in the running for Peavy, but one of the names he mentions in a deal makes me believe he doesn't know anything.

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=253802

 

the Cubs have become the leaders in the Peavy chase, mostly because Chicago is his first choice, and the Cubs might be the Padres' only option, according to sources close to the situation.

 

Beyond that, the Pads need live bodies, so Ronny Cedeno and Josh Vitters make sense, but if the Cubs needs to add Felix Pie, or substitute in pitcher Jose Ceda or infielder Mike Fontenot, so be it.

 

 

 

Not to mention Towers pretty much came out and said the Cubs don't have the prospects to get a deal done right now and will have to add a third team. So it's not really up to the Cubs, to add these live bodies to get a deal done. The Cubs need to find a team that has prospects the Padres like, and are willing to trade them to us for some of our prospects that the Padres don't like that much. Which I feel is gonna be pretty hard to pull off, because who's gonna wanna give up good prospects for our average ones? So IMO if were gonna get a deal done, were gonna have to trade DeRosa or Theriot, and get a good pitching prospect in return to send with Vitters, Pie, and Marshall.

[David]

loooooooooool Rozner takes his idiocy to a new level by including a guy that was traded, what, 2 weeks ago?

[SouthSideRyan]

loooooooooool Rozner takes his idiocy to a new level by including a guy that was traded, what, 2 weeks ago?

 

Yeah, well do you know Greg Maddux personally???

[RynoRules]

I know that i am a little late to this part of the party, but I don't think Lou's statement that "we don't need another starting pitcher" means that the Cubs aren't in the running for Peavy. I think it more likely is an attempt to gain leverage over the Pads in trade negotiations.

[Jehrico]

I know that i am a little late to this part of the party, but I don't think Lou's statement that "we don't need another starting pitcher" means that the Cubs aren't in the running for Peavy. I think it more likely is an attempt to gain leverage over the Pads in trade negotiations.

Exactly. He's only stating the obvious when he says we don't NEED another starting pitcher. This is true. We have an excellent rotation one through five as it stands right now, we don't need another starter. That doesn't mean we won't upgrade if the right deal comes along, just that we don't have a hole that we HAVE to fill right now. As far as Peavy is concerned, I'm beginning to think that Towers has no choice but to trade him, and he will, but his hands are tied by Peavy's NTC so the market is limited. He's doing his job as best he can by dragging this out and seeing if he can get a better return by getting Hendry to get a 3rd team involved. There's no immediate need to deal Peavy now. If he comes back in a month and accepts whatever package it was that Hendry had already proposed, I'm sure Jim won't tell him the offer is off of the table, as the deal would obviously favor us.

[SouthSideRyan]

I know that i am a little late to this part of the party, but I don't think Lou's statement that "we don't need another starting pitcher" means that the Cubs aren't in the running for Peavy. I think it more likely is an attempt to gain leverage over the Pads in trade negotiations.

 

He gave it away when he said we have 6 good starting pitchers, when he's pretty clearly not a fan of Marquis or Marshall.(as a starter)

[twothousandfive]

were gonna have to trade DeRosa or Theriot, and get a good pitching prospect in return to send with Vitters, Pie, and Marshall.

 

If so, it surely complicates things, because you then almost have to either take Cedeno out of the deal (if SD wants him) or find someone else to back-up in middle infield. I'd guess that to a contender -- the only team willing to maybe give up a vet for a prospect -- Theriot may have more value because he can play short and second. If Toronto believe they are a contender, Scutaro, McDonald, Hill, Inglet aren't enough. Maybe a guy like Brad Mills is possible, but I doubt it.

 

Cleveland might also be able to use a middle infielder -- and I suppose Theriot can move to third. Maybe Zach Putnam, but probably not David Huff, could be pried away for Theriot. I don't see how he makes the difference for Peavy.

 

It seems Towers may be looking for something along the lines of the Harden deal. Marshall isn't quite as appealing as Gallagher, Murton & Patterson probably don't match Vitters & Pie (but Beane may have been high on Murton) and they could probably add Castillo to match Donaldson. But it is also sensible for SD to want another potential major league pitcher, so that probably is the mis-match. Towers might be willing to take Marshall, Pie, Vitters and Ceda, but that last name is a bit tough to add in right now. That's a pretty big opportunity cost for Gregg. But maybe Towers can't find anyone interested, and he'll take Ascanio.

[EhDubya]

were gonna have to trade DeRosa or Theriot, and get a good pitching prospect in return to send with Vitters, Pie, and Marshall.

 

If so, it surely complicates things, because you then almost have to either take Cedeno out of the deal (if SD wants him) or find someone else to back-up in middle infield. I'd guess that to a contender -- the only team willing to maybe give up a vet for a prospect -- Theriot may have more value because he can play short and second. If Toronto believe they are a contender, Scutaro, McDonald, Hill, Inglet aren't enough. Maybe a guy like Brad Mills is possible, but I doubt it.

 

Cleveland might also be able to use a middle infielder -- and I suppose Theriot can move to third. Maybe Zach Putnam, but probably not David Huff, could be pried away for Theriot. I don't see how he makes the difference for Peavy.

 

It seems Towers may be looking for something along the lines of the Harden deal. Marshall isn't quite as appealing as Gallagher, Murton & Patterson probably don't match Vitters & Pie (but Beane may have been high on Murton) and they could probably add Castillo to match Donaldson. But it is also sensible for SD to want another potential major league pitcher, so that probably is the mis-match. Towers might be willing to take Marshall, Pie, Vitters and Ceda, but that last name is a bit tough to add in right now. That's a pretty big opportunity cost for Gregg. But maybe Towers can't find anyone interested, and he'll take Ascanio.

 

I would love to watch Theriot field a ball that takes him to the left side of the bag and try to throw the runner out. Love it.

[JimSorgi]

Rozner thinks the Cubs are still in the running for Peavy, but one of the names he mentions in a deal makes me believe he doesn't know anything.

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=253802

 

the Cubs have become the leaders in the Peavy chase, mostly because Chicago is his first choice, and the Cubs might be the Padres' only option, according to sources close to the situation.

 

Beyond that, the Pads need live bodies, so Ronny Cedeno and Josh Vitters make sense, but if the Cubs needs to add Felix Pie, or substitute in pitcher Jose Ceda or infielder Mike Fontenot, so be it.

Do you think they'd be interested in Sean Gallagher?

[mdwilla]

Padres General Manager Kevin Towers departed his office Tuesday night for a Thanksgiving break not expecting to hear anything regarding a Jake Peavy trade for the rest of the week.

 

And the Trevor Hoffman front is just as quiet.

 

"There's just nothing to report right now," Towers said. "The only talks we've had is with the Cubs and I'm not expecting to hear anything until after the weekend."

 

Asked if there might be an offer from another club regarding Peavy lurking in the background, Towers said no.

 

Officially, the Padres are still holding out hope that a reconciliation can be reached with Hoffman, although there have been no talks between the sides. The Padres have to make a decision Dec. 1 whether or not to offer Hoffman arbitration.

 

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/weblogs/padres/2008/nov/26/no-news-no-news/?padres

[PrimeTime]

I just want to get this done..I don't get how it's such a hard process.. Peavy really wants to come here..Towers and Hendry are good friends.It's a perfect match.Can't they just text or call each other back and forth with offers and counteroffers and work something out? Hendry just needs to text.." Hey Bud, lets do this, Vitters,Marshall,Pie and Cedeno,or pick which guys you like and lets get this done" or something like that..I don't want to rely on Jason Marquis again and who knows how many starts Harden will make.

[Sever82]

Once the bids come in for the cubs and we have good idea of who our owner is, we'll know if this deal is going down. I think the cubs are just at the point where they're not sure if they can increase payroll so they need to make sure with the future owner. But if by some miracle we trade Marquis, then i would imagine something might get done. I feel Hendry would want to get something done before the winter meetings in case towers gets better offers at those meeting but if the rumors are true and peavy only wants to be here, then it really doesn't matter. The Angels do scare me as a possible suitor but then again if they sign Tex or CC i would imagine they'd be out if it.

[nolanwood]

Once the bids come in for the cubs and we have good idea of who our owner is, we'll know if this deal is going down. I think the cubs are just at the point where they're not sure if they can increase payroll so they need to make sure with the future owner. But if by some miracle we trade Marquis, then i would imagine something might get done. I feel Hendry would want to get something done before the winter meetings in case towers gets better offers at those meeting but if the rumors are true and peavy only wants to be here, then it really doesn't matter. The Angels do scare me as a possible suitor but then again if they sign Tex or CC i would imagine they'd be out if it.

 

I'm gonna give you the same response that I did on the previous page of this thread, when you expressed identical concerns. The deal with Peavy won't magically be solved when our "new owner" approves or disapproves of the payroll status. $$ is not holding the deal up. The deal is held up because we don't have the pieces that the Padres need. It's been stated repeatedly, including by Towers himself on multiple occasions.

[CP_414]

Once the bids come in for the cubs and we have good idea of who our owner is, we'll know if this deal is going down. I think the cubs are just at the point where they're not sure if they can increase payroll so they need to make sure with the future owner. But if by some miracle we trade Marquis, then i would imagine something might get done. I feel Hendry would want to get something done before the winter meetings in case towers gets better offers at those meeting but if the rumors are true and peavy only wants to be here, then it really doesn't matter. The Angels do scare me as a possible suitor but then again if they sign Tex or CC i would imagine they'd be out if it.

 

I'm gonna give you the same response that I did on the previous page of this thread, when you expressed identical concerns. The deal with Peavy isn't gonna magically get solved when our "new owner" approves or disapproves of the payroll status. $$ is not holding the deal up. The deal is held up because we don't have the pieces that the Padres need. It's been stated repeatedly, including by Towers himself on multiple occasions.

 

I'm not so certain that is true. Towers has talked about needing a 3rd or 4th team, but that doesn't mean we don't have what it would take. It could mean are not willing to part with what he wants. It could also mean we need a 3rd or 4th team to take a salary back so we can afford Peavy. I think having a new owner could help the Cubs chances. Maybe Hendry isn't willing to part with what Towers wants because he is saving trade chips for a hitter, and the new owner says he can sign Ibanez and trade for Peavy. Unless you are Hendry all we know is what is reported, so I wouldn't be so absolute about anything.

[nolanwood]

Once the bids come in for the cubs and we have good idea of who our owner is, we'll know if this deal is going down. I think the cubs are just at the point where they're not sure if they can increase payroll so they need to make sure with the future owner. But if by some miracle we trade Marquis, then i would imagine something might get done. I feel Hendry would want to get something done before the winter meetings in case towers gets better offers at those meeting but if the rumors are true and peavy only wants to be here, then it really doesn't matter. The Angels do scare me as a possible suitor but then again if they sign Tex or CC i would imagine they'd be out if it.

 

I'm gonna give you the same response that I did on the previous page of this thread, when you expressed identical concerns. The deal with Peavy isn't gonna magically get solved when our "new owner" approves or disapproves of the payroll status. $$ is not holding the deal up. The deal is held up because we don't have the pieces that the Padres need. It's been stated repeatedly, including by Towers himself on multiple occasions.

 

I'm not so certain that is true. Towers has talked about needing a 3rd or 4th team, but that doesn't mean we don't have what it would take. It could mean are not willing to part with what he wants. It could also mean we need a 3rd or 4th team to take a salary back so we can afford Peavy. I think having a new owner could help the Cubs chances. Maybe Hendry isn't willing to part with what Towers wants because he is saving trade chips for a hitter, and the new owner says he can sign Ibanez and trade for Peavy. Unless you are Hendry all we know is what is reported, so I wouldn't be so absolute about anything.

 

I haven't read anything that states we have the pieces Towers is looking for but are unwilling to give them up.

[CP_414]

Once the bids come in for the cubs and we have good idea of who our owner is, we'll know if this deal is going down. I think the cubs are just at the point where they're not sure if they can increase payroll so they need to make sure with the future owner. But if by some miracle we trade Marquis, then i would imagine something might get done. I feel Hendry would want to get something done before the winter meetings in case towers gets better offers at those meeting but if the rumors are true and peavy only wants to be here, then it really doesn't matter. The Angels do scare me as a possible suitor but then again if they sign Tex or CC i would imagine they'd be out if it.

 

I'm gonna give you the same response that I did on the previous page of this thread, when you expressed identical concerns. The deal with Peavy isn't gonna magically get solved when our "new owner" approves or disapproves of the payroll status. $$ is not holding the deal up. The deal is held up because we don't have the pieces that the Padres need. It's been stated repeatedly, including by Towers himself on multiple occasions.

 

I'm not so certain that is true. Towers has talked about needing a 3rd or 4th team, but that doesn't mean we don't have what it would take. It could mean are not willing to part with what he wants. It could also mean we need a 3rd or 4th team to take a salary back so we can afford Peavy. I think having a new owner could help the Cubs chances. Maybe Hendry isn't willing to part with what Towers wants because he is saving trade chips for a hitter, and the new owner says he can sign Ibanez and trade for Peavy. Unless you are Hendry all we know is what is reported, so I wouldn't be so absolute about anything.

 

I haven't read anything that states we have the pieces Towers is looking for but are unwilling to give them up.

 

Well I read today we might include Jose Ceda for Peavy, so I wouldn't put that much stock into what we read. All I'm saying is I wouldn't be so absolute.

 

If the Cubs offered Vitters, Marshall, Pie, Atkins, Castillo I would assume that is enough to get it done. It's not impossible to make the trade without a 3rd team, but based on what Towers has said a deal with the Cubs would likley require a 3rd team. That doesn't mean we don't have players to acquire Peavy, just that we have not found a match with them in a straight up trade.

[scs_paradise]

By reading some posts, its obvious many of you have never been in a negotiation before. I negotiate for a job and there is nothing either side has said publicly so far that would lead me to believe that a deal can't get done here. Here it is laid out:

 

Cubs make an offer

Pads don't like the offer so they make a counter offer

Cubs don't like the counter and stick to original offer

Pads make a statement that the Cubs don't have what it takes----> to gain leverage

Everyone else drops out of negotiations

Cubs use this development to gain leverage and say-----> they don't need another pitcher

Pads actually back down a bit when Towers says something to the effect that he thinks the only team he can get a deal done with is Chicago to indicate to the Cubs that they should try again

Cubs see the crack and tell them they are walking away for a couple days and "we'll get back to you" ----->to gain leverage

 

Next what would normally happen in a negotiation is the Cubs come back in 10ish days offering a little bit more so the Pads can feel like they won but don't completely give the pads what they want.

 

At that point the Pads can accept or the cycle can repeat with the pads trying to gain leverage.

 

The Cubs are in the superior bargaining position here. The Cubs really don't need him and from what I have read the Pads must trade him and Peavy sounds like he has made it clear to Towers that he wants to go to Chicago. Puts Towers in a very tough position, so the Cubs just need to make an offer that allows Towers to save face.

 

 

One thing that is absolutely true is that never believe anything that is said in a negotiation because

1. people lie

2. people are dynamic, things change

 

 

Hope this helps to settle things down. I haven't paid that close of attention to it, so I apologize if some of the order above is out of order, but you get the gist of what is going on.

[RammyFanny]

Hold onto your seatbelts!

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-peavycubs112608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

Jake Peavy could be a little closer to being traded and the Chicago Cubs could be a little closer to getting him.

 

San Diego Padres general manager Kevin Towers said Wednesday night he might have identified a third team that would facilitate sending the standout pitcher to the Cubs, who don’t possess the depth in prospects or big league-ready talent to meet the Padres’ asking price.

 

Towers, who last week hit an impasse in negotiations with the Atlanta Braves, declined to name the third team. He said he intended to speak again to Cubs GM Jim Hendry after the Thanksgiving holiday.