Jim Edmonds Signs With Cubs, Pie to AAA

[brjones]

I'm not an Edmonds fan...but given that Pie is probably not going to play regularly, I don't really understand what the big downside is.

 

And in all fairness, Edmonds' .227 BABIP is ridiculously low for a guy with a LD% of 22.4% so far this year. If Lee or Soto or Murton had such an unlucky BABIP, a lot of people here would be pointing it out.

[imb]

Please, just promise that you will stake make gay jokes all the time no matter how well he does. Make sure to constantly talk about how much he likes playing with Wood, get it? It's funny, like when he played with Pujols. Also, any time he makes a good play, say it sucked because any other center fielder would have had it.

 

How's the weather up on your high horse?

 

It's nice. A little humid, but nice.

 

You're embarrassing all the other AD fans with this nonsense

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm not an Edmonds fan...but given that Pie is probably not going to play regularly, I don't really understand what the big downside is.

 

And in all fairness, Edmonds' .227 BABIP is ridiculously low for a guy with a LD% of 22.4% so far this year. If Lee or Soto or Murton had such an unlucky BABIP, a lot of people here would be pointing it out.

 

The frustration mostly stems from the fact that they won't play Pie regularly, and there's no damn reason for it.

[Schwarber Fan]

Article about Z/Edmonds that makes me nervous:

 

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/05/edmonds-and-zam.html

[Magnetic Curses]

I'm not an Edmonds fan...but given that Pie is probably not going to play regularly, I don't really understand what the big downside is.

 

And in all fairness, Edmonds' .227 BABIP is ridiculously low for a guy with a LD% of 22.4% so far this year. If Lee or Soto or Murton had such an unlucky BABIP, a lot of people here would be pointing it out.

 

The frustration mostly stems from the fact that they won't play Pie regularly, and there's no damn reason for it.

 

and the impending edmonds signing does little to effect pie's non-existent playing time. i hate to say it, because i hate the expression, but he might as well get some plate appearances somewhere.

[Vanilla Ice]

I'm lost for words. On one hand, he's hated, so the hell with him. On the other hand, he wants to stick it to the Cards and probably hates them, so that's nice. On my third hand, he sucks, so he's got that working against him. Bleh.

 

=D>

 

please tell me this was intentional

[wolf stansson]

Well, since you volunteered to be such a smart ass without being addressed......your mindless tripe never has any meaningful baseball insight. Have you ever even played the game? Or do you just like watching it in mom's basement?

Ok, come clean. This is somebody's joke account, right? Tree? abuck? IMB? Rocket? Vance? Sulley? USS?

 

Who is it?

Mods, check the IP, nobody is this much of a caricature. I mean, come on, Don Kessinger sucked.

[Vanilla Ice]

Well, since you volunteered to be such a smart ass without being addressed......your mindless tripe never has any meaningful baseball insight. Have you ever even played the game? Or do you just like watching it in mom's basement?

Ok, come clean. This is somebody's joke account, right? Tree? abuck? IMB? Rocket? Vance? Sulley? USS?

 

Who is it?

Mods, check the IP, nobody is this much of a caricature. I mean, come on, Don Kessinger sucked.

that's what i thought

 

but how does a joke account get to 3000ish posts?

[Tyrant]

I'm lost for words. On one hand, he's hated, so the hell with him. On the other hand, he wants to stick it to the Cards and probably hates them, so that's nice. On my third hand, he sucks, so he's got that working against him. Bleh.

 

=D>

 

please tell me this was intentional

 

You're thinking of "third leg."

[cubbyvirus00]

PREDICTION:

 

Cubs sign Edmonds and then promptly go into a 20 game losing streak. Fans freaking out blame the Edmonds signing. Sportscenter points out the signing, and thus gives more airtime to the Billy Goat curse.

 

Cobs miss the playoffs, players are traded, Armageddon then starts.

[Wilson A2000]

The frustration mostly stems from the fact that they won't play Pie regularly, and there's no damn reason for it.

 

What's Pie hitting again?

[davearm2]

The frustration mostly stems from the fact that they won't play Pie regularly, and there's no damn reason for it.

 

What's Pie hitting again?

This whole "Pie just needs at-bats" war cry is beginning to sound suspiciously like, "but we'll make it up in volume".

[imb]

At this point, anyone who still needs the Pie argument spelled out for them is basically not worth it in the first place.

 

Unless you're convinced that Reed Johnson has somehow magically figured out how to make pitchers hit him with a baseball, there's no reason for Pie not to be in the lineup against right handed pitchers. Now, you throw washed-up Jim Edmonds into the mix - who has been worse than Pie, thank you very much - and it's just a complete head scratcher.

[Yeti]

Well, since you volunteered to be such a smart ass without being addressed......your mindless tripe never has any meaningful baseball insight. Have you ever even played the game? Or do you just like watching it in mom's basement?

Ok, come clean. This is somebody's joke account, right? Tree? abuck? IMB? Rocket? Vance? Sulley? USS?

 

Who is it?

Mods, check the IP, nobody is this much of a caricature. I mean, come on, Don Kessinger sucked.

don's been a member of the board for almost as long as i have...he's for real...who's joke account are you?

[davearm2]

At this point, anyone who still needs the Pie argument spelled out for them is basically not worth it in the first place.

 

Unless you're convinced that Reed Johnson has somehow magically figured out how to make pitchers hit him with a baseball, there's no reason for Pie not to be in the lineup against right handed pitchers. Now, you throw washed-up Jim Edmonds into the mix - who has been worse than Pie, thank you very much - and it's just a complete head scratcher.

Speaking just for myself, the problem I have is with the (seemingly) prevailing assumption that Pie is the solution, and all that's needed is time and opportunity.

 

Nowhere do I see anyone contemplating the possibility that the solution to the problem of who to play in CF against RHP is neither Pie, nor Edmonds, nor Johnson.

 

Now perhaps given 5 starts a week, Pie could become this year's Pedroia or Tulowitzki. It's certainly possible.

 

More possible, IMO, is that despite the defensive advantages he can offer, Pie remains a liability for a contending team. The guy's just not good at all right now offensively, and expecting significant improvement is really nothing more than an act of blind faith that any minute now, his MiLB success will translate to MLB success. Maybe it will, but maybe it won't.

 

If nothing else, one thing we should recognize about Lou is that he's not one to sit on his hands and hope what isn't working suddenly will start to work.

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

Don't know if this was mentioned earlier but before the Cards acquired him from the Angels, the talk was that the Cubs were seriously thinking about trading for him. That would have been really interesting huh, if we had gotten him from the Angels?

[RedFlash]

If nothing else, one thing we should recognize about Lou is that he's not one to sit on his hands and hope what isn't working suddenly will start to work.

 

IDK how long Piniella is going to give Edmonds to get going, but if Edmonds continues to slump, I pretty confident Piniella will have him released pretty quickly, and Pie brought back up.

[imb]

At this point, anyone who still needs the Pie argument spelled out for them is basically not worth it in the first place.

 

Unless you're convinced that Reed Johnson has somehow magically figured out how to make pitchers hit him with a baseball, there's no reason for Pie not to be in the lineup against right handed pitchers. Now, you throw washed-up Jim Edmonds into the mix - who has been worse than Pie, thank you very much - and it's just a complete head scratcher.

Speaking just for myself, the problem I have is with the (seemingly) prevailing assumption that Pie is the solution, and all that's needed is time and opportunity.

 

Nowhere do I see anyone contemplating the possibility that the solution to the problem of who to play in CF against RHP is neither Pie, nor Edmonds, nor Johnson.

 

Now perhaps given 5 starts a week, Pie could become this year's Pedroia or Tulowitzki. It's certainly possible.

 

More possible, IMO, is that despite the defensive advantages he can offer, Pie remains a liability for a contending team. The guy's just not good at all right now offensively, and expecting significant improvement is really nothing more than an act of blind faith that any minute now, his MiLB success will translate to MLB success. Maybe it will, but maybe it won't.

 

If nothing else, one thing we should recognize about Lou is that he's not one to sit on his hands and hope what isn't working suddenly will start to work.

 

We've got three options against RHP

 

Reed Johnson - a 31 year old OPSing .643 this year, .729 in his three-year against RHP

Jim Edmonds - 37 years old, OPSing .533 this year, .755 last year (to be fair, his three-year's are good, because he crushed before falling off the map last year)

Felix Pie - a 23 year old that is a better defender than Johnson or Edmonds and has succeeded after a learning curve at every level.

 

Basically, you know that Johnson is going to be mediocre, you assume that Edmonds, with his injury past and age, will be average at best, worse than mediocre at worst, but that Pie as a chance to be more than that.

 

Pie, at his worst, most terrible, "send his ass back to Iowa" stint has still not been as bad as Edmonds this year. When these three guys are your options, you owe it to yourself to give the one that actually might not suck a chance, and Pie hasn't seen that yet.

[inari]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/deluca/948313,CST-SPT-deluca14.article

 

Just another article on Edmonds. It says that his signing will probably be announced after the game tonight.

[CubmanPi]

Maybe the Padres can cut Estes too - then we'll finally have an option available so Marquis doesn't have to stay in the rotation.

[RedFlash]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/deluca/948313,CST-SPT-deluca14.article

 

Just another article on Edmonds. It says that his signing will probably be announced after the game tonight.

 

If he doesn't come out hitting, Cubs fans will be on him, like Kirstie Alley on a cupcake. He'll get the Jacques Jones treatment. So, my advice for Jim Edmonds will be to hit, hit, hit till the end of October. But like many, I have low expectations for Edmonds, and it wouldn't surprise me if he isn't released by the end of May.

 

But I find this statement interesting:

 

If Edmonds is a bust, look for Kosuke Fukudome, who has approved such a move, to get more time in center to give Johnson the occasional break.

[JimSorgi]

 

But I find this statement interesting:

 

If Edmonds is a bust, look for Kosuke Fukudome, who has approved such a move, to get more time in center to give Johnson the occasional break.

wowowowowowow...Well, I guess our 23 year old CF couldn't be called up. That would make too much sense. I really really really really really really really really really really hate this team.

[treebird]

IS NOTHING SACRED?

[Amazing_Grace]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/deluca/948313,CST-SPT-deluca14.article

 

Just another article on Edmonds. It says that his signing will probably be announced after the game tonight.

 

If he doesn't come out hitting, Cubs fans will be on him, like Kirstie Alley on a cupcake. He'll get the Jacques Jones treatment. So, my advice for Jim Edmonds will be to hit, hit, hit till the end of October. But like many, I have low expectations for Edmonds, and it wouldn't surprise me if he isn't released by the end of May.

 

But I find this statement interesting:

 

If Edmonds is a bust, look for Kosuke Fukudome, who has approved such a move, to get more time in center to give Johnson the occasional break.

 

This doesn't surprise me at all. I think the Cubs brass are remembering the CPatt situation and what a nightmare it was. I think that based on the similarities of the two (struggling early, no plate discipline), they have concluded that Pie won't develop fast enough to be useful to them this season and intend to deal him at the deadline, probably for a SP. They figure if Edmonds works out great, and if not, we'll go after a RF at the deadline and move Kosuke to CF.

 

As for Kosuke being willing to move positions, that doesn't surprise me. The Japanese players have always seemed to be more willing to put the good of the team above their own.

[soapy]

At this point, anyone who still needs the Pie argument spelled out for them is basically not worth it in the first place.

 

Unless you're convinced that Reed Johnson has somehow magically figured out how to make pitchers hit him with a baseball, there's no reason for Pie not to be in the lineup against right handed pitchers. Now, you throw washed-up Jim Edmonds into the mix - who has been worse than Pie, thank you very much - and it's just a complete head scratcher.

Speaking just for myself, the problem I have is with the (seemingly) prevailing assumption that Pie is the solution, and all that's needed is time and opportunity.

 

Nowhere do I see anyone contemplating the possibility that the solution to the problem of who to play in CF against RHP is neither Pie, nor Edmonds, nor Johnson.

 

Now perhaps given 5 starts a week, Pie could become this year's Pedroia or Tulowitzki. It's certainly possible.

 

More possible, IMO, is that despite the defensive advantages he can offer, Pie remains a liability for a contending team. The guy's just not good at all right now offensively, and expecting significant improvement is really nothing more than an act of blind faith that any minute now, his MiLB success will translate to MLB success. Maybe it will, but maybe it won't.

 

If nothing else, one thing we should recognize about Lou is that he's not one to sit on his hands and hope what isn't working suddenly will start to work.

 

This doesn't make sense. If Pie is a liability, then what the hell is Johnson? He's worse than Pie against RHP. Edmonds is likely to be equal to or worse than Pie.