College Football - Week of 11/17

[dew1679666265]

ESPN has an article on Notre Dame, Charlie Weiss, and how firing Willingham and keeping Weiss reeks of hypocrisy.

 

Link.

Weis has two top 10 recruiting classes already and the no. 1 ranked class for 2008. Ty had one top 10 class out of three and his last two were the two worst in ND history.

 

Weis has shown a willingness to change assistant coaches when they show they aren't capable. Ty refused to fire Kent Baer, his defensive coordinator, no matter how absurdly bad the defense was.

 

Ty didn't play Jeff Samardzija for two years. He played Ryan Grant over Julius Jones in 2003 - Grant infamously had more carries than Jones in the Pitt game where Jones broke the ND record for rushing yards in a game.

 

Weis has eight more years on his contract, so firing him would be financially irresponsible. (Stupid to give him the extension in the first place, I know.)

 

By the way, where's the bellyaching about Florida firing Ron Zook 2.5 years into his contract, with a better record than Willingham? Oh, Zook is white and Florida is currently winning so that makes it ok.

 

Florida has been good since Urban Meyer took over and they never had a good year under Zook. Keep in mind, they won a national championship under Meyer. Weis has, granted, had less talent but hasn't won even a BCS bowl game. I'm not supporting Weis being fired, just that the comparison with Meyer is completely invalid.

 

Also, Zook was the sacrificial lamb for a legend. Whoever followed Spurrier had to be just as successful or he would have been fired. That's how it goes following a legend, fair or not.

 

Are you trying to say that Bob Davie isnt a legend?

 

How far are we lowering the bar for legend status? :wink:

[Mephistopheles]

ESPN has an article on Notre Dame, Charlie Weiss, and how firing Willingham and keeping Weiss reeks of hypocrisy.

 

Link.

Weis has two top 10 recruiting classes already and the no. 1 ranked class for 2008. Ty had one top 10 class out of three and his last two were the two worst in ND history.

 

Weis has shown a willingness to change assistant coaches when they show they aren't capable. Ty refused to fire Kent Baer, his defensive coordinator, no matter how absurdly bad the defense was.

 

Ty didn't play Jeff Samardzija for two years. He played Ryan Grant over Julius Jones in 2003 - Grant infamously had more carries than Jones in the Pitt game where Jones broke the ND record for rushing yards in a game.

 

Weis has eight more years on his contract, so firing him would be financially irresponsible. (Stupid to give him the extension in the first place, I know.)

 

By the way, where's the bellyaching about Florida firing Ron Zook 2.5 years into his contract, with a better record than Willingham? Oh, Zook is white and Florida is currently winning so that makes it ok.

 

Florida has been good since Urban Meyer took over and they never had a good year under Zook. Keep in mind, they won a national championship under Meyer. Weis has, granted, had less talent but hasn't won even a BCS bowl game. I'm not supporting Weis being fired, just that the comparison with Meyer is completely invalid.

 

Also, Zook was the sacrificial lamb for a legend. Whoever followed Spurrier had to be just as successful or he would have been fired. That's how it goes following a legend, fair or not.

 

Are you trying to say that Bob Davie isnt a legend?

 

No, he's trying to say that George O'Leary isn't a legend.

[Flames24Rulz]

ESPN has an article on Notre Dame, Charlie Weiss, and how firing Willingham and keeping Weiss reeks of hypocrisy.

 

Link.

 

Ryan Grant.

[dew1679666265]

ESPN has an article on Notre Dame, Charlie Weiss, and how firing Willingham and keeping Weiss reeks of hypocrisy.

 

Link.

Weis has two top 10 recruiting classes already and the no. 1 ranked class for 2008. Ty had one top 10 class out of three and his last two were the two worst in ND history.

 

Weis has shown a willingness to change assistant coaches when they show they aren't capable. Ty refused to fire Kent Baer, his defensive coordinator, no matter how absurdly bad the defense was.

 

Ty didn't play Jeff Samardzija for two years. He played Ryan Grant over Julius Jones in 2003 - Grant infamously had more carries than Jones in the Pitt game where Jones broke the ND record for rushing yards in a game.

 

Weis has eight more years on his contract, so firing him would be financially irresponsible. (Stupid to give him the extension in the first place, I know.)

 

By the way, where's the bellyaching about Florida firing Ron Zook 2.5 years into his contract, with a better record than Willingham? Oh, Zook is white and Florida is currently winning so that makes it ok.

 

Florida has been good since Urban Meyer took over and they never had a good year under Zook. Keep in mind, they won a national championship under Meyer. Weis has, granted, had less talent but hasn't won even a BCS bowl game. I'm not supporting Weis being fired, just that the comparison with Meyer is completely invalid.

 

Also, Zook was the sacrificial lamb for a legend. Whoever followed Spurrier had to be just as successful or he would have been fired. That's how it goes following a legend, fair or not.

 

Are you trying to say that Bob Davie isnt a legend?

 

No, he's trying to say that George O'Leary isn't a legend.

 

:lol: I keep forgetting O'Leary was their coach for a couple days or so.

[snoodmonger]

What happened to O'Leary? Is he a coordinator somewhere?

[Flames24Rulz]

What happened to O'Leary? Is he a coordinator somewhere?

 

Head coach at UCF.

[Guest]

What is Rick Brooks' contract situation out at Kentucy? He used to be an assistant under Donahue at UCLA and the Bruins seem interested in him.

 

Personally, I like Paul Johnson (Navy) but I don't think he wants to leave and not for UCLA.

[Andy]

Florida has been good since Urban Meyer took over and they never had a good year under Zook. Keep in mind, they won a national championship under Meyer. Weis has, granted, had less talent but hasn't won even a BCS bowl game. I'm not supporting Weis being fired, just that the comparison with Meyer is completely invalid.

With Tim Tebow, Percy Harvin and Zook's players. I feel obligated to bring this up anytime Meyer's title is mentioned since Weis has been absolutely roasted for only winning with Ty's players (ignoring that a good portion of the ND depth chart is still Ty's, would be more if he'd bothered recruiting for his last two offseasons).

 

Speaking of, Ty's only good season at ND's helm came with Bob Davie's players, yet another thing that is conveniently ignored when this discussion comes up.

 

I'm not trying to say Weis deserves outlandish praise or anything of the sort. I'm just saying anyone who says ND is hypocritical for firing Ty and keeping Weis is ignoring about a hundred other facts.

[dew1679666265]

What is Rick Brooks' contract situation out at Kentucy? He used to be an assistant under Donahue at UCLA and the Bruins seem interested in him.

 

Personally, I like Paul Johnson (Navy) but I don't think he wants to leave and not for UCLA.

 

Coming into this season, he was in the final year of his deal. I don't remember hearing that they extended him yet, but I have to believe it's either happened or will happen. They haven't been this good since the Tim Couch era.

[dew1679666265]

Florida has been good since Urban Meyer took over and they never had a good year under Zook. Keep in mind, they won a national championship under Meyer. Weis has, granted, had less talent but hasn't won even a BCS bowl game. I'm not supporting Weis being fired, just that the comparison with Meyer is completely invalid.

With Tim Tebow, Percy Harvin and Zook's players. I feel obligated to bring this up anytime Meyer's title is mentioned since Weis has been absolutely roasted for only winning with Ty's players (ignoring that a good portion of the ND depth chart is still Ty's, would be more if he'd bothered recruiting for his last two offseasons).

 

Speaking of, Ty's only good season at ND's helm came with Bob Davie's players, yet another thing that is conveniently ignored when this discussion comes up.

 

I'm not trying to say Weis deserves outlandish praise or anything of the sort. I'm just saying anyone who says ND is hypocritical for firing Ty and keeping Weis is ignoring about a hundred other facts.

 

I agree that Weis shouldn't be fired. I'm not convinced Ty should have been fired yet - I think he should have been given another year - and I don't think Weis deserves to get canned.

 

My main point was that the comparison to Urban Meyer is invalid. Meyer's recruits have also been very good players for the most part, Florida has yet to have a truly bad season - this year's three losses is their worst under Meyer. You mentioned he won the title with mostly Zook's players and that's true, but I guarantee you they don't sniff a national title without Tim Tebow - a Meyer recruit.

[Guest]

What is Rick Brooks' contract situation out at Kentucy? He used to be an assistant under Donahue at UCLA and the Bruins seem interested in him.

 

Personally, I like Paul Johnson (Navy) but I don't think he wants to leave and not for UCLA.

 

Coming into this season, he was in the final year of his deal. I don't remember hearing that they extended him yet, but I have to believe it's either happened or will happen. They haven't been this good since the Tim Couch era.

 

Thanks. I know Ping is down on Brooks but for him to have the level of success he's had at UK while competing with the SEC heavyweights is something.

[dew1679666265]

What is Rick Brooks' contract situation out at Kentucy? He used to be an assistant under Donahue at UCLA and the Bruins seem interested in him.

 

Personally, I like Paul Johnson (Navy) but I don't think he wants to leave and not for UCLA.

 

Coming into this season, he was in the final year of his deal. I don't remember hearing that they extended him yet, but I have to believe it's either happened or will happen. They haven't been this good since the Tim Couch era.

 

Thanks. I know Ping is down on Brooks but for him to have the level of success he's had at UK while competing with the SEC heavyweights is something.

 

I was never crazy about Brooks, but he's done a terrific job this year. The true test for him will be next season, though, when he doesn't have such a senior-laden team. UK loses Woodson, Jacob Tamme, Keenan Burton, Rafael Little (I think) and Wesley Woodyard to graduation after this year.

 

Not sure who's in the hopper to replace Woodson at QB, but whoever it is Randy Sanders will have to work wonders to get him to play nearly as well as Woodson has this season.

[NCCubFan]

Hey guys, Illinois won yesterday.

Really? I hadn't heard that. :wink:

[TruffleShuffle]

TruffleShuffle's Top 10:

 

1. Oregon

2. LSU

3. Oklahoma

4. Mizzou

5. West Virginia

6. Kansas

7. Ohio State

8. Georgia

9. Arizona State

10. USC

[CuseCubFan69]

TruffleShuffle's Top 10:

 

1. Oregon

2. LSU

3. Oklahoma

4. Mizzou

5. West Virginia

6. Kansas

7. Ohio State

8. Georgia

9. Arizona State

10. USC

 

Looking at that if ever there was a need for a playoff this year would be it.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

so since Iowa beat Illinois and Illinois beat tO$U, that means Iowa's better than tO$U right? why the hell aren't we in the BCS standings???

[cubweiser03]

Anyone have any thoughts on some of the coaching candidates who might be available this offseason?

 

If Tennessee loses out, Phil Fulmer may be looking for another job. And if Fulmer is, David Cutcliffe would also become available as well as John Chavis.

 

I doubt we lose out, though.

 

Wow....imagine Michigan, Tennessee, Nebraska and UCLA all looking for coaches. The coaching carousel could be crazy.

More than that. Possible openings:

 

Michigan

Tennessee

Nebraska

Texas A&M

Arkansas

UCLA

Pitt?

Arizona?

 

This guy needs to be fired. Dennis Franchione has had nationally respected recruiting classes and has underperfomed every single year. He doesnt need to leave the state for recruits either so its not like its hard to recruit kids to stay in Texas.

[Soul]

Florida has been good since Urban Meyer took over and they never had a good year under Zook. Keep in mind, they won a national championship under Meyer. Weis has, granted, had less talent but hasn't won even a BCS bowl game. I'm not supporting Weis being fired, just that the comparison with Meyer is completely invalid.

With Tim Tebow, Percy Harvin and Zook's players. I feel obligated to bring this up anytime Meyer's title is mentioned since Weis has been absolutely roasted for only winning with Ty's players (ignoring that a good portion of the ND depth chart is still Ty's, would be more if he'd bothered recruiting for his last two offseasons).

 

Speaking of, Ty's only good season at ND's helm came with Bob Davie's players, yet another thing that is conveniently ignored when this discussion comes up.

 

I'm not trying to say Weis deserves outlandish praise or anything of the sort. I'm just saying anyone who says ND is hypocritical for firing Ty and keeping Weis is ignoring about a hundred other facts.

 

I agree that Weis shouldn't be fired. I'm not convinced Ty should have been fired yet - I think he should have been given another year - and I don't think Weis deserves to get canned.

 

My main point was that the comparison to Urban Meyer is invalid. Meyer's recruits have also been very good players for the most part, Florida has yet to have a truly bad season - this year's three losses is their worst under Meyer. You mentioned he won the title with mostly Zook's players and that's true, but I guarantee you they don't sniff a national title without Tim Tebow - a Meyer recruit.

 

They probably fired Zook too soon strictly speaking, but honestly I'm not sure what they were supposed to do. The entire fan base + alumni were screaming at them to fire the guy. The campaign against Zook reached legendary status, I'm not sure there's ever been such a concerted effort to get a coach canned.

 

I view it as a situational thing. Zook wasn't right for Florida, the stakes are too high there from the outset and Zook is the kind of guy that needs to recruit his players, let them develop, and then hopefully win a few years down the line. That just wasn't going to fly in Florida, but a place like Illinois will allow that to happen since the Illini really couldn't have been any worse anyway.

 

And plus, if Zook can put in 3 loss seasons regularly @ IL he'll probably have a job forever. If Meyer continues to put in 3 loss seasons, he'll be canned too just like Zook. That right there illustrates how different the two situations are.

[CuseCubFan69]

Anyone have any thoughts on some of the coaching candidates who might be available this offseason?

 

If Tennessee loses out, Phil Fulmer may be looking for another job. And if Fulmer is, David Cutcliffe would also become available as well as John Chavis.

 

I doubt we lose out, though.

 

Wow....imagine Michigan, Tennessee, Nebraska and UCLA all looking for coaches. The coaching carousel could be crazy.

More than that. Possible openings:

 

Michigan

Tennessee

Nebraska

Texas A&M

Arkansas

UCLA

Pitt?

Arizona?

 

This guy needs to be fired. Dennis Franchione has had nationally respected recruiting classes and has underperfomed every single year. He doesnt need to leave the state for recruits either so its not like its hard to recruit kids to stay in Texas.

 

Wandstant and Turner (SD) went to the same school of coaching. Why either has a head coaching job is beyond me.

[Soul]

Anyone have any thoughts on some of the coaching candidates who might be available this offseason?

 

If Tennessee loses out, Phil Fulmer may be looking for another job. And if Fulmer is, David Cutcliffe would also become available as well as John Chavis.

 

I doubt we lose out, though.

 

Wow....imagine Michigan, Tennessee, Nebraska and UCLA all looking for coaches. The coaching carousel could be crazy.

More than that. Possible openings:

 

Michigan

Tennessee

Nebraska

Texas A&M

Arkansas

UCLA

Pitt?

Arizona?

 

This guy needs to be fired. Dennis Franchione has had nationally respected recruiting classes and has underperfomed every single year. He doesnt need to leave the state for recruits either so its not like its hard to recruit kids to stay in Texas.

 

Wandstant and Turner (SD) went to the same school of coaching. Why either has a head coaching job is beyond me.

 

On that we can agree. I think both are shining examples of what a Super Bowl ring can do for your career. I believe both got theirs as coordinators though; there's never been any evidence either guy is capable of effectively running a football team.

[CuseCubFan69]

Anyone have any thoughts on some of the coaching candidates who might be available this offseason?

 

If Tennessee loses out, Phil Fulmer may be looking for another job. And if Fulmer is, David Cutcliffe would also become available as well as John Chavis.

 

I doubt we lose out, though.

 

Wow....imagine Michigan, Tennessee, Nebraska and UCLA all looking for coaches. The coaching carousel could be crazy.

More than that. Possible openings:

 

Michigan

Tennessee

Nebraska

Texas A&M

Arkansas

UCLA

Pitt?

Arizona?

 

This guy needs to be fired. Dennis Franchione has had nationally respected recruiting classes and has underperfomed every single year. He doesnt need to leave the state for recruits either so its not like its hard to recruit kids to stay in Texas.

 

Wandstant and Turner (SD) went to the same school of coaching. Why either has a head coaching job is beyond me.

 

On that we can agree. I think both are shining examples of what a Super Bowl ring can do for your career. I believe both got theirs as coordinators though; there's never been any evidence either guy is capable of effectively running a football team.

 

They had all the Vikings picks for X amount of years and it would have been almost impossible to screw that up. Even Johnson never had success after leaving the Boys. Wandstant can actually recruit too and it still doesn't help.

[Soul]

It always helps when a team will take your one good player and trade you all of theirs in return \:D/

[CuseCubFan69]

It always helps when a team will take your one good player and trade you all of theirs in return \:D/

 

Indeed it does.

 

Hey Raisin, how about that coach from Hawaii?

[Exile on Waveland]

Florida has been good since Urban Meyer took over and they never had a good year under Zook. Keep in mind, they won a national championship under Meyer. Weis has, granted, had less talent but hasn't won even a BCS bowl game. I'm not supporting Weis being fired, just that the comparison with Meyer is completely invalid.

With Tim Tebow, Percy Harvin and Zook's players. I feel obligated to bring this up anytime Meyer's title is mentioned since Weis has been absolutely roasted for only winning with Ty's players (ignoring that a good portion of the ND depth chart is still Ty's, would be more if he'd bothered recruiting for his last two offseasons).

 

Speaking of, Ty's only good season at ND's helm came with Bob Davie's players, yet another thing that is conveniently ignored when this discussion comes up.

 

I'm not trying to say Weis deserves outlandish praise or anything of the sort. I'm just saying anyone who says ND is hypocritical for firing Ty and keeping Weis is ignoring about a hundred other facts.

 

I agree. Also, this is often ignored too: Super Ty at Washington: 2-9 (1-7), 5-7 (3-6), 3-7 (1-6). I know they were pretty bad when he took over, but the record certainly doesn't indicate much improvement.

 

*This is not a Notre Dame homer opinion. I hope ND starts every season 1-9 for the rest of eternity. I'd feel a lot more comfortable that they'd continue to stink if Ty was still there.

[Mephistopheles]

Florida is 7-3 against the best schedule in the nation. They ought to be in the top ten guys.