Re: Week 3: Tampa at Bears noon on Fox

[Flames24Rulz]

Tommie Harris = most overrated player in the NFL.

 

He's not even 100%, is he?

I dunno, who cares. It was a supreme waste of money.

 

He's the best DT in football when he's healthy.

"When healty" being a key word.

 

That's true, but he deserved the deal that he got.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

And now he should fall under crticism for not producing #'s after signing such deal.

[Soul]

But whatever, go ahead and make excuses. I'm out of this thread.

 

Who's making excuses? At this point you're just baiting posters anyway.

 

It was a blown call, and absolutely something that Tillman can't let happen at that point in the game.

 

It sucks to have outplayed all three opponents to this point and be 1-2.

 

Yeah the sad thing is it should never have gotten to the Tillman penalty point of the game. There were so many chances to end this game in our favor it was ridiculous.

 

Although -- inability to close the deal, that's the hallmark of a team heading for a poor season. Even if they're playing well in some areas.

 

Maybe Love should forego the game film this week and show tape of the '08 Cubs and this year's US Ryder Cup team. That's how you close the deal with a lead :mrgreen:

[Hairyducked Idiot]

At what age does "he started it" stop becoming a valid excuse for doing something stupid and unprofessional?

 

I think Tillman's past it, whatever it is.

[RedFlash]

Did the Bears get screwed on the Tillman penalty? Of course they did. Anybody with a working brain-cell knows that the Buc player provoked the incident. With that said, the Bears screwed themselves worse then the refs. I mean how do you blow a 10 point lead at home to an offense that, IMO, is worse then the Bears? The fact is...the Bears deserve this loss, period.

 

With that said, even to I am not a backer of him, but if Orton doesn't have a good game next week, I think I am going to support putting Grossman back in as starter. So what you want about Grossman, but there ae passes Rex can make (let say, passes beyond 20 yrds) then Orton simply cannot make.

[UK1679666180]

The Bears deserved this loss.

 

How many times were they in a position to a score on a 20-25 yd. pass play in the 1st half and didn't even try? It has taken them almost 11 quarters to stretch the field on offense.

 

The defense gave Griese all day to throw the ball. It appeared that the disguise defense was working well early on and then they went away from it. The safeties had a bad day covering the TEs.

 

The Bears don't know how to finish games and that is because they play not to lose and instead of going for the kill, they want to watch the clock run out.

 

I can't believe someone mentioned cutting Tillman to make a point, I don't see how losing your best DB and one of your top defensive players is making a point, unless that point is how to get rid of one of your best players b/c of stupidity.

[Wilson A2000]

Did the Bears get screwed on the Tillman penalty? Of course they did. Anybody with a working brain-cell knows that the Buc player provoked the incident. With that said, the Bears screwed themselves worse then the refs. I mean how do you blow a 10 point lead at home to an offense that, IMO, is worse then the Bears? The fact is...the Bears deserve this loss, period.

 

With that said, even to I am not a backer of him, but if Orton doesn't have a good game next week, I think I am going to support putting Grossman back in as starter. So what you want about Grossman, but there ae passes Rex can make (let say, passes beyond 20 yrds) then Orton simply cannot make.

 

Kyle threw a much better deep ball today. It Rashied Davis could catch, the Bears would have won in overtime.

[Soul]

Did the Bears get screwed on the Tillman penalty? Of course they did. Anybody with a working brain-cell knows that the Buc player provoked the incident. With that said, the Bears screwed themselves worse then the refs. I mean how do you blow a 10 point lead at home to an offense that, IMO, is worse then the Bears? The fact is...the Bears deserve this loss, period.

 

With that said, even to I am not a backer of him, but if Orton doesn't have a good game next week, I think I am going to support putting Grossman back in as starter. So what you want about Grossman, but there ae passes Rex can make (let say, passes beyond 20 yrds) then Orton simply cannot make.

 

Kyle threw a much better deep ball today. It Rashied Davis could catch, the Bears would have won in overtime.

 

Inconsistency will dog him forever. And he earned the starting job because he was supposedly not going to piss away games on stupid interceptions. Yet that's exactly what he did today.

[CDBears1259]

Well that game sucked. The team should be 3-0, but I did meet Orton's mother-in-law. That was kind of cool.

[RedFlash]

It took 2 yrs for Bob Bachich (or what his name is) to destroyed what Ron Rivera built in Chicago for the defense. So how long before people start wanting Bachich's head on a platter? This defense hasn't been the same since Rivera left.

[UMFan83]

It took 2 yrs for Bob Bachich (or what his name is) to destroyed what Ron Rivera built in Chicago for the defense. So how long before people start wanting Bachich's head on a platter? This defense hasn't been the same since Rivera left.

 

2 years? It took 2 games...

[Outshined_One]

Did the Bears get screwed on the Tillman penalty? Of course they did. Anybody with a working brain-cell knows that the Buc player provoked the incident. With that said, the Bears screwed themselves worse then the refs. I mean how do you blow a 10 point lead at home to an offense that, IMO, is worse then the Bears? The fact is...the Bears deserve this loss, period.

 

With that said, even to I am not a backer of him, but if Orton doesn't have a good game next week, I think I am going to support putting Grossman back in as starter. So what you want about Grossman, but there ae passes Rex can make (let say, passes beyond 20 yrds) then Orton simply cannot make.

 

Kyle threw a much better deep ball today. It Rashied Davis could catch, the Bears would have won in overtime.

 

Orton can't hit a receiver in stride to save his life. His intended targets constantly had to slow down, stop, or make impressive plays because Orton has no arm strength and is always underthrowing his receivers.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

Did the Bears get screwed on the Tillman penalty? Of course they did. Anybody with a working brain-cell knows that the Buc player provoked the incident. With that said, the Bears screwed themselves worse then the refs. I mean how do you blow a 10 point lead at home to an offense that, IMO, is worse then the Bears? The fact is...the Bears deserve this loss, period.

 

With that said, even to I am not a backer of him, but if Orton doesn't have a good game next week, I think I am going to support putting Grossman back in as starter. So what you want about Grossman, but there ae passes Rex can make (let say, passes beyond 20 yrds) then Orton simply cannot make.

 

Kyle threw a much better deep ball today. It Rashied Davis could catch, the Bears would have won in overtime.

 

Orton can't hit a receiver in stride to save his life. His intended targets constantly had to slow down, stop, or make impressive plays because Orton has no arm strength and is always underthrowing his receivers.

 

Yep.. Orton wasnt the reason they lost though.

[Outshined_One]

Did the Bears get screwed on the Tillman penalty? Of course they did. Anybody with a working brain-cell knows that the Buc player provoked the incident. With that said, the Bears screwed themselves worse then the refs. I mean how do you blow a 10 point lead at home to an offense that, IMO, is worse then the Bears? The fact is...the Bears deserve this loss, period.

 

With that said, even to I am not a backer of him, but if Orton doesn't have a good game next week, I think I am going to support putting Grossman back in as starter. So what you want about Grossman, but there ae passes Rex can make (let say, passes beyond 20 yrds) then Orton simply cannot make.

 

Kyle threw a much better deep ball today. It Rashied Davis could catch, the Bears would have won in overtime.

 

Orton can't hit a receiver in stride to save his life. His intended targets constantly had to slow down, stop, or make impressive plays because Orton has no arm strength and is always underthrowing his receivers.

 

Yep.. Orton wasnt the reason they lost though.

 

There were a lot of reasons they lost. Orton deserves some of the blame, but compared to the defensive play-calling, bone-headed penalties, lack of defensive discipline, and complete lack of pressure on Griese, his blameworthiness was minimal.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

Did the Bears get screwed on the Tillman penalty? Of course they did. Anybody with a working brain-cell knows that the Buc player provoked the incident. With that said, the Bears screwed themselves worse then the refs. I mean how do you blow a 10 point lead at home to an offense that, IMO, is worse then the Bears? The fact is...the Bears deserve this loss, period.

 

With that said, even to I am not a backer of him, but if Orton doesn't have a good game next week, I think I am going to support putting Grossman back in as starter. So what you want about Grossman, but there ae passes Rex can make (let say, passes beyond 20 yrds) then Orton simply cannot make.

 

Kyle threw a much better deep ball today. It Rashied Davis could catch, the Bears would have won in overtime.

 

Orton can't hit a receiver in stride to save his life. His intended targets constantly had to slow down, stop, or make impressive plays because Orton has no arm strength and is always underthrowing his receivers.

 

Yep.. Orton wasnt the reason they lost though.

 

There were a lot of reasons they lost. Orton deserves some of the blame, but compared to the defensive play-calling, bone-headed penalties, lack of defensive discipline, and complete lack of pressure on Griese, his blameworthiness was minimal.

 

I just watched Orton's interception in the endzone, god lord Forte had at least five steps on the defender, Orton underthrew him... I thought the defensive play calling was fine, it was the execution that was garbage. The defense buys in to their own greatness, but they flat out cant finish games... Offense did its job today, finally. Well, in the second half they did.

[Soul]

Did any of you hear Vasher's comments? What a [expletive].

 

"We weren't going to take any mess," Vasher said. "Peanut's a physical player. Our defense, nobody's going to let anybody push another player around, that's the bottom line."

 

Yeah dumbass. And where did that get you? Oh and by the way, good job getting beat like a ragdoll by a midline receiver to set up the losing field goal.

 

Anyone else just about ready to be done with Vasher? He's sucked all year. How many more weeks does he get pass because he's "coming back from injury?" The man can't cover, and he can't catch anymore either. Right now, he's pretty much a complete and total liability.

[jersey cubs fan]

gosh freaking darnit

 

 

What a frustrating loss. They show just enough to make you think they can contend, but then the defense collapses at the end two games in a row. Stupid, stupid, stupid team.

[Soul]

I hate this team. Please keep winning things Cubs. It'll lessen the blow of having my heart ripped out every Sunday by this group.

[UMFan83]

gosh freaking darnit

 

 

What a frustrating loss. They show just enough to make you think they can contend, but then the defense collapses at the end two games in a row. Stupid, stupid, stupid team.

 

Someone talked about how if an otherwise mediocre team caught a couple of breaks, they can go 9-7 or 10-6 and make the playoffs, well those were our breaks this year. Starting out 3-0 would have given us an excellent shot at the playoffs. Starting 1-2 with 2 vs. GB, 2 vs. Min, Phi, NO, Jacksonville, etc left on the schedule is not good.

[Banedon]

At what age does "he started it" stop becoming a valid excuse for doing something stupid and unprofessional?

 

I think Tillman's past it, whatever it is.

 

I totally get that you're frustrated, and I agree it was a stupid thing for him to do....but the guy has what...4 forced fumbles already this year? Tillman makes some very visible mistakes sometimes, but he's one of the most valuable guys on this defense. Tillman was about one of 5 or 6 mistakes that could've iced this:

 

Desmond Clark dropped a pass on what...the one yard line that should've been easy.

 

Rashied Davis let that pass go right through his hands. If you want to start cutting people, he's a good place to start.

 

Robbie Gould missing a 49 yarder early in the 4th. Can't just make the easy ones Robbie. Gotta make a few tough kicks on occasion.

 

Total defensive collapse in the last 4th and OT. The whole team was winded. Makes me wonder about Lovie's camps. The hurry up offense destroyed them.

 

Where is Brian Urlacher? He's been almost completely invisible this season with one or two exceptions. Briggs meanwhile has been everywhere.

 

The O-line was bad at protection today. Orton had to scramble quite a bit. Seems like we can make holes for Forte (somewhat), but can't keep the line off the QB.

 

Zero sacks is completely unacceptable.

[UMFan83]

Does anyone else realize that the Bears defense is about 100 times more effective when they are attacking vs. when they are playing prevent style defense?

 

I can think of several games over the past few where the Bears D looked really good until they got a big lead and stopped blitzing. Granted the D-line was awful yesterday regardless, but its a trend that everyone should know about the Bears by now.

 

The comparisons to the 05 defense can stop. If this D has any comparison, its more similar to the 06 defense. Gives up a ton of yards, but also forces a ton of TOs. Can step up and play dominating defense on occasion.

[Banedon]

gosh freaking darnit

 

 

What a frustrating loss. They show just enough to make you think they can contend, but then the defense collapses at the end two games in a row. Stupid, stupid, stupid team.

 

Someone talked about how if an otherwise mediocre team caught a couple of breaks, they can go 9-7 or 10-6 and make the playoffs, well those were our breaks this year. Starting out 3-0 would have given us an excellent shot at the playoffs. Starting 1-2 with 2 vs. GB, 2 vs. Min, Phi, NO, Jacksonville, etc left on the schedule is not good.

 

Not disagreeing with you, but it should be noted that of the teams you mentioned, Minny, Jax, and NO all have the same record as us...with NO and Jax each having played 1 home game, like us...and Minny already having played 2 home games.

[Banedon]

Does anyone else realize that the Bears defense is about 100 times more effective when they are attacking vs. when they are playing prevent style defense?

 

I can think of several games over the past few where the Bears D looked really good until they got a big lead and stopped blitzing. Granted the D-line was awful yesterday regardless, but its a trend that everyone should know about the Bears by now.

 

The comparisons to the 05 defense can stop. If this D has any comparison, its more similar to the 06 defense. Gives up a ton of yards, but also forces a ton of TOs. Can step up and play dominating defense on occasion.

 

Is that because of the play style, or because they're out of gas? Probably both.

[BigbadB]

I don't know how anyone can point fingers at Tillman for this loss. Granted, what he did was stupid, but it takes a team effort to lose a game.

 

Charger fans blame Ucheli for his premature whistle last week for why they lost their game. I quick look at the box score and the 500 yards of offense the Broncos generated is why the Chargers lost. Cutler easily charged the Broncos offense down the field before he fumbled (without being touched). Had the fluky fumble never happened, the Broncos would have scored easily. So, to blame that official when your defense played that badly is a joke.

 

Same thing yesterday. The defense didn't play well enough to win. Tampa quit running the ball almost entirely in the second half, yet the defense couldn't figure out how to prevent the Bucs from marching down the field with a QB that wasn't good enough to be resigned by the Bears.

 

Better luck next week.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't know how anyone can point fingers at Tillman for this loss. Granted, what he did was stupid, but it takes a team effort to lose a game.

 

Charger fans blame Ucheli for his premature whistle last week for why they lost their game. I quick look at the box score and the 500 yards of offense the Broncos generated is why the Chargers lost. Cutler easily charged the Broncos offense down the field before he fumbled (without being touched). Had the fluky fumble never happened, the Broncos would have scored easily. So, to blame that official when your defense played that badly is a joke.

 

Same thing yesterday. The defense didn't play well enough to win. Tampa quit running the ball almost entirely in the second half, yet the defense couldn't figure out how to prevent the Bucs from marching down the field with a QB that wasn't good enough to be resigned by the Bears.

Better luck next week.

 

Well, Tillman is a part of that pass defense that couldn't stop Griese. I don't think anybody is putting the blame solely on Tillman, but he deserves fingers pointed his way. That was stupidity that has, unfortunately, been a familar site for Bears fans. What I don't get is putting a ton of blame on Orton. The INT TD was horrible, but Orton did as much as anybody could have expected coming into the season. Everybody said the defense was good enough to win games if the offense was just average, and the offense was more or less fine.