College Basketball 2007-2008

[illiniguy]

 

With the comment about his percentage rising, that was more about the injury. His 3 point percentage has plummeted since he re-hurt his wrist a month ago. He's 10 for his last 50 after being at 41.1 percent on February 10th.

 

i do know that gordon has one of the quickest, prettiest, most fundamentally sound releases in the game and will instantly be a 3-point killer in the NBA.

He needs to follow through more on his release to be fundamentally sound. He cuts it off pretty quick. That said it doesn't matter all that much. Reggie Miller had a terrible one and was pretty great. JJ Reddick might have the best I have seen and can't shoot at the NBA level.

[rawaction]

I kinda agree w/ Sully. There's really not much of a difference between Mayo and Gordon. They are very similar in size. I think Gordon's a little stronger (more bulk), and Mayo is a little longer (longer reach). I think they will be similar defensively. But I do think EJ has the edge in maturity. Despite Gordon's sometimes silly turnovers, his game right now transfers better to the NBA. Defense in the Big Ten is better than what he will face in the NBA for the most part. The fact that the NBA has bigger players will benefit EJ, because he has a great mid-range game. He had no need to break it out in college, because he could take it inside and finish strong or get to the line. Mayo hasn't shown that mid-range game, not even at the HS level. I do think Mayo is more likely to make his teammates better at the next level though. Mayo's more likely to find an open man while driving to the basket, whereas Gordon looks for his offense first. He doesn't necessarily handle the ball better, but he is a more dynamic ball handler. He's more likely to break a defenders ankles with the dribble, Gordon gets free by his quick first step (Mayo's first step ain't no joke either).

[Magnetic Curses]

 

With the comment about his percentage rising, that was more about the injury. His 3 point percentage has plummeted since he re-hurt his wrist a month ago. He's 10 for his last 50 after being at 41.1 percent on February 10th.

 

i do know that gordon has one of the quickest, prettiest, most fundamentally sound releases in the game and will instantly be a 3-point killer in the NBA.

He needs to follow through more on his release to be fundamentally sound. He cuts it off pretty quick. That said it doesn't matter all that much. Reggie Miller had a terrible one and was pretty great. JJ Reddick might have the best I have seen and can't shoot at the NBA level.

 

i think that's the best part about his shot, it's short. i think it works to his advantage, and it woouldn't be the same shot if he altered the follow-through.

[illiniguy]

 

With the comment about his percentage rising, that was more about the injury. His 3 point percentage has plummeted since he re-hurt his wrist a month ago. He's 10 for his last 50 after being at 41.1 percent on February 10th.

 

i do know that gordon has one of the quickest, prettiest, most fundamentally sound releases in the game and will instantly be a 3-point killer in the NBA.

He needs to follow through more on his release to be fundamentally sound. He cuts it off pretty quick. That said it doesn't matter all that much. Reggie Miller had a terrible one and was pretty great. JJ Reddick might have the best I have seen and can't shoot at the NBA level.

 

i think that's the best part about his shot, it's short. i think it works to his advantage, and it woouldn't be the same shot if he altered the follow-through.

It makes it very quick, no doubt. But, whenever I have tried to shorten my release it causes me to lose control of the shot. He is much, much better than me so it doesn't matter. I do like his shot it is going to make him a ton of moeny. But, I also like Mayo's. I think that the Pac 10 with UCLA and WSU has some pretty good defense too.

[Exile on Waveland]

 

With the comment about his percentage rising, that was more about the injury. His 3 point percentage has plummeted since he re-hurt his wrist a month ago. He's 10 for his last 50 after being at 41.1 percent on February 10th.

 

i do know that gordon has one of the quickest, prettiest, most fundamentally sound releases in the game and will instantly be a 3-point killer in the NBA.

 

Gordon will immediately be one of the best 3-point shooters in the league. He's got an outstanding stroke that extends well beyond even the NBA 3-point line. It's a very high arching shot, which is good. However, his shots generally swish or hit the back rim. He hits a high percentage but doesn't get a ton of rolls (as opposed to his free throw stroke, which is favorable for rolls). As CCP said, his injury is almost certainly worse than believed and it's affected both his shooting and his ball-handling.

 

His first step is devastatingly quick and he's so strong that he rarely gets bumped off his path and can finish inside. From his high school days, he has a good mid-range game, despite not using it much at IU. He actually shows very good court vision as well; however, he doesn't pass with finesse. Every pass is a bullet which leads to more turnovers. He also has shown the ability to be a shut-down defensive player, even at the next level. He reaches and fouls too much defensively though; needs to play with his feet, not his hands.

 

His flaws start with his ball-handling (2.5 apg, 3.6 to's pg). Even with healthy two wrists, he's more of a two- or three-power-dribbles to the lane type. He isn't even close to dribbling like an NBA guard should, much less an NBA point. He travels a lot, but again, as CCP said, this won't be much of an issue in the NBA. He's also short for his game, but athleticism and strength will neutralize some of that. And, as I said previously, he hasn't improved this season. A little disconcerting. (Edit: Mayo, I believe, is a better player than he was at the beginning of the year. But Tim Floyd's a good coach, so that doesn't surprise me.)

 

In my opinion, he's not terribly similar to Mayo (much more comparable to Bayless). Mayo isn't near as good a shooter and also has a poor A/TO ratio (3.1-3.6). I also worry about Mayo's maturity and the fact he's more of a volume shooter. I still haven't seen anything to dispel my initial concerns that he'll be a 25-shot guy on bad NBA teams his entire career. I do believe Mayo has a couple inches on Gordon, though isn't quite as strong. Mayo's also a better play-maker at this point, but more indifferent on defense. Nor does he get to the line as much as Gordon (few guards do).

 

That was long, sorry. I prefer Gordon to Mayo, with Rose above all.

[hawkeyecub]

Huh, Gordon made first-team. How about that.

 

Anyway, I don't know what to think about the Big Ten Tournament -- probably that either all the favorites will win or it will be all upsets. I'm taking Indiana over Minnesota, but I'm not sure about that one at all. It's in Indy, so I'll go with that; though I wouldn't be surprised if IU has already won its last game. I'm also going to Friday's games, and hope not to see IU lose. I haven't been too impressed with Michigan State this year, but kind of expect them to put together a couple good games.

 

Michigan

Illinois

Minnesota

 

Wisconsin

Michigan State

Purdue

Indiana

 

Michigan State

Purdue

 

Purdue

Huh, Gordon still makes the same mistakes he did in high school and really didn't show any improvement under Sampson and has been passed on many people's draft boards by Rose and Bayliss. Huh. Huh, Sampson lasted all of a year and a half, but really it was just illini fans bitching about nothing, huh.

 

how about gordon's the best player in the big ten and deserves to be first team and poy? as much as i hate the kid, i cannot player hate.

 

He may be the best talent, but D.J. was the best (most productive at least) player in the league this year and was deserving of the award. He was extremely efficient and if he actually had guards that got him the ball consistently, they would have been even better.

[brinoch]

 

With the comment about his percentage rising, that was more about the injury. His 3 point percentage has plummeted since he re-hurt his wrist a month ago. He's 10 for his last 50 after being at 41.1 percent on February 10th.

 

i do know that gordon has one of the quickest, prettiest, most fundamentally sound releases in the game and will instantly be a 3-point killer in the NBA.

He needs to follow through more on his release to be fundamentally sound. He cuts it off pretty quick. That said it doesn't matter all that much. Reggie Miller had a terrible one and was pretty great. JJ Reddick might have the best I have seen and can't shoot at the NBA level.

 

I disagree. He should stick with what works.

 

Also, once the ball has left your hands, it's irrelevant what your follow through is like. It's all about the release (the literal release). All that coaching people give to kids is more or less about unconsciously releasing the ball properly.

[CubColtPacer]

Huh, Gordon made first-team. How about that.

 

Anyway, I don't know what to think about the Big Ten Tournament -- probably that either all the favorites will win or it will be all upsets. I'm taking Indiana over Minnesota, but I'm not sure about that one at all. It's in Indy, so I'll go with that; though I wouldn't be surprised if IU has already won its last game. I'm also going to Friday's games, and hope not to see IU lose. I haven't been too impressed with Michigan State this year, but kind of expect them to put together a couple good games.

 

Michigan

Illinois

Minnesota

 

Wisconsin

Michigan State

Purdue

Indiana

 

Michigan State

Purdue

 

Purdue

Huh, Gordon still makes the same mistakes he did in high school and really didn't show any improvement under Sampson and has been passed on many people's draft boards by Rose and Bayliss. Huh. Huh, Sampson lasted all of a year and a half, but really it was just illini fans bitching about nothing, huh.

 

how about gordon's the best player in the big ten and deserves to be first team and poy? as much as i hate the kid, i cannot player hate.

 

He may be the best talent, but D.J. was the best (most productive at least) player in the league this year and was deserving of the award. He was extremely efficient and if he actually had guards that got him the ball consistently, they would have been even better.

 

To be fair, he was partially extrememly efficient because they didn't get him the ball that much. D.J.'s not a great post up player. He'll make a good second post person in the NBA. He can rebound well, he shoots the jumper well. Playing back to the basket is not his game, and passing out of doubleteams isn't either. It usually resulted in bad things for IU when they tried to run the offense through him. At the same time, he's unbelievably valuable to have on the floor.

[shnsajax]

Texas got a commitment from the #5 Soph in the Country. 2010-11 might be a good season :-k .

 

Seriously whats the point of getting a 15 year old to commit. Thats two more years wondering if he will pull an Eric Gordan.

[Guest]

I'm guessing I've seen OJ Mayo this season more than most of you and you guys severely underrate his defense. I would take Gordon over Mayo in the NBA but it's really close. I'd definitely take Rose (and Bayless) over both.

[illiniguy]

I'm guessing I've seen OJ Mayo this season more than most of you and you guys severely underrate his defense. I would take Gordon over Mayo in the NBA but it's really close. I'd definitely take Rose (and Bayless) over both.

Nah the cool thing to do is just blast whatever I say. I have watched Mayo a ton this year too. I work overnights. Thus when I am off I am up when they are on. He can guard. I think he is going to be a much better pro than most people think.

[NCCubFan]

Ball State's pathetic season is mercifully put to sleep by Eastern Michigan, 59-55.

[rawaction]

I'm guessing I've seen OJ Mayo this season more than most of you and you guys severely underrate his defense. I would take Gordon over Mayo in the NBA but it's really close. I'd definitely take Rose (and Bayless) over both.

Nah the cool thing to do is just blast whatever I say. I have watched Mayo a ton this year too. I work overnights. Thus when I am off I am up when they are on. He can guard. I think he is going to be a much better pro than most people think.

 

There's not much difference between Mayo and Gordon defensively. They are both gonna be great on the ball defenders at the next level. Mayo has quicker hands and will get more steals though.

[Derwood]

i might like PSU's chances today if they hadn't already beat Illinois twice. I know it's weird, backwards sports logic, but it really is hard to beat the same team 3 times in the same season if one isn't significantly better than the other. PSU's only chance is to keep it close and watch the Illini brick free throws

[bukie]

i might like PSU's chances today if they hadn't already beat Illinois twice. I know it's weird, backwards sports logic, but it really is hard to beat the same team 3 times in the same season if one isn't significantly better than the other. PSU's only chance is to keep it close and watch the Illini brick free throws

 

Works more often than not.

[SouthSideRyan]

PSU's best chance is to be losing at the half.

[illiniguy]

I really want to see DMac play well. He is something like 4 for his last 24 from the field.

[Derwood]

in game one of the B10 tourney, Michigan is beating Iowa soundly

[bukie]

Michigan beat Iowa 55-47. Ugly offenses in the second half.

[illiniguy]

Hibbert didn't score against Villanova. Is there any doubt this guy is who Paxson picks in the draft?

[Derwood]

Hibbert didn't score against Villanova. Is there any doubt this guy is who Paxson picks in the draft?

 

only if Hansborough isn't available

[TruffleShuffle]

Michigan beat Iowa 55-47. Ugly offenses in the second half.

 

psu-illinois score might be lower than that... bring on the big ten brickfest.

[illiniguy]

Hibbert didn't score against Villanova. Is there any doubt this guy is who Paxson picks in the draft?

 

only if Hansborough isn't available

Nah he will be back for his senior year. We will draft Psycho T that next year.

[bukie]

Michigan went scoreless for over 10 minutes in the second half, during which Iowa scored...5 points.

[Flames24Rulz]

Michigan beat Iowa 55-47. Ugly offenses in the second half.

 

psu-illinois score might be lower than that... bring on the big ten brickfest.

 

Not sure why that Iowa-Michigan score was surprising. Both teams are pretty bad.

 

Like you said, this game won't be much better. In fact, it has a good chance to be even worse.