Cedeno Over Cintron / Fontenot Over Murton - Paul Sullivan

[apete6]

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/03/cedeno-chosen-o.html

 

Doesn't say if Cintron was released or would be sent to AAA, but his locker is apparently cleaned out.

Edited March 26, 2008 by apete6

[Banedon]

What's the option situation on Murton and Fontenot since they're the last 2 uncertainties? Can either of them be sent down without going through waivers first?

[Proven Veteran]

Good, now we just need a Cedeno over Theriot thread.

[UMFan83]

Hmm...

 

1.Theriot

2.Soriano

3.Lee

4.Ramirez

5.Fukudome

6.Soto

7.DeRosa

8.Pie

 

9.Zambrano

10.Hill

11.Lilly

12.Marquis

13.Dempster

 

14.Lieber

15.Wuertz

16.Marmol

17.Wood

18.Howry

19.Hart

 

20.Ward

21.Blanco

22.Cedeno

23.Johnson

24.Murton

 

Thats 24 spots. I am assuming Pignatello also gets a bullpen spot, but I find it hard to believe the Cubs want to start the season with 13 pitchers. There has to be another move thats made to get rid of Marquis/Dempster/Lieber. Maybe the Cubs told Cintron to accept a AAA assignment until they get rid of Marquis and then he will be brought up to make the 25th spot.

 

Edit: Also I suppose a Murton trade would clear that spot as well.

[JeffH]

Read the article, guys. Fontenot in, Murton out.

[UMFan83]

Read the article, guys. Fontenot in, Murton out.

 

They just updated it.

 

Not at all a big fan of this move. Please, its at the point where I know we will get burned in this eventually, but trade Murton because I feel bad for him personally. He seems like a great guy and does not deserve the treatment he's gotten. There is no question that Murton should be a major leaguer.

[jersey cubs fan]

Hmm...

 

1.Theriot

2.Soriano

3.Lee

4.Ramirez

5.Fukudome

6.Soto

7.DeRosa

8.Pie

 

9.Zambrano

10.Hill

11.Lilly

12.Marquis

13.Dempster

 

14.Lieber

15.Wuertz

16.Marmol

17.Wood

18.Howry

19.Hart

 

20.Ward

21.Blanco

22.Cedeno

23.Johnson

24.Murton

 

Thats 24 spots. I am assuming Pignatello also gets a bullpen spot, but I find it hard to believe the Cubs want to start the season with 13 pitchers. There has to be another move thats made to get rid of Marquis/Dempster/Lieber. Maybe the Cubs told Cintron to accept a AAA assignment until they get rid of Marquis and then he will be brought up to make the 25th spot.

 

Edit: Also I suppose a Murton trade would clear that spot as well.

 

You have 11 pitchers listed. Lou has all but guaranteed a spot for Marshall. That's 12.

[UMFan83]

Hmm...

 

1.Theriot

2.Soriano

3.Lee

4.Ramirez

5.Fukudome

6.Soto

7.DeRosa

8.Pie

 

9.Zambrano

10.Hill

11.Lilly

12.Marquis

13.Dempster

 

14.Lieber

15.Wuertz

16.Marmol

17.Wood

18.Howry

19.Hart

20. Marshall

 

21.Ward

22.Blanco

23.Cedeno

24.Johnson

25.Fontenot

 

Thats 24 spots. I am assuming Pignatello also gets a bullpen spot, but I find it hard to believe the Cubs want to start the season with 13 pitchers. There has to be another move thats made to get rid of Marquis/Dempster/Lieber. Maybe the Cubs told Cintron to accept a AAA assignment until they get rid of Marquis and then he will be brought up to make the 25th spot.

 

Edit: Also I suppose a Murton trade would clear that spot as well.

 

You have 11 pitchers listed. Lou has all but guaranteed a spot for Marshall. That's 12.

 

OK Fixed.... Is Marshall going to be our LOOGY? I am almost positive Lou said recently that Hart would make the team.

[jersey cubs fan]

What's the option situation on Murton and Fontenot since they're the last 2 uncertainties? Can either of them be sent down without going through waivers first?

 

Looking back at his career, Murton was first called up in 2005, and I believe that was when he was first added to the 40-man roster. He played all of 2006 in the majors, meaning he was never optioned, but he was optioned in 2007. That would mean, I think, that he as 2 option years remaining. Unless I'm forgetting about some rule that eliminates an option year after a certain amount of major league service time.

[UMFan83]

This is one of the big reasons the Cubs can't develop positional players.

 

We have a player like Murton come up, and we purposely block him because we don't want to give him the opportunity to play anywhere. Sure he's not the best defensive player and would make a much better DH, but the man has hit every time he's been given a shot.

 

Now we have Felix Pie, and already we've signed someone to take ABs away from him. For cripes sakes, let the kid play. We have 3 players with 40 HR potential in our lineup, a Japan league MVP, a ROY favorite, and a super-utility player that many people dubbed our X-factor last year. We can't find 550 ABs for your top prospect 4 years in a row?

 

I understand we've been burned when we let players play (CPatt, Cedeno), but geez at some point you gotta let people play.

[brinoch]

I strongly agree, UMFan.

[haltz]

It's actually option years, not options.

 

When you hear that a player is "out of options," that means he's been on the 40-man roster during three different seasons, beginning with his fourth as a pro, and to be sent down again he'll have to clear waivers (more on those below).

http://espn.go.com/mlb/s/transanctionsprimer.html

 

Murton gets a fourth because of this:

 

* A player who is currently entering his fourth or fifth pro season and already has been optioned in three separate years gets a fourth option. Delmon Young has been optioned in three years (2004, 2005, 2006) and he'll get a fourth option in 2007, which he's doing his best to earn.

* A player who has missed one or more seasons to injury - meaning an entire season, or enough time to accrue fewer than 90 days on an active roster - may get a fourth option if, exclusive of those injury-shortened years, he has fewer than five full seasons in pro ball. A season in which he's on an active roster for 60 days or more and then gets hurt still counts as a full season, but a season in which he's hurt and then comes back and gets 60-89 days of service after the injury does not.

* Seasons spent entirely in short-season leagues (the New-York Penn, Northwest, Pioneer, Appalachian, Gulf Coast, and Arizona Rookie Leagues, as well as the Dominican and Venezuelan Summer Leagues) don't count as seasons for the purposes of a fourth option.

http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2006/08/death_taxes_and_1.php

 

He spent 2003 playing NYP ball.

Edited March 26, 2008 by haltz

[Derwood]

time for Murton to OPS 1.000 in AAA but never get called up

[Soul]

Crap, I don't like what's happening to Murton's career. But at least he'll get some damn ABs down there.

[Guest]

Read the article, guys. Fontenot in, Murton out.

 

Awful.

 

I'll just second (third?) what UMF said.

 

At least I like the decision in the thread title.

[davearm2]

Read the article, guys. Fontenot in, Murton out.

 

Awful.

 

I'll just second (third?) what UMF said.

 

At least I like the decision in the thread title.

Murton to AAA was a foregone conclusion as soon as Johnson signed.

 

(Well actually it dates back to when Soriano signed, but that's another topic.)

[XZero771679666304]

Read the article, guys. Fontenot in, Murton out.

 

Awful.

 

I'll just second (third?) what UMF said.

 

At least I like the decision in the thread title.

 

To tell the truth, if they were going to keep Cedeno and another IF, I would rather it had been Cintron. I have zero confidence in Fontenot to be worth anything. At least Cintron can play 3 IF positions well while he's not hitting.

 

But leaving Murton off? Wow. I can only hope he is getting traded.

[davearm2]

This is one of the big reasons the Cubs can't develop positional players.

 

We have a player like Murton come up, and we purposely block him because we don't want to give him the opportunity to play anywhere. Sure he's not the best defensive player and would make a much better DH, but the man has hit every time he's been given a shot.

 

Now we have Felix Pie, and already we've signed someone to take ABs away from him. For cripes sakes, let the kid play. We have 3 players with 40 HR potential in our lineup, a Japan league MVP, a ROY favorite, and a super-utility player that many people dubbed our X-factor last year. We can't find 550 ABs for your top prospect 4 years in a row?

 

I understand we've been burned when we let players play (CPatt, Cedeno), but geez at some point you gotta let people play.

Murton was sort of collateral damage from the Soriano signing. The Cubs wanted/needed to make a big splash after the disaster of 2006, and it just so happened that the best available FA that year (Soriano) plays the only position Murton's shown himself to be competent at.

 

Under ideal circumstances, the best available FA that year would've been a SS or a 2B or even a RF, and Murton would've been able to remain the everyday LF -- and I bet the Cubs would agree with that. (Next best outcome would be for Murton to display an ability to play a passable RF... he hasn't, at least not in Lou's eyes.) Unfortunately those weren't the circumstances, and so here we are... not by design so much as by coincidence.

[Outshined_One]

Now we can trade Murton for pennies on the dollar!

 

Hooray!

[Tracer Bullet]

This is one of the big reasons the Cubs can't develop positional players.

 

We have a player like Murton come up, and we purposely block him because we don't want to give him the opportunity to play anywhere. Sure he's not the best defensive player and would make a much better DH, but the man has hit every time he's been given a shot.

 

Now we have Felix Pie, and already we've signed someone to take ABs away from him. For cripes sakes, let the kid play. We have 3 players with 40 HR potential in our lineup, a Japan league MVP, a ROY favorite, and a super-utility player that many people dubbed our X-factor last year. We can't find 550 ABs for your top prospect 4 years in a row?

 

I understand we've been burned when we let players play (CPatt, Cedeno), but geez at some point you gotta let people play.

Murton was sort of collateral damage from the Soriano signing. The Cubs wanted/needed to make a big splash after the disaster of 2006, and it just so happened that the best available FA that year (Soriano) plays the only position Murton's shown himself to be competent at.

 

Under ideal circumstances, the best available FA that year would've been a SS or a 2B or even a RF, and Murton would've been able to remain the everyday LF -- and I bet the Cubs would agree with that. (Next best outcome would be for Murton to display an ability to play a passable RF... he hasn't, at least not in Lou's eyes.) Unfortunately those weren't the circumstances, and so here we are... not by design so much as by coincidence.

 

Coincidence? No, we're here b/c our GM is terrible at building a baseball team.

[Proven Veteran]

Murton should be playing LF, with Soriano or Fukudome in CF and the other in RF.

[Roast]

Disgusting.

 

No wonder this team can't develop position players.

[Wheelimus]

I'm not even sure what would be best for Murton. Being the 5th Outfielder rarely playing or going to the minors and playing everyday.

 

Maybe he could build up some value in Iowa. We'll see.

[Roast]

I hate this teams inconsistency too. They love to hand people jobs based on a good spring training (See: Theriot) but all murton has done is bat .344 this spring and yet he gets sent to AAA

[abuck1220]

poor murton is wasting his prime years being the 5th OF/shuttle guy to iowa. is there anyone who truly doubts he could be a starting major league outfielder?