Bradley Signs with Cubs 3/$30 million (p. 33)

[javy knows my name]

Just out of morbid curiosity, would the O's consider trading Markakis, and if so would we need to give up more than we would've given up for Peavy to get him?

 

Just curious for some opinions

 

Definitely not. He's the definition of untouchable for the O's.

 

If Tampa called and said they would trade David Price straight up for him I am sure the O's would do it.

I doubt it. Seems like they severely overvalue their players. They'd probably ask for Upton too

 

This may be true, but an argument can be made that Tampa overvalues theirs even more. And probably for good reason.

 

This doesn't make sense. It's not an over-evaluation if it's justified. For the record, I think Hermida is overvalued and should be traded to us for spare parts :ninja:

[BigbadB]

Just out of morbid curiosity, would the O's consider trading Markakis, and if so would we need to give up more than we would've given up for Peavy to get him?

 

Just curious for some opinions

 

Definitely not. He's the definition of untouchable for the O's.

 

If Tampa called and said they would trade David Price straight up for him I am sure the O's would do it.

I doubt it. Seems like they severely overvalue their players. They'd probably ask for Upton too

 

This may be true, but an argument can be made that Tampa overvalues theirs even more. And probably for good reason.

 

This doesn't make sense. It's not an over-evaluation if it's justified. For the record, I think Hermida is overvalued and should be traded to us for spare parts :ninja:

 

Sure it makes sense. It just depends on how you perceive it. The Cubs were interested in Carl Crawford at one point, but the asking price was ridiculous. I don't remember the specifics now, and maybe that asking price isn't nearly as ridiculous now as it seemed then. But, when the asking price is ridiculous, then you are still overvaluing your player even if they happen to be a good player that warrants a nice return.

 

David Price would be a good example. Right now, he's worth a ton. If a team called Tampa for Price, the asking price would be ridiculous rather than fair, hence my inclusion of "and probably for good reason".

 

While the OP did say that Baltimore would probably ask for Upton, too, in a deal between Price and Markakis, I'm sure Tampa would counter with something even more preposterous like Price for Markakis, Wieters and some other top Orioles prospect that I'm currently unfamiliar with.

[Soul]

I'm beginning to tire of hearing about "wish lists" and "top choices"

 

Show me results. So far there have been little, if any.

[RammyFanny]

Ed Randall reported during his show on XM Radio Tuesday night that he heard Milton Bradley was heading to the Angels. Mark Gubicza was discussing the Angels next step after Mark Teixeira agreed to terms with the Yankees, Gubicza is not convinced Bradley will sign with the Angels....and questioned the fit due to health concerns.

http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2008/12/rumorsnews1224.php#more

[RedFlash]

Ed Randall reported during his show on XM Radio Tuesday night that he heard Milton Bradley was heading to the Angels. Mark Gubicza was discussing the Angels next step after Mark Teixeira agreed to terms with the Yankees, Gubicza is not convinced Bradley will sign with the Angels....and questioned the fit due to health concerns.

http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2008/12/rumorsnews1224.php#more

 

I doubt the Angels are interested in Bradley. I mean the Angels GM has emphatically said his team wouldn't signed Manny Ramirez, and his team just re-signed Juan Rivera, and the GM apparently likes his team's OF depth. So I kinda doubt Milton Bradley will end up with the Angels.

[inari]

Ed Randall reported during his show on XM Radio Tuesday night that he heard Milton Bradley was heading to the Angels. Mark Gubicza was discussing the Angels next step after Mark Teixeira agreed to terms with the Yankees, Gubicza is not convinced Bradley will sign with the Angels....and questioned the fit due to health concerns.

http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2008/12/rumorsnews1224.php#more

 

Please be true.

[RammyFanny]

Just saw on MLBTR that the Angels GM said they are probably set in the OF, so take that with a grain of salt.

[Radar3454]

I'm beginning to tire of hearing about "wish lists" and "top choices"

 

Show me results. So far there have been little, if any.

 

I think this is a very good year to be patient and I think prices for FA's will continue to drop and we can get more for the $$$ we have to spend.

[Post Count Padder]

Can something happen already? I'm bored.

 

The Commissioner's office is closed for the holidays, yes?

[wrigley23]

according to Bruce Levine on espn 1000 this morning, he said the cub has been asked not to spend any more money until after the sale that is now projected to be mid-Jan. Funny how it keeps getting pushed back further & further. He said by the time you add in all the spare parts & fill in the roster, you are already at the $140 mill that is the current soft cap. He doesn't think the cub has the authority at this point to even sign Bradley...much less Peavy. Still getting offers on DeRo & some interest in Marquis if the Cub eats half his salary.

[UMFan83]

If true, that kinda sucks. It contradicts what more reputable writers have said this offseason (for one Bruce Miles), but it does explain why things are so quiet. I wonder if something has changed between the start of the winter meetings and now.

 

I don't think the Cubs can win it with last year's roster - Wood.

[javy knows my name]

according to Bruce Levine on espn 1000 this morning, he said the cub has been asked not to spend any more money until after the sale that is now projected to be mid-Jan. Funny how it keeps getting pushed back further & further. He said by the time you add in all the spare parts & fill in the roster, you are already at the $140 mill that is the current soft cap. He doesn't think the cub has the authority at this point to even sign Bradley...much less Peavy. Still getting offers on DeRo & some interest in Marquis if the Cub eats half his salary.

Why did you do this? Who is the Cub?

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88 wins here we come

[Backtobanks]

88 wins here we come

 

No reason to be so negative. First, the Cubs will certainly be the favorites to win the NL Central again. Second, it's not a permanent injunction on spending money. Finally, I'm sure the Cubs will find a taker for Marquis once things start moving again (after 1/05/09). To tell the truth, it might force a trade for a younger and/or cheaper RF (Scott, Hermida, etc.) that might pay off in the future. While Bradley can add a lot with the bat, his cost and injury history could end up a problem.

[wrigley23]

In case you haven't noticed, this team is veteran & now a year older. It has not been 100 yrs since the last division title so winning the division doesn't do a hell of a lot other than set things up for another flop. This team is good enough to win the division but that's it. It was proven last year & the nail was hammered flush this year. This team has went backwards this offseason through subtraction & age. I was not in the Peavy camp, but if he could have been had, by all means. With him or without him, he wasn't going to help the lack of athleticism/speed in the lineup or the lack of a middle order power hitter. Without at least one of the two to infuse into the offense, you could be looking at 0-9 in the postseason next October. The irony is that w/ cost cutting of other teams as well as salaries dropping in large part, this would have been the year to throttle down. Oh well.

[javy knows my name]

In case you haven't noticed, this team is veteran & now a year older. It has not been 100 yrs since the last division title so winning the division doesn't do a hell of a lot other than set things up for another flop. This team is good enough to win the division but that's it. It was proven last year & the nail was hammered flush this year. This team has went backwards this offseason through subtraction & age. I was not in the Peavy camp, but if he could have been had, by all means. With him or without him, he wasn't going to help the lack of athleticism/speed in the lineup or the lack of a middle order power hitter. Without at least one of the two to infuse into the offense, you could be looking at 0-9 in the postseason next October. The irony is that w/ cost cutting of other teams as well as salaries dropping in large part, this would have been the year to throttle down. Oh well.

 

I suppose if any team could do this, it would be the Cobs...

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This team is good enough to win the division but that's it. It was proven last year & the nail was hammered flush this year..

 

Uh, no. All that was proven was that they hcoked and didn't play well in 3 straight games. To say that team wasn't good enough to win it all is really dumb. They were clearly the best team in the league. They just choked, plain and simple.

 

wasn't going to help the lack of athleticism/speed in the lineup or the lack of a middle order power hitter.

 

oh god. THE CUBS SCORED THE MOST RUNS IN THE NATIONAL LEAGUE LAST SEASON. seriously, you need to stop with this garbage. they didn't fail to score runs in the playoffs because of any any made up flaw that you want to talk about. they simply did not hit. to say that it was because of lack of speed and athletism is pretty embarrassing.

[wrigley23]

embarassing for who? You? Lou Piniella is the one who said the offense needed help through more athleticism/speed & a lefty bat. He has forgotten more about baseball this offseason than you have ever known. He makes millions of dollars a year while you post on a message board like we all do. Winning the division is irrelevant. They did that last year. Those in the "just had six bad days over two yrs" are naive. The "try harder" approach does not work. If this was a young team, you might have a lame angle at least but this is a veteran team only getting a year older. The offense has proven in the playoffs two yrs in a row that it is flawed. It needs fixed or it may be 0-9. Jim Hendry's piss poor, long-term contract, no trade, wreckless spending has caught up. Better find a hedge team for '09 if this is it.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If we're going to play the false appeal to authority card, do you think Lou Piniella would agree with you that last year's team was destined to fail in the playoffs? Or, if we go into 2009 with the team as built, that it's doomed?

[SweetZombieJesus]

If we're going to play the false appeal to authority card, do you think Lou Piniella would agree with you that last year's team was destined to fail in the playoffs? Or, if we go into 2009 with the team as built, that it's doomed?

 

Well, the Cards got Khalil Greene, and will likely trade Ludwick for Kelly Johnson and then proceed to sign Adam Dunn. The cubs should obviously go in to rebuilding mode because there is no chance in hell that they can compete.

[cubsfan26]

Even if we do have to wait until mid January or Febuary, a pretty good outfielder probably still be on the market. Plus we can still make a trade for someone at that point as well. There's no reason at all to freak out right now. The Cardinals got a little better, but there still not in our league. The Brewers are much worse right now with losing Sabathia, Sheets, Torres and others. The Astros got a little worse losing Wolf and Wigginton as well. The Cubs right now are 90 plus win team, especially in this division. Plus they will add a LH RF who is productive. It just depends on if it will be a guy who can play everyday like Bradley, Dunn, Abreu, or a guy they can use in a platoon who crushes righties. This team is still very talented and deep team. I have no concerns at all about making the playoffs right now, the only thing that could stop this team is poor health.

[davearm2]

embarassing for who? You? Lou Piniella is the one who said the offense needed help through more athleticism/speed & a lefty bat. He has forgotten more about baseball this offseason than you have ever known. He makes millions of dollars a year while you post on a message board like we all do. Winning the division is irrelevant. They did that last year. Those in the "just had six bad days over two yrs" are naive. The "try harder" approach does not work. If this was a young team, you might have a lame angle at least but this is a veteran team only getting a year older. The offense has proven in the playoffs two yrs in a row that it is flawed. It needs fixed or it may be 0-9. Jim Hendry's piss poor, long-term contract, no trade, wreckless spending has caught up. Better find a hedge team for '09 if this is it.

The notion that a team could have fatal flaws that go virtually undetected over 162 games, but then suddenly are exposed in three games, is flat out comical.

 

If the Cubs' offense was such a problem, then it would have become abundantly clear over the course of the regular season. To think otherwise is silly. They are playing the same game in October as they were for the first 6 months of the year, after all.

[CUBZ99]

according to Bruce Levine on espn 1000 this morning, he said the cub has been asked not to spend any more money until after the sale that is now projected to be mid-Jan. Funny how it keeps getting pushed back further & further. He said by the time you add in all the spare parts & fill in the roster, you are already at the $140 mill that is the current soft cap. He doesn't think the cub has the authority at this point to even sign Bradley...much less Peavy. Still getting offers on DeRo & some interest in Marquis if the Cub eats half his salary.

 

Hendry said the same thing when he was getting interviewed by Kaplan on Sports Central a week or so ago. The Cubs aren't going to do anything until Hendry gets approval from his new boss. I guess it could be a good thing, and the Cubs will get an owner that will go all out on payroll. :-)) :-)) This is the Cubs we're talking about.

[17 Seconds]

embarassing for who? You? Lou Piniella is the one who said the offense needed help through more athleticism/speed & a lefty bat. He has forgotten more about baseball this offseason than you have ever known. He makes millions of dollars a year while you post on a message board like we all do. Winning the division is irrelevant. They did that last year. Those in the "just had six bad days over two yrs" are naive. The "try harder" approach does not work. If this was a young team, you might have a lame angle at least but this is a veteran team only getting a year older. The offense has proven in the playoffs two yrs in a row that it is flawed. It needs fixed or it may be 0-9. Jim Hendry's piss poor, long-term contract, no trade, wreckless spending has caught up. Better find a hedge team for '09 if this is it.

 

First of all, stp using the "____ said this is the case and he knows way more about baseball than some internet message board poster" argument becuase it's a huge coupout.

 

Don't you always complain about the Soriano contract and hendry? Well "Hendry has forgotten more about baseball than you have ever known! He makes millions of dollars while you post on an internet message board"

 

See how that works? When you say stuff like that it just hurts your arguments.

 

Anyways, show me where Lopu said that the reason the Cubs lost in the playoffs is because they didn't have enough speed and athletisism in the playoffs. Oh wait, he didn't.

 

Listen dude, you NEED to stop with this stuff about them having some offensive flaw that only shows up in the playoffs. If you want to complain about the group of offensive players and say they'll continue to choke in the playoffs, then go ahead. That's a valid concern. But don't act like the reason they didn't score runs in those 6 games has to do with the type of offense of the way it's built. It's just makes you look really dumb. Sorry, but that's the truth.

 

They couldn't handle the monet. It's as simple as that.... it really is. It had nothing to do with anything else. They couldn't handle the pressure and did not perform well. Just stop.

[17 Seconds]

embarassing for who? You? Lou Piniella is the one who said the offense needed help through more athleticism/speed & a lefty bat. He has forgotten more about baseball this offseason than you have ever known. He makes millions of dollars a year while you post on a message board like we all do. Winning the division is irrelevant. They did that last year. Those in the "just had six bad days over two yrs" are naive. The "try harder" approach does not work. If this was a young team, you might have a lame angle at least but this is a veteran team only getting a year older. The offense has proven in the playoffs two yrs in a row that it is flawed. It needs fixed or it may be 0-9. Jim Hendry's piss poor, long-term contract, no trade, wreckless spending has caught up. Better find a hedge team for '09 if this is it.

The notion that a team could have fatal flaws that go virtually undetected over 162 games, but then suddenly are exposed in three games, is flat out comical.

 

If the Cubs' offense was such a problem, then it would have become abundantly clear over the course of the regular season. To think otherwise is silly. They are playing the same game in October as they were for the first 6 months of the year, after all.

 

stop it with this reasonable logic