Jake Peavy: Available.

[Mephistopheles]

hill has absolutely no trade value at this point.

[Little Slide Rooter]

hill has absolutely no trade value at this point.

 

Agreed. This time last year, Hill would have enticed a lot of teams, but after the train wreck that was his 2008, he'll have to prove once again that he can cut it in the big leagues if anyone will take a chance one him.

 

Marshall, Pie, and Ceda could all be pieces of the deal, but if we were going to get them interested, wed have to use Vitters as the centerpiece.

[Keener98]

If you were Stl would you offer up Rasmus and Anderson, along with a couple others? Im pretty sure I would, and Im pretty sure the Padres would take something like that.

 

Ech. Peavy to the Cardinals makes me nervous.

 

Yea I wouldnt be surprised at all to see him traded to Stl. Rasmus and Anderson, along with a couple others like Reggiemiller rules said would make sense for both teams.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If you were Stl would you offer up Rasmus and Anderson, along with a couple others? Im pretty sure I would, and Im pretty sure the Padres would take something like that.

 

Ech. Peavy to the Cardinals makes me nervous.

 

Yea I wouldnt be surprised at all to see him traded to Stl. Rasmus and Anderson, along with a couple others like Reggiemiller rules said would make sense for both teams.

 

Which is why Uncle Jimmy needs to get in on it as soon as possible.

[rawaction]

I don't see us completing this deal with Felix Pie as the centerpiece. I think it would have to include Soto.

 

I think it depends on how they feel about Rich Hill. I agree, Pie definitely cannot be the centerpiece. They would be interested in him, but he couldn't be the #1 in the deal.

 

A lot of people seem to think that our farm system doesnt have much to offer. Thats really not true. Much like the major league club, our system has a lot of promising prospects, we just dont have that one superstar in the system like a Gamel or a Rasmus. Vitters is the closest thing, but hes too young to know how much value he'll have in the long run.

 

Wed have to deal with quantity more than quality. With a team like the Padres, we could easily get a deal without someone like Soto or Marmol. Wed take Pie, Marshall, and Ceda or Ascanio and go from there.

 

Well, you just explained why people think that. Laporta got Sabathia. Maybin got Cabrera. Carlos Gonzalez got Haren. Laroche got Manny. The Cubs don't have anybody with that kind of potential. And while I love Harden and loved the move, that's why the Cubs will only be in the running to trade for players like him. By like him I mean, players with injury issues or very short-term contracts who are financial dumps by their teams.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I don't see us completing this deal with Felix Pie as the centerpiece. I think it would have to include Soto.

 

I think it depends on how they feel about Rich Hill. I agree, Pie definitely cannot be the centerpiece. They would be interested in him, but he couldn't be the #1 in the deal.

 

A lot of people seem to think that our farm system doesnt have much to offer. Thats really not true. Much like the major league club, our system has a lot of promising prospects, we just dont have that one superstar in the system like a Gamel or a Rasmus. Vitters is the closest thing, but hes too young to know how much value he'll have in the long run.

 

Wed have to deal with quantity more than quality. With a team like the Padres, we could easily get a deal without someone like Soto or Marmol. Wed take Pie, Marshall, and Ceda or Ascanio and go from there.

 

 

 

Well, you just explained why people think that. Laporta got Sabathia. Maybin got Cabrera. Carlos Gonzalez got Haren. Laroche got Manny. The Cubs don't have anybody with that kind of potential. And while I love Harden and loved the move, that's why the Cubs will only be in the running to trade for players like him. By like him I mean, players with injury issues or very short-term contracts who are financial dumps by their teams.

 

A big enough package with a few major league ready players like Marshall, Pie, and Theriot/Fontento/Cedeno mixed with a few younger guys like Vitters, Ceda/Ascanio and throw in a few minor guys like Veal/Hart/Atkins could entice a team trying to build as much as that one big guy.

[Jehrico]

his batted balls remained largely the same? if going from a league average LD% to the worst in the league is remaining largely the same, then fine. he's a .330-.340 BABIP kind of guy. That'll get him .300/.350/.500 if he doesn't develop more power or learn to walk more frequently.

 

i dont see how he compares to reed johnson in any way

Even if he does project how you think, that's still a crappy deal for Peavy. It's far easier to come by guys who have his projectability and have produced at his level already than it is to come by guys like Peavy.

[Jehrico]

hill has absolutely no trade value at this point.

As a centerpiece, no. As a throw in, I bet you'll find a few GMs that would love to get him packed into a deal.

[Guest]

I don't see us completing this deal with Felix Pie as the centerpiece. I think it would have to include Soto.

 

I think it depends on how they feel about Rich Hill. I agree, Pie definitely cannot be the centerpiece. They would be interested in him, but he couldn't be the #1 in the deal.

 

A lot of people seem to think that our farm system doesnt have much to offer. Thats really not true. Much like the major league club, our system has a lot of promising prospects, we just dont have that one superstar in the system like a Gamel or a Rasmus. Vitters is the closest thing, but hes too young to know how much value he'll have in the long run.

 

Wed have to deal with quantity more than quality. With a team like the Padres, we could easily get a deal without someone like Soto or Marmol. Wed take Pie, Marshall, and Ceda or Ascanio and go from there.

 

Well, you just explained why people think that. Laporta got Sabathia. Maybin got Cabrera. Carlos Gonzalez got Haren. Laroche got Manny. The Cubs don't have anybody with that kind of potential. And while I love Harden and loved the move, that's why the Cubs will only be in the running to trade for players like him. By like him I mean, players with injury issues or very short-term contracts who are financial dumps by their teams.

 

And this is where years of having a weak farm system hurts the Cubs.

[Cubswin11]

I don't see us completing this deal with Felix Pie as the centerpiece. I think it would have to include Soto.

 

I think it depends on how they feel about Rich Hill. I agree, Pie definitely cannot be the centerpiece. They would be interested in him, but he couldn't be the #1 in the deal.

 

A lot of people seem to think that our farm system doesnt have much to offer. Thats really not true. Much like the major league club, our system has a lot of promising prospects, we just dont have that one superstar in the system like a Gamel or a Rasmus. Vitters is the closest thing, but hes too young to know how much value he'll have in the long run.

 

Wed have to deal with quantity more than quality. With a team like the Padres, we could easily get a deal without someone like Soto or Marmol. Wed take Pie, Marshall, and Ceda or Ascanio and go from there.

 

Well, you just explained why people think that. Laporta got Sabathia. Maybin got Cabrera. Carlos Gonzalez got Haren. Laroche got Manny. The Cubs don't have anybody with that kind of potential. And while I love Harden and loved the move, that's why the Cubs will only be in the running to trade for players like him. By like him I mean, players with injury issues or very short-term contracts who are financial dumps by their teams.

 

And this is where years of having a weak farm system hurts the Cubs.

 

Our "weak" farm system has gotten us Harden, Lee, Ramirez, Lofton, Nomar, and Pierre(he didn't work out but at the time he was a premier leadoff hitter) over the past 5 years.

I agree we have a weak system but it hasn't stopped us from being able to get good players at positions of need to make us better. I guess the argument can be made that we have a system of hype and not talent as the only guy involved in any of those trades to do anything in the big leagues is Nolasco, and he still is average. Looking at the guys we have in the system now I would say there is no way we can pull off a trade for Peavy, Beltran, or even Roberts. But looking at what Hendry has done to get the guys mentioned I wouldn't put it by him to pull off a trade for one of those guys.

[SouthSideRyan]

hill has absolutely no trade value at this point.

As a centerpiece, no. As a throw in, I bet you'll find a few GMs that would love to get him packed into a deal.

 

He's not even from Texas.

[Guest]

I don't see us completing this deal with Felix Pie as the centerpiece. I think it would have to include Soto.

 

I think it depends on how they feel about Rich Hill. I agree, Pie definitely cannot be the centerpiece. They would be interested in him, but he couldn't be the #1 in the deal.

 

A lot of people seem to think that our farm system doesnt have much to offer. Thats really not true. Much like the major league club, our system has a lot of promising prospects, we just dont have that one superstar in the system like a Gamel or a Rasmus. Vitters is the closest thing, but hes too young to know how much value he'll have in the long run.

 

Wed have to deal with quantity more than quality. With a team like the Padres, we could easily get a deal without someone like Soto or Marmol. Wed take Pie, Marshall, and Ceda or Ascanio and go from there.

 

Well, you just explained why people think that. Laporta got Sabathia. Maybin got Cabrera. Carlos Gonzalez got Haren. Laroche got Manny. The Cubs don't have anybody with that kind of potential. And while I love Harden and loved the move, that's why the Cubs will only be in the running to trade for players like him. By like him I mean, players with injury issues or very short-term contracts who are financial dumps by their teams.

 

And this is where years of having a weak farm system hurts the Cubs.

 

Our "weak" farm system has gotten us Harden, Lee, Ramirez, Lofton, Nomar, and Pierre(he didn't work out but at the time he was a premier leadoff hitter) over the past 5 years.

I agree we have a weak system but it hasn't stopped us from being able to get good players at positions of need to make us better. I guess the argument can be made that we have a system of hype and not talent as the only guy involved in any of those trades to do anything in the big leagues is Nolasco, and he still is average. Looking at the guys we have in the system now I would say there is no way we can pull off a trade for Peavy, Beltran, or even Roberts. But looking at what Hendry has done to get the guys mentioned I wouldn't put it by him to pull off a trade for one of those guys.

 

I was referring to what raw said. The farm system is only good enough to get injury issues/financial dumps/short term contracts. None of the players you mentioned were as good as Sabathia, Cabrera, Haren or Manny. The Cubs don't have the prospects to acquire such prime talent and haven't - outside of Soto - since the days when Prior, Z and Cruz were still prospects.

[Clem Fandango]

Would Hoffpauir have any trade value. He has good minor league numbers, hit well at the major league level, and is cheap. His only pratfall is his age. I'm not saying he's a centerpiece, but could he be a good addition to whatever package we could offer, or would they just look at him as a throw in?

[rawaction]

 

Our "weak" farm system has gotten us Harden, Lee, Ramirez, Lofton, Nomar, and Pierre(he didn't work out but at the time he was a premier leadoff hitter) over the past 5 years.

I agree we have a weak system but it hasn't stopped us from being able to get good players at positions of need to make us better. I guess the argument can be made that we have a system of hype and not talent as the only guy involved in any of those trades to do anything in the big leagues is Nolasco, and he still is average. Looking at the guys we have in the system now I would say there is no way we can pull off a trade for Peavy, Beltran, or even Roberts. But looking at what Hendry has done to get the guys mentioned I wouldn't put it by him to pull off a trade for one of those guys.

 

I was referring to what raw said. The farm system is only good enough to get injury issues/financial dumps/short term contracts. None of the players you mentioned were as good as Sabathia, Cabrera, Haren or Manny. The Cubs don't have the prospects to acquire such prime talent and haven't - outside of Soto - since the days when Prior, Z and Cruz were still prospects.

 

Exactly. However, I do believe the Cubs can get Beltran or Roberts. Roberts has an expiring contract. And even though the Mets have the money, Beltran can be seen as a salary dump to get Sabathia or Manny or Lowe or KRod.

 

The problem with quantity over quality trades is that the team getting the prospects has to have spots on the 40-man roster. Guys who don't have to be put on the 40-man are typically further away from the majors and regardless of how talented they are, don't have much value. You typically don't see more than 1 of those guys in a trade (See Harden trade, Donaldson). Also, teams have to have a potential opening for those prospects if/when they get to the majors. So, if you are trying to trade a guy like Pie to a team w/ a stud CF prospect, then he will be devalued by that team.

[illiniguy]

I wonder if Matt Wieters would have got us Peavy? With a couple throw ins of course.

[Outshined_One]

Would Hoffpauir have any trade value. He has good minor league numbers, hit well at the major league level, and is cheap. His only pratfall is his age. I'm not saying he's a centerpiece, but could he be a good addition to whatever package we could offer, or would they just look at him as a throw in?

 

Throw-in, and not a very good one. He's had four seasons where he's spent significant time in AAA. Other teams have had opportunities to get him via the Rule 5 Draft and the Cubs haven't bothered to give him much time in the majors, even as a pinch hitter. His age hurts, too.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Would Hoffpauir have any trade value. He has good minor league numbers, hit well at the major league level, and is cheap. His only pratfall is his age. I'm not saying he's a centerpiece, but could he be a good addition to whatever package we could offer, or would they just look at him as a throw in?

 

Throw-in, and not a very good one. He's had four seasons where he's spent significant time in AAA. Other teams have had opportunities to get him via the Rule 5 Draft and the Cubs haven't bothered to give him much time in the majors, even as a pinch hitter. His age hurts, too.

 

I think that Hoff could be a solid major league starter, like a .285/.375/.450 type of guy if he were to get the chance. As for trade value, I agree that hed have to be a throw in.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Would Hoffpauir have any trade value. He has good minor league numbers, hit well at the major league level, and is cheap. His only pratfall is his age. I'm not saying he's a centerpiece, but could he be a good addition to whatever package we could offer, or would they just look at him as a throw in?

 

Throw-in, and not a very good one. He's had four seasons where he's spent significant time in AAA. Other teams have had opportunities to get him via the Rule 5 Draft and the Cubs haven't bothered to give him much time in the majors, even as a pinch hitter. His age hurts, too.

 

I think that Hoff could be a solid major league starter, like a .285/.375/.450 type of guy if he were to get the chance. As for trade value, I agree that hed have to be a throw in.

 

An .825 OPS is below average for a 1B. And it's questionable that Hoffpauir could be an .825 hitter.

[sneakypower]

and extremely questionable he'd ever have such a high ratio of walks

[rawaction]

and extremely questionable he'd ever have such a high ratio of walks

 

I could see .825 OPS, but it would be less patience and more power. Maybe .345/.480, which still isn't anything special for a corner IF/OF.

[sneakypower]

unless you're 25 and have scoliosis

[Guancous]

Via Rotoworld:

 

Jake Peavy told reporters at the end of the season that he would not accept a trade to the AL.

When asked about his trade stance again Tuesday in the midst of reports that he's on the block Peavy responded that he didn't "want to get into any speculation." His preference is important given the full no-trade clause included in his recent contract extension. "Jake has a strong preference to stay in the National League," agent Barry Axelrod said. Alexrod added that "Jake would only approve a trade to a team with a solid chance of winning," specifically mentioning Atlanta, Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles and St. Louis as cities that fit "his and his family's lifestyle."

[Little Slide Rooter]

Via Rotoworld:

 

Jake Peavy told reporters at the end of the season that he would not accept a trade to the AL.

When asked about his trade stance again Tuesday in the midst of reports that he's on the block Peavy responded that he didn't "want to get into any speculation." His preference is important given the full no-trade clause included in his recent contract extension. "Jake has a strong preference to stay in the National League," agent Barry Axelrod said. Alexrod added that "Jake would only approve a trade to a team with a solid chance of winning," specifically mentioning Atlanta, Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles and St. Louis as cities that fit "his and his family's lifestyle."

 

Why do I feel like this discussion has just gone in a circle?

[Guancous]

Via Rotoworld:

 

Jake Peavy told reporters at the end of the season that he would not accept a trade to the AL.

When asked about his trade stance again Tuesday in the midst of reports that he's on the block Peavy responded that he didn't "want to get into any speculation." His preference is important given the full no-trade clause included in his recent contract extension. "Jake has a strong preference to stay in the National League," agent Barry Axelrod said. Alexrod added that "Jake would only approve a trade to a team with a solid chance of winning," specifically mentioning Atlanta, Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles and St. Louis as cities that fit "his and his family's lifestyle."

 

Why do I feel like this discussion has just gone in a circle?

 

Sorry if that was a repeat. I stayed away from the boards since that Dodgers... incident.

[BigbadB]

Via Rotoworld:

 

Jake Peavy told reporters at the end of the season that he would not accept a trade to the AL.

When asked about his trade stance again Tuesday in the midst of reports that he's on the block Peavy responded that he didn't "want to get into any speculation." His preference is important given the full no-trade clause included in his recent contract extension. "Jake has a strong preference to stay in the National League," agent Barry Axelrod said. Alexrod added that "Jake would only approve a trade to a team with a solid chance of winning," specifically mentioning Atlanta, Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles and St. Louis as cities that fit "his and his family's lifestyle."

 

Why do I feel like this discussion has just gone in a circle?

 

I find it ironic that the Cubs get listed a lot as a team with a solid chance of winning, since we never win anything.