Levine - Cubs sign Cintron (ESPN1000)

[CubColtPacer]

Wasn't Cintron a pretty highly regarded prospect once upon a time?

 

Yup, in 2001, he was the Diamondbacks top prospect according to BA

 

That must have been a pathetic farm system at the time when you look at what Cintron put up in 2000 in the minors...

 

2000 numbers: .301/.338/.404/.742

 

That is your #1 prospect in 01? Yeesh. I recall Meph saying something in a previous thread where Cintron was brought up about Cintron being considered the next Derek Jeter at one point. Ha!

 

.317/.359/.489 over 487 PA in 2003.

 

Cintron at least has the tools to put up a decent line... which is something. We could catch lightning in a bottle.

 

Yeah but the last time he really played it was .273 .298 .415

 

Very icky. And very......Hendry-ish, if I may say so. How many guys come through here who have basically the same OBP as their AVG? FTH with that crap?

 

It's a backup SS. There aren't very many good ones out there, and many of them are backups because they can't get on base. It's not just a Hendry thing, it's probably 2/3's of the league when it comes to their backups there.

[Rob]

Wasn't Cintron a pretty highly regarded prospect once upon a time?

 

Yup, in 2001, he was the Diamondbacks top prospect according to BA

 

That must have been a pathetic farm system at the time when you look at what Cintron put up in 2000 in the minors...

 

2000 numbers: .301/.338/.404/.742

 

That is your #1 prospect in 01? Yeesh. I recall Meph saying something in a previous thread where Cintron was brought up about Cintron being considered the next Derek Jeter at one point. Ha!

 

.317/.359/.489 over 487 PA in 2003.

 

Cintron at least has the tools to put up a decent line... which is something. We could catch lightning in a bottle.

 

Yeah but the last time he really played it was .273 .298 .415

 

Very icky. And very......Hendry-ish, if I may say so. How many guys come through here who have basically the same OBP as their AVG? FTH with that crap?

 

Yeah, not debating that he sucks. But I'm just arguing that the potential is there.

[RammyFanny]

Wasn't Cintron a pretty highly regarded prospect once upon a time?

 

Yup, in 2001, he was the Diamondbacks top prospect according to BA

 

That must have been a pathetic farm system at the time when you look at what Cintron put up in 2000 in the minors...

 

2000 numbers: .301/.338/.404/.742

 

That is your #1 prospect in 01? Yeesh. I recall Meph saying something in a previous thread where Cintron was brought up about Cintron being considered the next Derek Jeter at one point. Ha!

 

.317/.359/.489 over 487 PA in 2003.

 

Cintron at least has the tools to put up a decent line... which is something. We could catch lightning in a bottle.

 

Yeah but the last time he really played it was .273 .298 .415

 

Very icky. And very......Hendry-ish, if I may say so. How many guys come through here who have basically the same OBP as their AVG? FTH with that crap?

Which might be better than our current production at the position.

[Clem Fandango]

Wasn't Cintron a pretty highly regarded prospect once upon a time?

 

Yup, in 2001, he was the Diamondbacks top prospect according to BA

 

That must have been a pathetic farm system at the time when you look at what Cintron put up in 2000 in the minors...

 

2000 numbers: .301/.338/.404/.742

 

That is your #1 prospect in 01? Yeesh. I recall Meph saying something in a previous thread where Cintron was brought up about Cintron being considered the next Derek Jeter at one point. Ha!

 

.317/.359/.489 over 487 PA in 2003.

 

Cintron at least has the tools to put up a decent line... which is something. We could catch lightning in a bottle.

 

Yeah but the last time he really played it was .273 .298 .415

 

Very icky. And very......Hendry-ish, if I may say so. How many guys come through here who have basically the same OBP as their AVG? FTH with that crap?

Which might be better than our current production at the position.

 

Zing!

 

Screw it, I'm sold, when can he start :lol:

[Butterscup1679666578]

I didn't read the thread, but is this a minor league deal?

[CubColtPacer]

I didn't read the thread, but is this a minor league deal?

 

Yes, it is.

[jersey cubs fan]

The replies to this story on the tribune site have set us all back a couple dozen years.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I didn't read the thread, but is this a minor league deal?

 

Yes, it is.

 

Thanks. I can't say I really care then. He'll only make the roster if Cedeno is moved, which I don't think will happen at this point.

[Balsa]

I didn't read the thread, but is this a minor league deal?

 

Yes, it is.

 

Thanks. I can't say I really care then. He'll only make the roster if Cedeno is moved, which I don't think will happen at this point.

Exactly. This is really a non-issue unless moves are made. But it could portend such moves.

[Post Count Padder]

Cubs signed infielder Alex Cintron to a minor league contract and invited him to spring training.

 

Cintron's addition gives the Cubs a legitimate backup shortstop in case Ronny Cedeno is used in a Brian Roberts deal. And that's about it. As things stand now, there's no reason to carry him over Cedeno or Mike Fontenot. He's a weaker fielder than Cedeno, and he probably won't match Fontentot's bat

[wrigley23]

unless this is a precursor to a bigger move then this makes no sense. Cintron is an atrocious player. His obp is under .300, he never walks & is just not good.

[CubinNY]

The replies to this story on the tribune site have set us all back a couple dozen years.

Simply amazing.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

unless this is a precursor to a bigger move then this makes no sense. Cintron is an atrocious player. His obp is under .300, he never walks & is just not good.

 

It's a minor league deal.

[Outshined_One]

unless this is a precursor to a bigger move then this makes no sense. Cintron is an atrocious player. His obp is under .300, he never walks & is just not good.

 

It's a minor league deal.

 

The Iowa Cubs are trying to win the PCL Championship! They don't need some stinking bum at SS.

[RedFlash]

There have been rumors that the Cubs have been experimenting wsith Cedeno in CF. Any chance that the reason why the signed Cintron, is that Cedeno progression as a CFer is coming along real nicely?

[SouthSideCubsFan83]

alex cintron.....garbage baseball player by day, obscure actress by night (Rosie Perez)

[Outshined_One]

There have been rumors that the Cubs have been experimenting wsith Cedeno in CF. Any chance that the reason why the signed Cintron, is that Cedeno progression as a CFer is coming along real nicely?

 

I think Cintron's an insurance policy if Cedeno or Theriot gets traded. No one else on this roster can play SS at the kind of level this organization clearly values to the extent that they would merit any significant playing time.

 

Moreover, between Pie, EPatt, Colvin, and Fuld, the Cubs have enough guys in the organization who can adequately play CF. Moving Cedeno out there would not help settle any conflicts between that glut of players.

[RedFlash]

There have been rumors that the Cubs have been experimenting wsith Cedeno in CF. Any chance that the reason why the signed Cintron, is that Cedeno progression as a CFer is coming along real nicely?

 

I think Cintron's an insurance policy if Cedeno or Theriot gets traded. No one else on this roster can play SS at the kind of level this organization clearly values to the extent that they would merit any significant playing time.

 

Moreover, between Pie, EPatt, Colvin, and Fuld, the Cubs have enough guys in the organization who can adequately play CF. Moving Cedeno out there would not help settle any conflicts between that glut of players.

 

Well, considering there have been rumors that Cedeno has been working in CF this offseason, and the fact that Pie/Patterson/Colvin and Fuld are ALL left handed hitters, it might make some sense. Naturally I would prefer someone who has played CF more then one offseason, but if the price for Byrd is Murton plus quality prospect, I much rather see Cedeno platoon with Pie in CF.

[Rob]

There have been rumors that the Cubs have been experimenting wsith Cedeno in CF. Any chance that the reason why the signed Cintron, is that Cedeno progression as a CFer is coming along real nicely?

 

I think Cintron's an insurance policy if Cedeno or Theriot gets traded. No one else on this roster can play SS at the kind of level this organization clearly values to the extent that they would merit any significant playing time.

 

Moreover, between Pie, EPatt, Colvin, and Fuld, the Cubs have enough guys in the organization who can adequately play CF. Moving Cedeno out there would not help settle any conflicts between that glut of players.

 

Well, considering there have been rumors that Cedeno has been working in CF this offseason, and the fact that Pie/Patterson/Colvin and Fuld are ALL left handed hitters, it might make some sense. Naturally I would prefer someone who has played CF more then one offseason, but if the price for Byrd is Murton plus quality prospect, I much rather see Cedeno platoon with Pie in CF.

 

But what would Cintron have to do with that?

 

RH pitching: Theriot playing SS, Pie playing CF

-- injury occurs -- Cedeno moves out to SS or CF.

 

LH pitching: Theriot playing SS, Cedeno playing CF

-- injury occurs to Theriot -- Cedeno moves to SS, Pie comes in at CF

-- injury occurs to Cedeno -- Pie comes in to play CF

[RedFlash]

There have been rumors that the Cubs have been experimenting wsith Cedeno in CF. Any chance that the reason why the signed Cintron, is that Cedeno progression as a CFer is coming along real nicely?

 

I think Cintron's an insurance policy if Cedeno or Theriot gets traded. No one else on this roster can play SS at the kind of level this organization clearly values to the extent that they would merit any significant playing time.

 

Moreover, between Pie, EPatt, Colvin, and Fuld, the Cubs have enough guys in the organization who can adequately play CF. Moving Cedeno out there would not help settle any conflicts between that glut of players.

 

Well, considering there have been rumors that Cedeno has been working in CF this offseason, and the fact that Pie/Patterson/Colvin and Fuld are ALL left handed hitters, it might make some sense. Naturally I would prefer someone who has played CF more then one offseason, but if the price for Byrd is Murton plus quality prospect, I much rather see Cedeno platoon with Pie in CF.

 

But what would Cintron have to do with that?

 

RH pitching: Theriot playing SS, Pie playing CF

-- injury occurs -- Cedeno moves out to SS or CF.

 

LH pitching: Theriot playing SS, Cedeno playing CF

-- injury occurs to Theriot -- Cedeno moves to SS, Pie comes in at CF

-- injury occurs to Cedeno -- Pie comes in to play CF

 

Perhaps, Cintron would fill the role that would have gone to DeRosa, had the Roberts deal gone through. IDK, what the Cubs are thinking. And yes, I do wonder if they are, sometimes. I think Cintron is the NEW Macias.

[Rob]

There have been rumors that the Cubs have been experimenting wsith Cedeno in CF. Any chance that the reason why the signed Cintron, is that Cedeno progression as a CFer is coming along real nicely?

 

I think Cintron's an insurance policy if Cedeno or Theriot gets traded. No one else on this roster can play SS at the kind of level this organization clearly values to the extent that they would merit any significant playing time.

 

Moreover, between Pie, EPatt, Colvin, and Fuld, the Cubs have enough guys in the organization who can adequately play CF. Moving Cedeno out there would not help settle any conflicts between that glut of players.

 

Well, considering there have been rumors that Cedeno has been working in CF this offseason, and the fact that Pie/Patterson/Colvin and Fuld are ALL left handed hitters, it might make some sense. Naturally I would prefer someone who has played CF more then one offseason, but if the price for Byrd is Murton plus quality prospect, I much rather see Cedeno platoon with Pie in CF.

 

But what would Cintron have to do with that?

 

RH pitching: Theriot playing SS, Pie playing CF

-- injury occurs -- Cedeno moves out to SS or CF.

 

LH pitching: Theriot playing SS, Cedeno playing CF

-- injury occurs to Theriot -- Cedeno moves to SS, Pie comes in at CF

-- injury occurs to Cedeno -- Pie comes in to play CF

 

Perhaps, Cintron would fill the role that would have gone to DeRosa, had the Roberts deal gone through. IDK, what the Cubs are thinking. And yes, I do wonder if they are, sometimes. I think Cintron is the NEW Macias.

 

I sincerely doubt it.

 

I'd bet good money that Cintron is in AAA all season unless there's a trade or an injury.

[badnews]

Maybe it means Hendry has decided to trade Murton and Cedeno for Marlon Byrd. Ha!

[RedFlash]

There have been rumors that the Cubs have been experimenting wsith Cedeno in CF. Any chance that the reason why the signed Cintron, is that Cedeno progression as a CFer is coming along real nicely?

 

I think Cintron's an insurance policy if Cedeno or Theriot gets traded. No one else on this roster can play SS at the kind of level this organization clearly values to the extent that they would merit any significant playing time.

 

Moreover, between Pie, EPatt, Colvin, and Fuld, the Cubs have enough guys in the organization who can adequately play CF. Moving Cedeno out there would not help settle any conflicts between that glut of players.

 

Well, considering there have been rumors that Cedeno has been working in CF this offseason, and the fact that Pie/Patterson/Colvin and Fuld are ALL left handed hitters, it might make some sense. Naturally I would prefer someone who has played CF more then one offseason, but if the price for Byrd is Murton plus quality prospect, I much rather see Cedeno platoon with Pie in CF.

 

But what would Cintron have to do with that?

 

RH pitching: Theriot playing SS, Pie playing CF

-- injury occurs -- Cedeno moves out to SS or CF.

 

LH pitching: Theriot playing SS, Cedeno playing CF

-- injury occurs to Theriot -- Cedeno moves to SS, Pie comes in at CF

-- injury occurs to Cedeno -- Pie comes in to play CF

 

Perhaps, Cintron would fill the role that would have gone to DeRosa, had the Roberts deal gone through. IDK, what the Cubs are thinking. And yes, I do wonder if they are, sometimes. I think Cintron is the NEW Macias.

 

I sincerely doubt it.

 

I'd bet good money that Cintron is in AAA all season unless there's a trade or an injury.

 

I didn't say I would support such of move, I was trying to understand why Hendry made such a move. But I doubt he'll be at AAA, he'll either make the team out of spring training, or he'll be released. I just don't see him going to AAA, when he had "supposedly" a major league contract from the O's. Him being released after ST, would be great for me.

[Rob]

PECOTA EqA projections:

 

Cedeno - .251

Theriot - .237

Cintron - .229

[craig]

A note on Cintron: he's a switch hitter, and his splits are favorable: he's a career .347 OBP guy left-handed, with a career .305 batting average and .768 OPS hitting lefty.

 

Theriot is a career .384 OBP vs lefties with an .846 OPS.

 

I know Cintron isn't too hot defensively, worse than Theriot I assume.

 

And I know neither would be likely to perform at those levels if you put them in a straight platoon. But if you did platoon a .347 OBP with a .384 OBP; might one reasonably get a .340+ OBP outcome? And if you platooned a .768 OPS with an .846 OPS, might one reasonably get a .750+ OPS? A .340-OBP .750-OPS SS, that wouldn't be that bad hitting 8th or even 2nd. And that would be worse than either of their career splits.

 

Maybe this will be our lucky year where things like that will work out.