MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[David]

If we got Roberts and all we had to give up were Colvin and Marquis, I'd be extremely pleased.

 

Zero chance that that happens, IMO.

 

Colvin and Gallagher just might, though.

 

 

Although I, too, would of course be extremely happy if that fantasy of a trade came true.

[Schwarber Fan]

No real developments... just a baltimore sun blogger talking about how Baltimore should keep Roberts if the Cubs don't offer up enough:

 

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/roch/blog/2008/01/is_roberts_next.html

[David]

No real developments... just a baltimore sun blogger talking about how Baltimore should keep Roberts if the Cubs don't offer up enough:

 

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/roch/blog/2008/01/is_roberts_next.html

 

Heh. I feel far more confident in Murton's ability to be an impact major league bat than I do in Felix Pie, but to each his own.

[RammyFanny]

In December, MacPhail secured five players from the Houston Astros in exchange for star shortstop Miguel Tejada. MacPhail could get as many as four players from the Chicago Cubs if he's able to finalize a deal for All-Star second baseman Brian Roberts. However, a Roberts trade isn't expected to happen before the Bedard matter is resolved.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-os0131,0,5335928.story

 

Doubt Pie would be in a package for 4. Probably a Gally/Murton or Colvin/Epatt/Marquis or Dempster thing if he's got his facts straight.

[RammyFanny]

FWIW, Both Peace21 and BigBird saying Pie in fact won't be in any Roberts trade.

 

End of this page with Peace chiming in on page 4 and later.

 

http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58463&page=2

 

Here's Peace's quote on Pie:

Question-

Does that mean Pie isn't going to Baltimore in the Roberts trade, or that a Roberts trade isn't happening at all?

 

Answer-

The first one

[Post Count Padder]

In December, MacPhail secured five players from the Houston Astros in exchange for star shortstop Miguel Tejada. MacPhail could get as many as four players from the Chicago Cubs if he's able to finalize a deal for All-Star second baseman Brian Roberts. However, a Roberts trade isn't expected to happen before the Bedard matter is resolved.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-os0131,0,5335928.story

 

Doubt Pie would be in a package for 4. Probably a Gally/Murton or Colvin/Epatt/Marquis or Dempster thing if he's got his facts straight.

I'd bet its Gallagher, Murton, and Marquis. Or something like that. Hate to give up Murty and Gallagher, but if they take Marquis I'll live with it.

[RammyFanny]

In December, MacPhail secured five players from the Houston Astros in exchange for star shortstop Miguel Tejada. MacPhail could get as many as four players from the Chicago Cubs if he's able to finalize a deal for All-Star second baseman Brian Roberts. However, a Roberts trade isn't expected to happen before the Bedard matter is resolved.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-os0131,0,5335928.story

 

Doubt Pie would be in a package for 4. Probably a Gally/Murton or Colvin/Epatt/Marquis or Dempster thing if he's got his facts straight.

I'd bet its Gallagher, Murton, and Marquis. Or something like that. Hate to give up Murty and Gallagher, but if they take Marquis I'll live with it.

I'm hoping we can keep Murton from the O's (replace him with Colvin?) so we can trade him for a SP prospect or two to hopefully help make up for Gally's loss. Since Latos can't be traded, how about Innman and/or Leblanc? Sometihng along those lines, unless of course we can expand it to get Greene.

[98navigator]

I love the idea of moving Marquis but there should be a corresponding move (perhaps, the second of the two deals Hendry talked about). Z, Hill, Lilly, Marshall, and Lieber doesn't do much for me. Marshall has yet to pitch 200 innings so it's hard to count on him for an entire season. Hopefully, another quality starter move is waiting in the wings.

[badnews]

I'd rather get rid of Pie than Gallagher. I'd rather get rid of neither of them than get Roberts.

 

Let's face it, this whole trade is crock. When you look at what other All-Star 2b recently have been traded for it's not this expensive. I want a GM who has the sack to tell other teams to go to hell when they're being asses about the situation, not say "Yeah, I'll let you jerk me around for three months for the privilege of ripping me off, after you wiped the floor with me on the Trachsel trade." There is no more gutless man than Hendry.

[RammyFanny]

I still bet the second close "high profile" move Kenney said was pending involves DeRosa. If the 2nd move was so close as well, I don't see why we wouldn't just do it now. It seems to me like we have to secure Roberts first, and that's whats holding up the second trade. I'd like the Burnett rumor personally, though as someone previously pointed out it sounded like both were for hitters (though it's up to your personal interpretation).

 

For those wondering about Kenney's comments who hadn't heard it, Waddle and Silvy asked him if acquiring Santana would work for the Cubs with the sale and Kenney responded that it would gut the farm, and that he "preferred" the two pending deals rather than one for Johan since he would only be playing every 5 days. To me, that makes it sound like the deals are for hitters, but it could also just be Kenney preferring Roberts + another pitcher as opposed to just Santana (considering his cost and players given up).

[98navigator]

I still bet the second close "high profile" move Kenney said was pending involves DeRosa. If the 2nd move was so close as well, I don't see why we wouldn't just do it now. It seems to me like we have to secure Roberts first, and that's whats holding up the second trade. I'd like the Burnett rumor personally, though as someone previously pointed out it sounded like both were for hitters (though it's up to your personal interpretation).

 

For those wondering about Kenney's comments who hadn't heard it, Waddle and Silvy asked him if acquiring Santana would work for the Cubs with the sale and Kenney responded that it would gut the farm, and that he "preferred" the two pending deals rather than one for Johan since he would only be playing every 5 days. To me, that makes it sound like the deals are for hitters, but it could also just be Kenney preferring Roberts + another pitcher as opposed to just Santana (considering his cost and players given up).

 

I agree with you; once this Roberts deal is finally finished, I think DeRosa and another pitcher (Dempster and or Marquis depending on what's included in the first deal) will be traded for a starter. It appears that Pie won't be moved (at least not for Roberts) so, unless he goes in a later deal for pitching I don't see room for another "big" deal involving a position player. It makes more sense to me that the second move is a pitcher.

[Outshined_One]

Would these trade talks still be going on if Hendry and MacPhail were not friends?

[mdwilla]

Would these trade talks still be going on if Hendry and MacPhail were not friends?

I don't think Hendry would put his job online by not making any other improvements to this team if he didn't think this Roberts deal would get done , and he could make his other corresponding move.

[Post Count Padder]

So how long before this trade gets done

[RedFlash]

Would these trade talks still be going on if Hendry and MacPhail were not friends?

I don't think Hendry would put his job online by not making any other improvements to this team if he didn't think this Roberts deal would get done , and he could make his other corresponding move.

 

Wait a minute.....you're saying Hendry's "job is online?" Somebody quick, apply for the job, now, before the Cubs reconsider..... :D

 

 

I know what you're saying, and I agree. The fact that Brian Roberts have been available ALL OFFSEASON, and yet outside of the Cubs, and a minor burp from the Indians, nobody was consider a prime spot for Roberts. This leads me to believe that the Cubs/O's do have a deal in place (rough draft, sorta speak) they're just waiting for the O's to decide Bedard's fate. Because I can think of a few teams that could use Brian Roberts...White Sox, Mets (B4 they reupped Castillo), Padres (before they sign Igauchi), for prime example.

 

So I agree that Hendry would not put his job on the line, waiting for the O's to make a decision on Roberts. I'm pretty sure the Cubs could've landed Hudson from Arizona (something like Barfield to Ari, Hudson to the Cubs, and a couple of minor league arms to Cleveland might have suffice). Or perhaps even Ray Durham---I know, yuck, but still he would be available, but he wouldn't be my choice. So yeah, consider me one who believes that Hendry/MacPhail have hammered out a deal, but both sides agreed to wait until the O's trades Bedard. Hence the little to no rumors surrounding the Cubs, other then Roberts.

[Yestheydo]

I'm getting the feeling that if the M's deal falls through, Bedard and Roberts to the Cubs is Baltimore's plan B. Otherwise it's just Roberts and the Cubs keep Pie and Hill.

[Balsa]

I hope we don't trade Gallagher.

 

Why not give them Colvin and Pie? That should get things done...

[CubColtPacer]

I hope we don't trade Gallagher.

 

Why not give them Colvin and Pie? That should get things done...

 

It probably would, although it does deprive the Cubs of pretty much their 2 CF prospects in the entire system, and the Orioles really don't have a need for either one of them, let alone both. Gallagher would have to be pretty special to prefer the Cubs resort to finding stopgaps to play in CF for the next 5 years. I love Gallagher's potential and put him right up there with Pie now as far as value, but he's the more expendable piece if we have to give up one of them.

[XZero771679666304]

I hope we don't trade Gallagher.

 

Why not give them Colvin and Pie? That should get things done...

 

It probably would, although it does deprive the Cubs of pretty much their 2 CF prospects in the entire system, and the Orioles really don't have a need for either one of them, let alone both. Gallagher would have to be pretty special to prefer the Cubs resort to finding stopgaps to play in CF for the next 5 years. I love Gallagher's potential and put him right up there with Pie now as far as value, but he's the more expendable piece if we have to give up one of them.

 

I have to imagine the O's will want pitching first and foremost, especially after dealing Bedard.

[CubColtPacer]

I hope we don't trade Gallagher.

 

Why not give them Colvin and Pie? That should get things done...

 

It probably would, although it does deprive the Cubs of pretty much their 2 CF prospects in the entire system, and the Orioles really don't have a need for either one of them, let alone both. Gallagher would have to be pretty special to prefer the Cubs resort to finding stopgaps to play in CF for the next 5 years. I love Gallagher's potential and put him right up there with Pie now as far as value, but he's the more expendable piece if we have to give up one of them.

 

I have to imagine the O's will want pitching first and foremost, especially after dealing Bedard.

 

Well, the Orioles could actually use some positional prospects. They're getting 4 pitchers back in the Bedard deal, and they already have some young pitching. Of course they always will take back pitching, which is why they want Gallagher. What they really could use is some good infield prospects, especially middle infield. The Cubs don't necessarily have that, but they may have pieces that the Orioles can flip later for what they need. Murton may be useful to them as a 1 season piece that they then trade. Patterson is useful if they think he can handle second. Most of the other players the Cubs could potentially be offering aren't very useful to the Orioles.

[98navigator]

I hope we don't trade Gallagher.

 

Why not give them Colvin and Pie? That should get things done...

 

It probably would, although it does deprive the Cubs of pretty much their 2 CF prospects in the entire system, and the Orioles really don't have a need for either one of them, let alone both. Gallagher would have to be pretty special to prefer the Cubs resort to finding stopgaps to play in CF for the next 5 years. I love Gallagher's potential and put him right up there with Pie now as far as value, but he's the more expendable piece if we have to give up one of them.

 

I have to imagine the O's will want pitching first and foremost, especially after dealing Bedard.

 

Yeah this is Andy we're talking about here.

[Derwood]

why would the O's take Colvin and Pie (both CF's) when they are presumably getting Adam Jones (also a CF, who happens to be better than both of ours)?

[badnews]

This leads me to believe that the Cubs/O's do have a deal in place (rough draft, sorta speak) they're just waiting for the O's to decide Bedard's fate. Because I can think of a few teams that could use Brian Roberts...White Sox, Mets (B4 they reupped Castillo), Padres (before they sign Igauchi), for prime example.

 

I know why - because Hendry is the only one who will pay such a ridiculous price for Roberts.

[Sammy Sofa]

This leads me to believe that the Cubs/O's do have a deal in place (rough draft, sorta speak) they're just waiting for the O's to decide Bedard's fate. Because I can think of a few teams that could use Brian Roberts...White Sox, Mets (B4 they reupped Castillo), Padres (before they sign Igauchi), for prime example.

 

I know why - because Hendry is the only one who will pay such a ridiculous price for Roberts.

 

Doubtful.

[CubColtPacer]

This leads me to believe that the Cubs/O's do have a deal in place (rough draft, sorta speak) they're just waiting for the O's to decide Bedard's fate. Because I can think of a few teams that could use Brian Roberts...White Sox, Mets (B4 they reupped Castillo), Padres (before they sign Igauchi), for prime example.

 

I know why - because Hendry is the only one who will pay such a ridiculous price for Roberts.

 

I noticed you mentioned comparables at second base that were traded that got worse packages.

 

Can you help me figure out who those are? Second basemen who have had one great year, one very good year, and one average year over the last 3? Second basemen who still have 2 years left on their contract at a reasonable rate? Second basemen who are in the late prime of their career?

 

Now I don't want for you to read the last paragraph and think that I believe that Roberts is this amazing player. He's not. Quality 2nd basemen at this stage of their career just don't get traded very often though, and I'm having a hard time finding any comparable situation for the Roberts deal within the last 5 years, let alone the last 3 years. Maybe I'm missing some obvious ones, but I just can't find any.