College Football - Week of 11/17

[Mephistopheles]

auburn was a bad loss. it's not like they lost to three top 10 teams

 

I'll make a wager that Auburn will beat a Pac-10, Big East, Big Ten, Big Twelve, ACC school in their bowl game. Who wants it?..free month of premium..

 

 

One of the last place teams in the Big East already beat them in Auburn so it has to one of the other conferences turn.

 

lol..true, true. I assure you I'd love to see an Auburn - Big East matchup in the bowl game. Did you watch the Auburn - S. Florida game, Cuse?

 

Edit - want to add that I do believe the Big East is still underrated by most across the country. However, Auburn has now lost 4 games, and they should be matched up with middle of the conference team from another major conference. I think they'll do quite well with that type of matchup..even a rematch with S. Florida.

 

Honestly what it shows that there isn't that much of a difference between conferences and just crowning the SEC the king and letting it's teams move up with more losses than other conferences is wrong. That's my whole point and that's what bugs me along with the BE getting the shaft on the other end of the spectrum. SFlor getting no votes while Auburn getting a bunch just goes to show you an example of why I feel this way. If you look at every good BE team other than WV, the team from the BE that has as good a record or even better at times, has less votes than any other BCS conference. Cincy, UConn and SFlorida all are affected by the good ole boys voting system.

 

What I also don't understand is why Kansas isn't number one but Ohio State who played a worse schedule when they were voted 1 was. Again as Dew pointed out before, it's the name first and then the schedule according to voters. This is why Florida gets so much respect. Is Florida a good team, absolutely. Could they be undefeated if they had the same schedule as Kansas, quite possible but other teams could say that too. Kansas has 2 to 3 three tough games to go before they could be 13-0 and I just don't see why the press and coaches won't give them the same benefit they gave a no loss OSU or the one loss teams.

 

There is a huge difference between the SEC and the Big XII/Big Ten. Florida is a much better team than Kansas. This is pretty damn obvious. Saragin's ratings fall apart when your SOS is weak, he admits to this (all such systems do).

 

Floridas non conference is weak this year. The best game will be an alright FSU team, but they play a tough schedule in conference. They got LSU and Auburn, arguably the two best teams in the West. Kansas missed Oklahoma and Texas, the two best teams in the XIIS. I cant even begin to describe this...

 

Kansas pretty much will play 2 real games to get in (oh yeah they havent played EITHER yet)

 

1. vs Mizzou

2. vs OU

 

Florida had:

1. vs Tennessee

2. vs LSU

3. vs Auburn

4. vs Kentucky

5. vs Georgia

6. vs South Carolina

7. vs LSU (2)

 

Florida got through 1-6 at 3-3. Kansas has played NO ONE as good as those six teams. Kansas has played NO ONE as good as Floridas final opponent, unlisted Florida State.

[Soul]

Florida is 7-3 against the best schedule in the nation. They ought to be in the top ten guys.

 

They should try losing less games if they want to be in the top ten then.

 

So you would rather them go 10-0 against the 97th best schedule than 7-3 against the best schedule?

 

 

why don't we wait till the end of the season before we criticize KU's overall schedule. Their SOS will climb considerably if they beat OU/Mizzou.

 

And people act like we purposely scheduled 11 patsies. Coming into the season, Nebraska, OSU, aTm, and KSU were all supposed to be formidable opponents. And when we scheduled Toledo and CMU, they were bowl teams. Toledo had a 10-win season.

 

And for what it's worth, I think we could play with Florida. You act like they're some kind of juggernaut. If they were really that good, they'd be a one-loss team like LSU.

 

I already know they wont beat OU and Mizzou. The fact is they have played a schedule equivalent to the schedule of Florida Atlantic and UAB's. If UAB or FAU were undefeated today where would they rank? Probably the same place as Hawaii.

 

Kansas isnt good. You guys arent getting the probabilistic distribution of wins

 

People are rooting for them because they want to see something they haven't seen before. There's no denying they aren't a great team, but it's fun to root for them even though you're right, they will probably lose.

[CuseCubFan69]

And for what it's worth, I think we could play with Florida. You act like they're some kind of juggernaut. If they were really that good, they'd be a one-loss team like LSU.

 

I already know they wont beat OU and Mizzou. The fact is they have played a schedule equivalent to the schedule of Florida Atlantic and UAB's. If UAB or FAU were undefeated today where would they rank? Probably the same place as Hawaii.

 

Kansas isnt good. You guys arent getting the probabilistic distribution of wins

 

Isn't good? Possibly not the best but isn't good is not true. I agree they haven't played a good schedule and have something to prove but they have won all their games in a good BCS conference and that does say something. Is it possible they could lose to Mizzou and OU? Absolutely. They could lose to Iowa St as well. I'm going by what they have done so far this season and not guessing if they could beat this team or that.

[Mephistopheles]

And for those who care, Florida's gonna get respectful non conference games in 08 -- a season where they will undoubtedly be the preseason number one and will probably lose 2 games and STILL be the best team bc everyone facing the same schedule would lose 3-4 games.

 

Florida's 2008 Schedule

 

8/30 - vs Hawaii

9/6 - vs Miami (Fl)

9/20 - @ Tennessee

9/27 - vs Ole Miss

10/4 - @ Arkansas

10/11 - vs LSU

10/25 - vs Kentucky

11/1 - vs Georgia (at Jacksonville)

11/8 - @ Vanderbilt

11/15 - vs South Carolina

11/22 - vs The Citadel

11/29 - @ Florida State

12/6 - SEC CHAMP*

 

Yeah that schedule's brutal, both non conference and conference.

[CuseCubFan69]

And for those who care, Florida's gonna get respectful non conference games in 08 -- a season where they will undoubtedly be the preseason number one and will probably lose 2 games and STILL be the best team bc everyone facing the same schedule would lose 3-4 games.

 

Florida's 2008 Schedule

 

8/30 - vs Hawaii

9/6 - vs Miami (Fl)

9/20 - @ Tennessee

9/27 - vs Ole Miss

10/4 - @ Arkansas

10/11 - vs LSU

10/25 - vs Kentucky

11/1 - vs Georgia (at Jacksonville)

11/8 - @ Vanderbilt

11/15 - vs South Carolina

11/22 - vs The Citadel

11/29 - @ Florida State

12/6 - SEC CHAMP*

 

Yeah that schedule's brutal, both non conference and conference.

 

That's better. I'd like to see another BCS other than 2 ACC but I can't complain.

 

Still...ok I will complain...8 home games and 4 away.

[Derwood]

that is a tough non-con. why can't Penn State schedule that way? there are times i wish PSU was independent again. back when i first started watching, they'd have schedules including Miami (FL), Alabama, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, Notre Dame, Texas, West Virginia, etc. The AD here is lame

[Mephistopheles]

Isn't good? Possibly not the best but isn't good is not true. I agree they haven't played a good schedule and have something to prove but they have won all their games in a good BCS conference and that does say something. Is it possible they could lose to Mizzou and OU? Absolutely. They could lose to Iowa St as well. I'm going by what they have done so far this season and not guessing if they could beat this team or that.

 

They're not a top ten team.

They're probably not a top twenty team.

They're probably a 20-30 team.

They're just like Boston College was a few weeks ago, but BC had a better schedule.

 

Let's see who they've played

 

vs #69 6-4 Central Michigan

vs #203 2-8 SE Louisiana

vs #112 5-5 Toledo

vs #173 0-9 Florida International

@ #48 5-5 Kansas State

vs #119 3-8 Baylor

@ #56 5-6 Colorado

@ #50 6-5 Texas A&M

vs#59 5-6 Nebraska

@ #39 5-5 Oklahoma State

 

They haven't played or beaten a top 30 team. Florida has played:

 

@ #2 LSU

vs #12 Georgia

@ #17 Kentucky

vs #19 Tennessee

vs #24 Auburn

@ #30 South Carolina

 

So they've played SIX opponents better than KUs best opponent. They're 3-3 in those games against top 30 opponents. Oh and #34 is FSU who theyll play. Oh and Vandy yes Vandy is equivalent to the Aggies. Did you know MISS STATE (!) is better than all but one of UKs opponents.

 

Florida is 3-3 vs top 30 teams......Mizzou is 1-1 vs top 30 teams...WVU is 0-1....USC is 1-1. That 3-3 record is VERY good for their schedule. Those three loses were games where they had the lead late too. This Florida team is at least a top ten team. By the end of the season when people realize how much Mizzou and Kansas suck they'll be top five.

[Mephistopheles]

And for those who care, Florida's gonna get respectful non conference games in 08 -- a season where they will undoubtedly be the preseason number one and will probably lose 2 games and STILL be the best team bc everyone facing the same schedule would lose 3-4 games.

 

Florida's 2008 Schedule

 

8/30 - vs Hawaii

9/6 - vs Miami (Fl)

9/20 - @ Tennessee

9/27 - vs Ole Miss

10/4 - @ Arkansas

10/11 - vs LSU

10/25 - vs Kentucky

11/1 - vs Georgia (at Jacksonville)

11/8 - @ Vanderbilt

11/15 - vs South Carolina

11/22 - vs The Citadel

11/29 - @ Florida State

12/6 - SEC CHAMP*

 

Yeah that schedule's brutal, both non conference and conference.

 

That's better. I'd like to see another BCS other than 2 ACC but I can't complain.

 

Still...ok I will complain...8 home games and 4 away.

 

7 home games...4 away....1 neutral.

 

 

how many top 25 teams play 5 roadies? (not many if any). This years Kansas team has four road games and a crap big xii schedule.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

What's the difference between South Carolina and Colorado? Colorado actually played someone in the non-conference. The same comparison will work with Kentucky once they lose to Georgia and Tennessee.

[CubColtPacer]

And for those who care, Florida's gonna get respectful non conference games in 08 -- a season where they will undoubtedly be the preseason number one and will probably lose 2 games and STILL be the best team bc everyone facing the same schedule would lose 3-4 games.

 

Florida's 2008 Schedule

 

8/30 - vs Hawaii

9/6 - vs Miami (Fl)

9/20 - @ Tennessee

9/27 - vs Ole Miss

10/4 - @ Arkansas

10/11 - vs LSU

10/25 - vs Kentucky

11/1 - vs Georgia (at Jacksonville)

11/8 - @ Vanderbilt

11/15 - vs South Carolina

11/22 - vs The Citadel

11/29 - @ Florida State

12/6 - SEC CHAMP*

 

Yeah that schedule's brutal, both non conference and conference.

 

That's better. I'd like to see another BCS other than 2 ACC but I can't complain.

 

Still...ok I will complain...8 home games and 4 away.

 

7 home games...4 away....1 neutral.

 

 

how many top 25 teams play 5 roadies? (not many if any). This years Kansas team has four road games and a crap big xii schedule.

 

 

Just looking at the top 10, it looks like 5 play 5 road games. 2 play 4 road games and 1 neutral, 2 play just 4 road games, and West Virginia played 6 road games this year.

[Derwood]

jacksonville is neutral for Florida? HAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA

[Mephistopheles]

What's the difference between South Carolina and Colorado? Colorado actually played someone in the non-conference. The same comparison will work with Kentucky once they lose to Georgia and Tennessee.

 

If team # 28 beats team #29 in a close game....polls move #29 down...they shouldn't. This system won't move #29 down because of it (which is good). So UK losing to UGA and UT won't hurt their rankings too much. And it shouldn't. I'm betting they go 1-1 in those games though. They'll knock one off.

 

Kentucky played and beat Louisville who ranks number 33 in predictor. South Carolina has two wins over top 30 teams. Colorado has one.

[fiver]

 

Honestly what it shows that there isn't that much of a difference between conferences and just crowning the SEC the king and letting it's teams move up with more losses than other conferences is wrong. That's my whole point and that's what bugs me along with the BE getting the shaft on the other end of the spectrum. SFlor getting no votes while Auburn getting a bunch just goes to show you an example of why I feel this way. If you look at every good BE team other than WV, the team from the BE that has as good a record or even better at times, has less votes than any other BCS conference. Cincy, UConn and SFlorida all are affected by the good ole boys voting system.

 

What I also don't understand is why Kansas isn't number one but Ohio State who played a worse schedule when they were voted 1 was. Again as Dew pointed out before, it's the name first and then the schedule according to voters. This is why Florida gets so much respect. Is Florida a good team, absolutely. Could they be undefeated if they had the same schedule as Kansas, quite possible but other teams could say that too. Kansas has 2 to 3 three tough games to go before they could be 13-0 and I just don't see why the press and coaches won't give them the same benefit they gave a no loss OSU or the one loss teams.

 

what is this "good ole boys" voting system of which you speak? Am I mistaken in thinking Big East coaches have a voice in all of this?

Edited November 12, 2007 by fiver

[Mephistopheles]

jacksonville is neutral for Florida? HAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA

 

have you ever watched the cocktail party game? its split 50-50 easy.

[Derwood]

i won't deny that Florida's schedule is better than, say, Penn State's (which it is). but 3 losses is still 3 losses. if you went 6-6 would you say you're better than a 9-3 because the schedule was tough? no

[CuseCubFan69]

 

Honestly what it shows that there isn't that much of a difference between conferences and just crowning the SEC the king and letting it's teams move up with more losses than other conferences is wrong. That's my whole point and that's what bugs me along with the BE getting the shaft on the other end of the spectrum. SFlor getting no votes while Auburn getting a bunch just goes to show you an example of why I feel this way. If you look at every good BE team other than WV, the team from the BE that has as good a record or even better at times, has less votes than any other BCS conference. Cincy, UConn and SFlorida all are affected by the good ole boys voting system.

 

What I also don't understand is why Kansas isn't number one but Ohio State who played a worse schedule when they were voted 1 was. Again as Dew pointed out before, it's the name first and then the schedule according to voters. This is why Florida gets so much respect. Is Florida a good team, absolutely. Could they be undefeated if they had the same schedule as Kansas, quite possible but other teams could say that too. Kansas has 2 to 3 three tough games to go before they could be 13-0 and I just don't see why the press and coaches won't give them the same benefit they gave a no loss OSU or the one loss teams.

 

what is this "good ole boys" voting system of which you speak? Am I mistaken in thinking Big East coaches have a voice in all of this?

 

8 teams in the BE compared with 12 most of the others. The guys that say they voted one way until proven wrong such as the Texas coach and vote for their conferences. I want these things public.

[SouthSideRyan]

If they only could have eeked out that win against Mizzou...

 

Then of course the Iowa debacle, that's what really hurt.

 

And Kyle Hudson. So frustrating that we should be pretty much locked into a BCS right now.

[Mephistopheles]

i won't deny that Florida's schedule is better than, say, Penn State's (which it is). but 3 losses is still 3 losses. if you went 6-6 would you say you're better than a 9-3 because the schedule was tough? no

 

No. Who said it was linear?

[Soul]

If they only could have eeked out that win against Mizzou...

 

Then of course the Iowa debacle, that's what really hurt.

 

And Kyle Hudson. So frustrating that we should be pretty much locked into a BCS right now.

 

Better days are coming. This team is coming back next year, really the only missing element is consistency. It wasn't the same team that took the field vs. Iowa as it was vs. OSU.

 

And I believe the Buckeyes must come to UI next year :twisted:

[snoodmonger]

You've probably watched KU play what-once, twice this year? You have no idea how good they are or aren't. People who know a lot more about evaluating talent and teams admit they're a good football team with a legit chance to run the table. So it's laughable to say you know for certain they won't win out. Even if they're not as good as OU or Mizzou, they can still win those games.

 

And I hope they do just to piss off whiners who complain that it's not fair their team--which lost three straight games--isn't getting the respect it's due. ]

[da bears]

You've probably watched KU play what-once, twice this year? You have no idea how good they are or aren't. People who know a lot more about evaluating talent and teams admit they're a good football team with a legit chance to run the table. So it's laughable to say you know for certain they won't win out. Even if they're not as good as OU or Mizzou, they can still win those games.

 

And I hope they do just to piss off whiners who complain that it's not fair their team--which lost three straight games--isn't getting the respect it's due. ]

 

No point in arguing. Our teams both suck. :roll:

[Andy]

If they only could have eeked out that win against Mizzou...

 

Then of course the Iowa debacle, that's what really hurt.

Yeah, as it turns out, if you'd beaten Iowa, you'd be going to the Rose Bowl regardless of UM/OSU.

[Andy]

that is a tough non-con. why can't Penn State schedule that way? there are times i wish PSU was independent again. back when i first started watching, they'd have schedules including Miami (FL), Alabama, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, Notre Dame, Texas, West Virginia, etc. The AD here is lame

Speaking of stupid ADs, Notre Dame opens with San Diego State and Nevada the next two seasons respectively because of a horribly misguided decision to move the BYU game in 2004 to the opener as a 'tuneup' for Michigan. Naturally, we lost that game then beat Michigan.

 

I hate playing non-BCS schools (other than Navy).

[dew1679666265]

Florida had:

1. vs Tennessee

2. vs LSU

3. vs Auburn

4. vs Kentucky

5. vs Georgia

6. vs South Carolina

7. vs LSU (2)

 

Florida got through 1-6 at 3-3. Kansas has played NO ONE as good as those six teams. Kansas has played NO ONE as good as Floridas final opponent, unlisted Florida State.

 

You're assuming an SEC East title for Florida and that's far from a sure thing my friend. :wink: I really doubt Tennessee loses to Vandy so Kentucky will have to knock us off for you to have a chance.

 

Could happen, but not a certainty.

[dew1679666265]

that is a tough non-con. why can't Penn State schedule that way? there are times i wish PSU was independent again. back when i first started watching, they'd have schedules including Miami (FL), Alabama, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, Notre Dame, Texas, West Virginia, etc. The AD here is lame

 

Tennessee has had a long standing policy to always play at least one tough non-conference game a year. In the recent past we've played UCLA, Cal, Notre Dame and Miami.

 

We go to UCLA next year and then get them in Neyland in 09. We also have Oklahoma, NC State, Oregon and were talking to Virginia Tech for future years.

 

It's nice to see the Vols take on legitimately good teams from other conferences, yet still have some breathers in between tough SEC opponents.