Jake Peavy: Available.

[mdwilla]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1274284,CST-SPT-cub12.article

The Cubs' payroll should rise from the $130 million level at the end of this season, possibly by enough to fit both Peavy ($11 million in '09) and Dempster (potentially more) into the budget;

 

• • The Peavy saga should be resolved -- regardless of his destination -- before the Cubs' top in-house priority (Dempster) is;

 

• • And Peavy's history of shoulder and elbow issues (albeit, no surgery) and extra-care/rest requirements could make him a particularly tough fit for the Cubs, considering he has four years, $67 million guaranteed remaining on his contract; is expected to require full no-trade status and the $22 million option for 2013 to be picked up in order to approve the trade; and the Cubs already have similar care/rest issues with starter Rich Harden.

 

More than one major league talent evaluator said Peavy's health concerns -- he's been disabled twice each for the shoulder and elbow, including once in '08 for the elbow -- should be cause for concern. Especially considering that the Padres are aggressively trying to dump his salary less than a year after extending him in a move seen as building their future around him.

 

Peavy's fastball-slider repertoire puts his production at particular risk if his health declines even slightly, they say.

 

''I'm not ecstatic over that deal, especially for a team that has the pitching [the Cubs] have,'' said one longtime evaluator for a National League club, suggesting the Cubs would be better served using their resources to bring back Dempster and Wood. ''You've got to ask, will he still be an ace when he's making ace money?''

 

Interesting comments but nothing really new. With Peavy/Harden/Z all going to be needing extra days rest it becomes important to have a strong 5/6 Man rotation to help keep those three aces healthy.

Edited November 12, 2008 by mdwilla

[ChiCubsFan]

I'm going to sleep and not waking up until Peavy is a Cub.

[mdwilla]

Latest From Rosenthal:

 

The Padres again have asked the Braves to revise their proposal for right-hander Jake Peavy, requesting that the team substitute Single-A catcher Tyler Flowers for Single-A center fielder Gorkys Hernandez, according to major-league sources.

 

Flowers, 6-foot-4 and 245 pounds, is tearing up the Arizona Fall League, and the Braves probably are unwilling to part with him in the same package as shortstop Yunel Escobar and either right-hander Charlie Morton or left-hander Jo-Jo Reyes. Frankly, they're not thrilled with trading any of those players.

 

 

Yunel Escobar's stock might have fallen in the Braves' eyes. (Jeff Gross / Getty Images)

The Cubs and Padres, meanwhile, continue to discuss the same list of six to eight names from which the Padres would choose in a deal for Peavy. The Padres then would have the option of spinning one or more of those players to other clubs.

 

One rival GM poses a good question: Why are the Braves so willing to trade Escobar? When the Braves included shortstop Elvis Andrus in their package for Teixeria 16 months ago, club officials reasoned that Escobar could man the position for the next six years.

 

Well, Escobar is part of the price to get Peavy. The Braves believe that Brent Lillibridge would be a lesser hitter than Escobar but a superior defender, further benefiting their pitching staff.

 

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8782170/Brewers'-veterans-could-be-dealt-for-pitching-help

[mdwilla]

Which is why it appears Chicago has engaged a third team in its discussions. Creativity is paramount in acquiring a pitcher of Peavy’s caliber. The proof: One source intimated that the New York Yankees would like to get involved in the Peavy sweepstakes by centering a deal around second baseman Robinson Cano and center fielder Melky Cabrera. Peavy has made it clear he wants to remain in the National League, although a source close to the pitcher said Wednesday the Yankees are intriguing enough to consider.

By Jeff Passan, Yahoo! Sports

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-peavyupdate111108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

Passan was way off about the Sharks NTC and is probably getting bad info again about the Yankees.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Latest From Rosenthal:

 

The Padres again have asked the Braves to revise their proposal for right-hander Jake Peavy, requesting that the team substitute Single-A catcher Tyler Flowers for Single-A center fielder Gorkys Hernandez, according to major-league sources.

 

Flowers, 6-foot-4 and 245 pounds, is tearing up the Arizona Fall League, and the Braves probably are unwilling to part with him in the same package as shortstop Yunel Escobar and either right-hander Charlie Morton or left-hander Jo-Jo Reyes. Frankly, they're not thrilled with trading any of those players.

 

 

Yunel Escobar's stock might have fallen in the Braves' eyes. (Jeff Gross / Getty Images)

The Cubs and Padres, meanwhile, continue to discuss the same list of six to eight names from which the Padres would choose in a deal for Peavy. The Padres then would have the option of spinning one or more of those players to other clubs.

 

One rival GM poses a good question: Why are the Braves so willing to trade Escobar? When the Braves included shortstop Elvis Andrus in their package for Teixeria 16 months ago, club officials reasoned that Escobar could man the position for the next six years.

 

Well, Escobar is part of the price to get Peavy. The Braves believe that Brent Lillibridge would be a lesser hitter than Escobar but a superior defender, further benefiting their pitching staff.

 

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8782170/Brewers'-veterans-could-be-dealt-for-pitching-help

 

Christ Towers, why are you wasting time with the Braves, who are unwilling to include their top prospects when Hendry is basically willing to give up any prospect or prospect package, minus Samardzjia, who he is unable to due to an NTC.

[17 Seconds]

Latest From Rosenthal:

 

The Padres again have asked the Braves to revise their proposal for right-hander Jake Peavy, requesting that the team substitute Single-A catcher Tyler Flowers for Single-A center fielder Gorkys Hernandez, according to major-league sources.

 

Flowers, 6-foot-4 and 245 pounds, is tearing up the Arizona Fall League, and the Braves probably are unwilling to part with him in the same package as shortstop Yunel Escobar and either right-hander Charlie Morton or left-hander Jo-Jo Reyes. Frankly, they're not thrilled with trading any of those players.

 

 

Yunel Escobar's stock might have fallen in the Braves' eyes. (Jeff Gross / Getty Images)

The Cubs and Padres, meanwhile, continue to discuss the same list of six to eight names from which the Padres would choose in a deal for Peavy. The Padres then would have the option of spinning one or more of those players to other clubs.

 

One rival GM poses a good question: Why are the Braves so willing to trade Escobar? When the Braves included shortstop Elvis Andrus in their package for Teixeria 16 months ago, club officials reasoned that Escobar could man the position for the next six years.

 

Well, Escobar is part of the price to get Peavy. The Braves believe that Brent Lillibridge would be a lesser hitter than Escobar but a superior defender, further benefiting their pitching staff.

 

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8782170/Brewers'-veterans-could-be-dealt-for-pitching-help

 

Christ Towers, why are you wasting time with the Braves, who are unwilling to include their top prospects when Hendry is basically willing to give up any prospect or prospect package, minus Samardzjia, who he is unable to due to an NTC.

 

Because Towers doesn't care about which team is being nicer, he cares about getting the best players back. If a team's 12th best prospect is better than another team's 2nd best prospect, he's going to take the first team's 12th best prospect.

 

There's a reason Hendry is willing to give up any prospect...because we don't have anybody good enough to be off limits.

[shnsajax]

Latest From Rosenthal:

 

The Padres again have asked the Braves to revise their proposal for right-hander Jake Peavy, requesting that the team substitute Single-A catcher Tyler Flowers for Single-A center fielder Gorkys Hernandez, according to major-league sources.

 

Flowers, 6-foot-4 and 245 pounds, is tearing up the Arizona Fall League, and the Braves probably are unwilling to part with him in the same package as shortstop Yunel Escobar and either right-hander Charlie Morton or left-hander Jo-Jo Reyes. Frankly, they're not thrilled with trading any of those players.

 

 

Yunel Escobar's stock might have fallen in the Braves' eyes. (Jeff Gross / Getty Images)

The Cubs and Padres, meanwhile, continue to discuss the same list of six to eight names from which the Padres would choose in a deal for Peavy. The Padres then would have the option of spinning one or more of those players to other clubs.

 

One rival GM poses a good question: Why are the Braves so willing to trade Escobar? When the Braves included shortstop Elvis Andrus in their package for Teixeria 16 months ago, club officials reasoned that Escobar could man the position for the next six years.

 

Well, Escobar is part of the price to get Peavy. The Braves believe that Brent Lillibridge would be a lesser hitter than Escobar but a superior defender, further benefiting their pitching staff.

 

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8782170/Brewers'-veterans-could-be-dealt-for-pitching-help

 

Christ Towers, why are you wasting time with the Braves, who are unwilling to include their top prospects when Hendry is basically willing to give up any prospect or prospect package, minus Samardzjia, who he is unable to due to an NTC.

 

Because Towers doesn't care about which team is being nicer, he cares about getting the best players back. If a team's 12th best prospect is better than another team's 2nd best prospect, he's going to take the first team's 12th best prospect.

 

There's a reason Hendry is willing to give up any prospect...because we don't have anybody good enough to be off limits.

 

I think the longer this goes the better chance the Cubs have.

[Old Style]

Alright, I only got to talk with my source briefly today, nothing new as far as news goes. But I did get another confirmation that Peavy will NOT be going to the Braves.

 

End of "source news", my thoughts are that Towers is using the Braves as leverage to get the Cubs to include that one more player he wants to complete the deal. Maybe someone is leaking false information to the media that a deal with the Braves is iminent to put pressure on Hendry. So far it seems Hendry is standing pat and not caving to the pressure. Here's hoping Hendry has recognized the bluff and stays firm, because the Cubs are the only realistic destination for Peavy.

I'd say the bolded indicates that DonnieD's source must not be affiliated with the Cubs.

 

If the Braves are just a bluff now, then the bluffee kinda has to be out of the loop, right?

 

That points the finger at the Pads' FO, or perhaps Peavy's agent.

 

Given that, I'd say it's noteworthy that desipio/Dolan was citing a Pads FO person for his insider info earlier Tuesday. Is the same "inside" person behind both tidbits? Are there two different "inside" people leaking the same basic info?

 

Or is this all a sinister and inhumane plot to toy with our emotions?

I bet The Shadow knows.

[17 Seconds]

We need a Bruce update. He's the only person I trust.

[JeffH]

The only person that can say for sure that Jake Peavy is not going to the Braves is Jake Peavy himself.

 

Maybe that's Donnie's source.

[El Rojito]

I sat on the sidelines during the Roberts affair, and I'm not about to let that happen this time. So here's my post.

 

Bruce, have you heard anything?

[abuck1220]

''I'm not ecstatic over that deal, especially for a team that has the pitching [the Cubs] have,'' said one longtime evaluator for a National League club, suggesting the Cubs would be better served using their resources to bring back Dempster and Wood. ''You've got to ask, will he still be an ace when he's making ace money?''

 

i'd say the chances peavy is still pitching like an ace while being paid like one is greater than the chances of dempster pitching like an ace while being paid like one.

[Electron Blue]

''I'm not ecstatic over that deal, especially for a team that has the pitching [the Cubs] have,'' said one longtime evaluator for a National League club, suggesting the Cubs would be better served using their resources to bring back Dempster and Wood. ''You've got to ask, will he still be an ace when he's making ace money?''

 

i'd say the chances peavy is still pitching like an ace while being paid like one is greater than the chances of dempster pitching like an ace while being paid like one.

 

agreed, and I'm suprised anyone would believe differently . . . particularly a purported professional "evaluator."

[SouthSideRyan]

Oh the Yankees are willing to trade the scraps they don't want anymore for Peavy?

[RammyFanny]

Nice to see they have catcher interest, leaving the Castillo option open.

[BigbadB]

Maybe a deal is already in place between the Padres and Cubs, but Angelos still has to sign off on it, and Peavy is his favorite player.

[gerby23]

Maybe a deal is already in place between the Padres and Cubs, but Angelos still has to sign off on it, and Peavy is his favorite player.

 

We're in trouble then

[ctcf]

So what exactly is going on here?

[BRASKYS SCOTCH]

So what exactly is going on here?

 

Waiting room shenanigans.

[BigbadB]

So what exactly is going on here?

 

GM's all over the world are colluding against the media and general public to not let trades be found out before they are officially announced.

[Clem Fandango]

Oh the Yankees are willing to trade the scraps they don't want anymore for Peavy?

 

Robinson Cano and Melky Cabrera are the Mantle and Maris of our generation, and they should command any team's #1 overall player in return for their services for just one of them, let alone both. That rumor must be bunk, we all know that Cabrera alone could net them Peavy easily, and the throw in to make it worth the Yankees effort should be Adrian Gonzalez. Throw Cano into the picture and then Tony Gwynn would have to step into a time machine, go back to his prime years, steal himself and take him into the time machine, and then go to present day and trade him as well in the deal. And on the way back through the years, they should've brought Fred McGriff, Gary Sheffield, and Trevor Hoffman as well while they were younger and in their primes. Then and only then, will the deal be equal... and even saying that might get me punched in the face for being so insulting to the Yankees

 

Why am I up so early on a day where I have nothing to do and why is everything dizzy?

[nilodnayr]

http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081111&content_id=3675469&vkey=news_atl&fext=.jsp&c_id=atl

If the Braves offer is so much greater than the Cubs why isn't a done deal? I think the Cubs can compete with any offer from the Braves unless they offer up some of their top prospects (Hanson). If the general feeling is that the Braves can overwhelm a Cubs offer, the you have to think the Padres/Cubs/Third Team? are trying to get something worked out. Maybe with news now that Grienke may be out in Kansas City there could be a deal getting him to San Diego?

 

I agree. So either the Braves offer isn't as good as what has been reported (meaning no Escobar or Hanson), or Peavy is specifically asking Towers to trade him to the Cubs and Towers is using the Braves to up the offer from the Cubs.

 

Or he wants to get another player from the braves

 

If it not Hanson/Schafer/Heyward then why haven't the Braves included the player (I would assume Locke is a choice)? So while that may be a scenerio, ryan, I doubt it is what keeping the Braves from getting Peavy.

 

Maybe because the braves dont think they have to?

 

Then I suggest the Braves remove themselves from the table. Cause if they are not willing to pay up for a pitcher like Peavy then they shouldn't get him. Not to mention if the Braves think that then they won't get Peavy.

 

Its called negotiating

[C.C.]

So what exactly is going on here?

 

Brain Roberts is still a Oriole.

[CUBZ99]

What is the latest from Bruce Levine?

[17 Seconds]

This thread reminded me of the Roberts stuff from last year so I went and checked out OH again just for fun. I saw a Roberts thread and one of the first posts I read was one from bigbird saying "Better than a 50% chance Roberts gets traded this offseason" followed by dozens of posts of people asking him for more info and details. Pretty funny.