MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[CyHawk_Cub]

This thread needs to be divided into chapters or something; so many different topics discussed...

[RedFlash]

there are alot of GMs that are clearly worse then Hendry.

and a lot that are clearly better -- that still makes him either a bad GM or a mediocre one at the very best

 

Define "clearly better?"

 

It is my experience, when I would troll ESPN boards, that fans of other teams considered their GM to be an "average" to "worse" GM then the next team. Oakland fans has had questions about Beane. Even BoSox fans have questioned Theo Epstein. So, IMO, there was only "ONE CLEAR TOP GM" in baseball, and the Braves move him upstairs.

 

So, I don't buy that there are "clearly better" GMs then Hendry.

[XZero771679666304]

there are alot of GMs that are clearly worse then Hendry.

and a lot that are clearly better -- that still makes him either a bad GM or a mediocre one at the very best

 

Define "clearly better?"

 

It is my experience, when I would troll ESPN boards, that fans of other teams considered their GM to be an "average" to "worse" GM then the next team. Oakland fans has had questions about Beane. Even BoSox fans have questioned Theo Epstein. So, IMO, there was only "ONE CLEAR TOP GM" in baseball, and the Braves move him upstairs.

 

So, I don't buy that there are "clearly better" GMs then Hendry.

 

When it comes to what is important, like identifying your team's weaknesses and addressing them expediently, there are plenty of GM's who are better.

 

How long did it take for Jim to realize the OBP was a big problem? three, four years? Or how now he is overlooking the team's biggest hole (SS), and focusing on a position of relative strength? (though I would like to see Roberts a Cubs, it clearly shouldn't be priority one)

 

Sure, there a many general managers who are worse (Krivsky, Colletti, Bavasi, Bowden, Wade, Sabean, etc.), but not being the worst does not mean you aren't bad.

Edited March 11, 2008 by XZero77

[CuseCubFan69]

there are alot of GMs that are clearly worse then Hendry.

and a lot that are clearly better -- that still makes him either a bad GM or a mediocre one at the very best

 

Define "clearly better?"

 

It is my experience, when I would troll ESPN boards, that fans of other teams considered their GM to be an "average" to "worse" GM then the next team. Oakland fans has had questions about Beane. Even BoSox fans have questioned Theo Epstein. So, IMO, there was only "ONE CLEAR TOP GM" in baseball, and the Braves move him upstairs.

 

So, I don't buy that there are "clearly better" GMs then Hendry.

 

BoSox fans would complain about Jesus making red wine instead of white.

[Tracer Bullet]

i disagree with the notion that Hendry is a bad GM, because that is not the truth is....there are alot of GMs that are clearly worse then Hendry. And while it does seems questionable, Hendry does want to win. NAME ME ONE GM who hasn't made questionable moves. Every team, including the World Champs have signed players that said particular teams fanbase, are not thrilled with. So that's not a trait uncommon in baseball.

 

With that said, I do believe Hnedry is trying to put together a Championship Caliber team on the Northside. I know it's trendy to hate on Hendry, but this guy---regardless of the situation---has brought in Derrek Lee, Aramis Ramirez, Mark DeRosa, Ted Lilly, Alfonso Soriano, Kosoke Fukudome, through trades and signings. And players like Felix Pie, Carlos Zambrano, Carlos Marmol, Mike Weurtz, Rich Hill, Sean Marshall, Geovany Soto, Ryan Theriot, Sean Gallagher are players who were either signed as UDFA (Zambrano/Pie/Marmol, I believe) and drafted and developed. Those players are expected to be big contributors to the club for next half decade to decade. In other words...Hendry has arguably assemble the most talented team in franchise history, and people want to mark him as a Bad GM, because the teams hasn't don it on the field. I'm sorry boys and girls, Hendry could acquire an All-Star at every position, but if the manager can't pull the team together, you can't blame the GM. With Lou at the helm, I am confident the Cubs are as close to a World Series, as they have ever been.

 

I'm not saying Hendry is perfect, but continuing to knock him as a "Bad GM" is, IMO, without merit. All this guy has try to do, since becoming GM is try to put the Cubs on the right track to a Championship. IMO, we will get it, very soon.

 

He's tried to win, thus, he's a good GM? He's brought in some talent, thus, he's a good GM?

 

We have very different standards, apparently.

[Schwarber Fan]

From MLB traderumors.com

 

Stark's Latest: Davis, Valdez, Roberts, Lofton

 

Brian Roberts update: Stark talked to a club official who's in touch with the Cubs and O's. That guy expects a deal to be done next week.

 

Another week!

[Post Count Padder]

From MLB traderumors.com

 

Stark's Latest: Davis, Valdez, Roberts, Lofton

 

Brian Roberts update: Stark talked to a club official who's in touch with the Cubs and O's. That guy expects a deal to be done next week.

 

Another week!

Hooray!

 

and next week we'll get an update that says it will be done the following week.

[shnsajax]

From MLB traderumors.com

 

Stark's Latest: Davis, Valdez, Roberts, Lofton

 

Brian Roberts update: Stark talked to a club official who's in touch with the Cubs and O's. That guy expects a deal to be done next week.

 

Another week!

 

If we can avoid another month I will be happy.

[UMFan83]

From MLB traderumors.com

 

Stark's Latest: Davis, Valdez, Roberts, Lofton

 

Brian Roberts update: Stark talked to a club official who's in touch with the Cubs and O's. That guy expects a deal to be done next week.

 

Another week!

 

That's just their regurgitating of what was posted a couple pages back from Stark.

[Post Count Padder]

From MLB traderumors.com

 

Stark's Latest: Davis, Valdez, Roberts, Lofton

 

Brian Roberts update: Stark talked to a club official who's in touch with the Cubs and O's. That guy expects a deal to be done next week.

 

Another week!

 

If we can avoid another month I will be happy.

Oh, cmon, we have to get this thread to 300 pages.

[shnsajax]

From MLB traderumors.com

 

Stark's Latest: Davis, Valdez, Roberts, Lofton

 

Brian Roberts update: Stark talked to a club official who's in touch with the Cubs and O's. That guy expects a deal to be done next week.

 

Another week!

 

If we can avoid another month I will be happy.

Oh, cmon, we have to get this thread to 300 pages.

 

I'm pretty sure the trade finally happening will push this over 300. In which there will probably be 3 pages just of people "SOTO" over and over again.

[C.C.]

From MLB traderumors.com

 

Stark's Latest: Davis, Valdez, Roberts, Lofton

 

Brian Roberts update: Stark talked to a club official who's in touch with the Cubs and O's. That guy expects a deal to be done next week.

 

Another week!

 

Another week away? Yipeee!!!

[Ding Dong Johnson]

From MLB traderumors.com

 

Stark's Latest: Davis, Valdez, Roberts, Lofton

 

Brian Roberts update: Stark talked to a club official who's in touch with the Cubs and O's. That guy expects a deal to be done next week.

 

Another week!

 

If we can avoid another month I will be happy.

Oh, cmon, we have to get this thread to 300 pages.

 

I'm pretty sure the trade finally happening will push this over 300. In which there will probably be 3 pages just of people "SOTO" over and over again.

shnsajax

[daske17]

BoSox fans would complain about Jesus making red wine instead of white.

 

Well, in their defense, he did multiply loaves and fishes. One doesn't drink red with seafood.

[CuseCubFan69]

BoSox fans would complain about Jesus making red wine instead of white.

 

Well, in their defense, he did multiply loaves and fishes. One doesn't drink red with seafood.

 

That's good. What was he thinking?

[Burtonbell]

SHNSAJAX

[Ding Dong Johnson]

BoSox fans would complain about Jesus making red wine instead of white.

 

Well, in their defense, he did multiply loaves and fishes. One doesn't drink red with seafood.

whoa, whoa, whoa -- what kind of fish was it?

[Outshined_One]

BoSox fans would complain about Jesus making red wine instead of white.

 

Well, in their defense, he did multiply loaves and fishes. One doesn't drink red with seafood.

 

Unless you're Russian.

[BigbadB]

it wasn't Hendry who let Prior and Wood in for 120+ pitch counts on a regular basis. The GM's job is to give the manager the pieces to win, and the manager to put those pieces in the right place to win the games. /quote]

 

And who hired the manager that let Prior and Wood in for 120+ pitch counts on a regular basis? And who hired the manager who put the pieces in the wrong place to win the games?

 

Hendry?

[XZero771679666304]

it wasn't Hendry who let Prior and Wood in for 120+ pitch counts on a regular basis. The GM's job is to give the manager the pieces to win, and the manager to put those pieces in the right place to win the games.

 

And who hired the manager that let Prior and Wood in for 120+ pitch counts on a regular basis? And who hired the manager who put the pieces in the wrong place to win the games?

 

Hendry?

 

Yeah, if your kid is a pyromaniac and you buy him matches, you can't be absolved of guilt when he burns the house down.

[Moonshot]

it wasn't Hendry who let Prior and Wood in for 120+ pitch counts on a regular basis. The GM's job is to give the manager the pieces to win, and the manager to put those pieces in the right place to win the games. /quote]

 

And who hired the manager that let Prior and Wood in for 120+ pitch counts on a regular basis? And who hired the manager who put the pieces in the wrong place to win the games?

 

Hendry?

 

When Hendry hired Dusty, he had just taken the Giants to the World Series!! I'd be willing to bet that when Hendry hired Dusty, you thought it was a GREAT signing. I'll take it one step further and say that in 2003 when the Cubs were 5 outs from the World Series themselves, you were probably one of the people holding up the "In Dusty we trusty" signs. So all of a sudden that's a bad move in your eyes? Hindsight is the red-headed step child of foresight.

[Backtobanks]

As for being a good GM, sometimes all it takes is to catch lightning in a bottle (i.e. Kenny Williams) to be considered a good GM. Williams went from being a joke as a GM to being a genius, but he's working his way back down.

[jersey cubs fan]

When Hendry hired Dusty, he had just taken the Giants to the World Series!! I'd be willing to bet that when Hendry hired Dusty, you thought it was a GREAT signing.

 

People who were paying attention knew it was a horrible decision before it was made.

[Coach C]

I believe somebody in here believed that it would be done by March 13th....

[XZero771679666304]

it wasn't Hendry who let Prior and Wood in for 120+ pitch counts on a regular basis. The GM's job is to give the manager the pieces to win, and the manager to put those pieces in the right place to win the games. /quote]

 

And who hired the manager that let Prior and Wood in for 120+ pitch counts on a regular basis? And who hired the manager who put the pieces in the wrong place to win the games?

 

Hendry?

 

When Hendry hired Dusty, he had just taken the Giants to the World Series!! I'd be willing to bet that when Hendry hired Dusty, you thought it was a GREAT signing. I'll take it one step further and say that in 2003 when the Cubs were 5 outs from the World Series themselves, you were probably one of the people holding up the "In Dusty we trusty" signs. So all of a sudden that's a bad move in your eyes? Hindsight is the red-headed step child of foresight.

 

I for one saw what he did wrong even in 2003, but let it go for the most part, but was far from a fan of Baker.

 

When he was signed by the Cubs, I was told by Giant fans what he did wrong, and many of them felt the Giants won in spite of him and not because of him. The things they complained about him doing are the same things we complain about him doing, and the same thing Reds fans will complain about him doing before the end.