Jim Edmonds Signs With Cubs, Pie to AAA

[soapy]

 

But I find this statement interesting:

 

If Edmonds is a bust, look for Kosuke Fukudome, who has approved such a move, to get more time in center to give Johnson the occasional break.

Jesus. What a freaking joke.

[Roast]

 

But I find this statement interesting:

 

If Edmonds is a bust, look for Kosuke Fukudome, who has approved such a move, to get more time in center to give Johnson the occasional break.

Jesus. What a freaking joke.

Oh my god. Did Pie kill lou's puppy or something? Good lord.

[E.J.]

Did we sign this rat yet?

[Soul]

Did we sign this rat yet?

 

Nah. It's daylight. The cockroaches come out at night.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Why does nobody seem to realise that The CUbs are not giving up on Pie? If the Cubs were giving up on Pie, they would go after Coco Crisp or Norris Hopper, not an injury prone 38 year old.

 

Hopefully Felix will light up Iowa, and in September or whenever Edmonds or Johnson get injured, and going by their hostories, one of them will go down, Felix will be back.

[soapy]

i look forward to the acquisition being announced during, or right before, the game. followed closely by Len and Bob attempting to justify said move. thank God i have a basketball game tonight. i think i'll avoid recording this one.

[davearm2]

At this point, anyone who still needs the Pie argument spelled out for them is basically not worth it in the first place.

 

Unless you're convinced that Reed Johnson has somehow magically figured out how to make pitchers hit him with a baseball, there's no reason for Pie not to be in the lineup against right handed pitchers. Now, you throw washed-up Jim Edmonds into the mix - who has been worse than Pie, thank you very much - and it's just a complete head scratcher.

Speaking just for myself, the problem I have is with the (seemingly) prevailing assumption that Pie is the solution, and all that's needed is time and opportunity.

 

Nowhere do I see anyone contemplating the possibility that the solution to the problem of who to play in CF against RHP is neither Pie, nor Edmonds, nor Johnson.

 

Now perhaps given 5 starts a week, Pie could become this year's Pedroia or Tulowitzki. It's certainly possible.

 

More possible, IMO, is that despite the defensive advantages he can offer, Pie remains a liability for a contending team. The guy's just not good at all right now offensively, and expecting significant improvement is really nothing more than an act of blind faith that any minute now, his MiLB success will translate to MLB success. Maybe it will, but maybe it won't.

 

If nothing else, one thing we should recognize about Lou is that he's not one to sit on his hands and hope what isn't working suddenly will start to work.

 

This doesn't make sense. If Pie is a liability, then what the hell is Johnson? He's worse than Pie against RHP. Edmonds is likely to be equal to or worse than Pie.

Of course it makes sense. The best option can still be a liability.

[soapy]

Why does nobody seem to realise that The CUbs are not giving up on Pie? If the Cubs were giving up on Pie, they would go after Coco Crisp or Norris Hopper, not an injury prone 38 year old.

 

Hopefully Felix will light up Iowa, and in September or whenever Edmonds or Johnson get injured, and going by their hostories, one of them will go down, Felix will be back.

 

because there is seemingly nothing left for Pie to prove or accomplish in Iowa. he dominated there for two years and still struggled when given (sporadic) time with the Cubs. he needs to be given time to adjust to MLB pitching. going back down and demolishing the PCL pitchers won't accomplish anything except unnecessarily delaying his development even further.

 

they are winning and scoring runs with almost no production in CF against RHP. there is literally no better time for them to stick with Felix and let him take his lumps and adjust. they can afford it right now. who knows if they can in September or in 2009? it is absolutely the perfect time for him to be out there. if they aren't willing to do that now, then i have to wonder if they ever will be.

[davearm2]

At this point, anyone who still needs the Pie argument spelled out for them is basically not worth it in the first place.

 

Unless you're convinced that Reed Johnson has somehow magically figured out how to make pitchers hit him with a baseball, there's no reason for Pie not to be in the lineup against right handed pitchers. Now, you throw washed-up Jim Edmonds into the mix - who has been worse than Pie, thank you very much - and it's just a complete head scratcher.

Speaking just for myself, the problem I have is with the (seemingly) prevailing assumption that Pie is the solution, and all that's needed is time and opportunity.

 

Nowhere do I see anyone contemplating the possibility that the solution to the problem of who to play in CF against RHP is neither Pie, nor Edmonds, nor Johnson.

 

Now perhaps given 5 starts a week, Pie could become this year's Pedroia or Tulowitzki. It's certainly possible.

 

More possible, IMO, is that despite the defensive advantages he can offer, Pie remains a liability for a contending team. The guy's just not good at all right now offensively, and expecting significant improvement is really nothing more than an act of blind faith that any minute now, his MiLB success will translate to MLB success. Maybe it will, but maybe it won't.

 

If nothing else, one thing we should recognize about Lou is that he's not one to sit on his hands and hope what isn't working suddenly will start to work.

 

We've got three options against RHP

 

Reed Johnson - a 31 year old OPSing .643 this year, .729 in his three-year against RHP

Jim Edmonds - 37 years old, OPSing .533 this year, .755 last year (to be fair, his three-year's are good, because he crushed before falling off the map last year)

Felix Pie - a 23 year old that is a better defender than Johnson or Edmonds and has succeeded after a learning curve at every level.

 

Basically, you know that Johnson is going to be mediocre, you assume that Edmonds, with his injury past and age, will be average at best, worse than mediocre at worst, but that Pie as a chance to be more than that.

 

Pie, at his worst, most terrible, "send his ass back to Iowa" stint has still not been as bad as Edmonds this year. When these three guys are your options, you owe it to yourself to give the one that actually might not suck a chance, and Pie hasn't seen that yet.

I understand the argument perfectly.

 

Where the Cubs' perspective seems to differ from yours is a) Pie has had a chance, and b) Edmonds might not suck.

 

I think it's at least plausible to take the position that we're going to try something new that might not work (Edmonds), instead of continuing to hope what has already proven not to work will suddenly start working (Pie).

 

Personally, I would stick with Pie. But I can understand the rationale for going the other direction too. And from what we know of Lou, the "try something new" approach is exactly what should be expected.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Please don't let this crapola come to pass.

[davearm2]

Why does nobody seem to realise that The CUbs are not giving up on Pie? If the Cubs were giving up on Pie, they would go after Coco Crisp or Norris Hopper, not an injury prone 38 year old.

 

Hopefully Felix will light up Iowa, and in September or whenever Edmonds or Johnson get injured, and going by their hostories, one of them will go down, Felix will be back.

 

because there is seemingly nothing left for Pie to prove or accomplish in Iowa. he dominated there for two years and still struggled when given (sporadic) time with the Cubs. he needs to be given time to adjust to MLB pitching. going back down and demolishing the PCL pitchers won't accomplish anything except unnecessarily delaying his development even further.

 

they are winning and scoring runs with almost no production in CF against RHP. there is literally no better time for them to stick with Felix and let him take his lumps and adjust. they can afford it right now. who knows if they can in September or in 2009? it is absolutely the perfect time for him to be out there. if they aren't willing to do that now, then i have to wonder if they ever will be.

It'll be interesting to see how opinions change if Pie doesn't light up AAA pitching again.

 

Everyone seems to assume that's what will happen, but it's far from certain.

 

Hopefully it doesn't come to that.

[E.J.]

Please don't let this crapola come to pass.

 

It's pretty much a given at this point. Better move past the denial into the anger stage. I doubt the acceptance stage will come anytime soon though.

[jersey cubs fan]

Where the Cubs' perspective seems to differ from yours is a) Pie has had a chance, and b) Edmonds might not suck.

.

 

And only an idiot would believe that, because Pie has not had anything resembling a chance and Edmonds is a lock to suck.

[soapy]

Why does nobody seem to realise that The CUbs are not giving up on Pie? If the Cubs were giving up on Pie, they would go after Coco Crisp or Norris Hopper, not an injury prone 38 year old.

 

Hopefully Felix will light up Iowa, and in September or whenever Edmonds or Johnson get injured, and going by their hostories, one of them will go down, Felix will be back.

 

because there is seemingly nothing left for Pie to prove or accomplish in Iowa. he dominated there for two years and still struggled when given (sporadic) time with the Cubs. he needs to be given time to adjust to MLB pitching. going back down and demolishing the PCL pitchers won't accomplish anything except unnecessarily delaying his development even further.

 

they are winning and scoring runs with almost no production in CF against RHP. there is literally no better time for them to stick with Felix and let him take his lumps and adjust. they can afford it right now. who knows if they can in September or in 2009? it is absolutely the perfect time for him to be out there. if they aren't willing to do that now, then i have to wonder if they ever will be.

It'll be interesting to see how opinions change if Pie doesn't light up AAA pitching again.

 

Everyone seems to assume that's what will happen, but it's far from certain.

 

Hopefully it doesn't come to that.

 

it's definitely not certain. but all evidence suggests he will, just as he has the last two years.

[RynoRules]

Where the Cubs' perspective seems to differ from yours is a) Pie has had a chance, and b) Edmonds might not suck.

.

 

And only an idiot would believe that, because Pie has not had anything resembling a chance and Edmonds is a lock to suck.

 

While I don't like this move, I think that is an overstatement.

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

Please don't let this crapola come to pass.

 

I agree Vance but I think it will happen. I don't think however, that Edmonds will last the Summer with the Cubs. Any perdictions on how long Jimmy E. will last? I predict a couple of months--tops.

[davearm2]

Where the Cubs' perspective seems to differ from yours is a) Pie has had a chance, and b) Edmonds might not suck.

.

 

And only an idiot would believe that, because Pie has not had anything resembling a chance and Edmonds is a lock to suck.

Well here's hoping Edmonds sucks as much as Theriot was guaranteed to.

[jersey cubs fan]

Where the Cubs' perspective seems to differ from yours is a) Pie has had a chance, and b) Edmonds might not suck.

.

 

And only an idiot would believe that, because Pie has not had anything resembling a chance and Edmonds is a lock to suck.

 

While I don't like this move, I think that is an overstatement.

 

How? The Cubs benched Pie in week 1. They said at the time it was about his health and LHP, but people who pay attention suspected otherwise, and they were proven right immediately. Jim Edmonds is done. They've got old men who know the name Jim Edmonds and remember he was good with the Cardinals, but don't realize how beat to crap his body is and how the post-concussion syndrome essentially sped up the end of his career. They are throwing crap against a wall and think they are smart for doing it because "there's little downside". They don't even realize that Reed Johnson has bad numbers for the entire year, pathetic numbers in May.

[soapy]

They are throwing crap against a wall and think they are smart for doing it because "there's little downside".

 

yes, i also have a big problem with this. of course there is downside. significant downside. they are (going to be) further delaying Pie's development unnecessarily. i'll say it again (and probably again later), there is absolutely no better time than now for Pie to be out there getting a chance to adjust.

[Derwood]

too bad Lou has successfully bullied the local media into not asking him any tough questions about anything. with all due respect to Bruce and his fellow reporters, it seems like Lou has created an environment of "question me about anything and i'm out the door" in the press room after games.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

If Edmonds is a bust, look for Kosuke Fukudome, who has approved such a move, to get more time in center to give Johnson the occasional break.

 

I HATE THIS TEAM.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Please don't let this crapola come to pass.

 

This is going by rotoworld.

 

A few days ago, The Cubs were CONSIDERING Jim Edmonds.

Yesterday, the Cubs were EXPECTED to sign Jim Edmonds.

Today, The Cubs WILL sign Jim Edmonds.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Why does nobody seem to realise that The CUbs are not giving up on Pie? If the Cubs were giving up on Pie, they would go after Coco Crisp or Norris Hopper, not an injury prone 38 year old.

 

Hopefully Felix will light up Iowa, and in September or whenever Edmonds or Johnson get injured, and going by their hostories, one of them will go down, Felix will be back.

 

because there is seemingly nothing left for Pie to prove or accomplish in Iowa. he dominated there for two years and still struggled when given (sporadic) time with the Cubs. he needs to be given time to adjust to MLB pitching. going back down and demolishing the PCL pitchers won't accomplish anything except unnecessarily delaying his development even further.

 

they are winning and scoring runs with almost no production in CF against RHP. there is literally no better time for them to stick with Felix and let him take his lumps and adjust. they can afford it right now. who knows if they can in September or in 2009? it is absolutely the perfect time for him to be out there. if they aren't willing to do that now, then i have to wonder if they ever will be.

 

Everyone keeps putting up that arguement that he has nothing left to prove or accomplish. Its not about proving or accomplishing anymore. Its about getting reps, regular playing time, and confidence.

[Derwood]

Why does nobody seem to realise that The CUbs are not giving up on Pie? If the Cubs were giving up on Pie, they would go after Coco Crisp or Norris Hopper, not an injury prone 38 year old.

 

Hopefully Felix will light up Iowa, and in September or whenever Edmonds or Johnson get injured, and going by their hostories, one of them will go down, Felix will be back.

 

because there is seemingly nothing left for Pie to prove or accomplish in Iowa. he dominated there for two years and still struggled when given (sporadic) time with the Cubs. he needs to be given time to adjust to MLB pitching. going back down and demolishing the PCL pitchers won't accomplish anything except unnecessarily delaying his development even further.

 

they are winning and scoring runs with almost no production in CF against RHP. there is literally no better time for them to stick with Felix and let him take his lumps and adjust. they can afford it right now. who knows if they can in September or in 2009? it is absolutely the perfect time for him to be out there. if they aren't willing to do that now, then i have to wonder if they ever will be.

 

Everyone keeps putting up that arguement that he has nothing left to prove or accomplish. Its not about proving or accomplishing anymore. Its about getting reps, regular playing time, and confidence.

 

he needs reps, regular playing time and confidence in the majors.

[jersey cubs fan]

Everyone keeps putting up that arguement that he has nothing left to prove or accomplish. Its not about proving or accomplishing anymore. Its about getting reps, regular playing time, and confidence.

 

And the only rational way for that to happen is for them to give him that time now, in the majors. Sitting him against RHP for Reed Johnson this season was a horrible decision to start, and the numbers back that up. There's no reason why Felix can't get 450+ PA this season. None.